By Sam on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 08:11 pm: Edit

Which year and model Disco is overall the best? I want the year with the "good" tranny and the valves that dont foul ( 1996 right?)and the less ACE or ABS the better, I think I have to get ABS. Now that you have yours if you had to buy over would you get the same one??? Help me narrow my search please.

By Magnus on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 09:27 pm: Edit

That's a loaded question....... I plead the fifth.

By Jake on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 09:32 pm: Edit

94 is a great year...real distributor, less electric crap. main point is to get one that has been maintained and driven.....

Jake
94 DI with 233k

By p m on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 09:48 pm: Edit

96

(just to fuel a flame war)

By JC on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 09:53 pm: Edit

Noooooooooo 95 is better

just watched Billy Madison

By cartner on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 12:08 am: Edit

Uh uh, 94 all the way...simpler and cheaper to get usually...plus I have one...

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 12:18 am: Edit

my vote goes to 97

By gp (Garrett) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 08:12 am: Edit

all the years suck except for 96's!!!!

By Jon Williams (Jonw) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 08:22 am: Edit

I'd say anything pre-Series II. At least you'll be able to control your diff lock. Personally, I'd stick with anything pre-'96; that way no GEMS to fool with and you can still use Buick 215 parts on your engine (yes, the 4.0-litre introduced in '96 is of a different block design).

By mike w on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 08:48 am: Edit

it is clear that if you don't own a 94 you are in serious need of help. heck if its not a 94 you might as well own a Xterra.hehehehehe

By ZPukajlo on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 10:10 am: Edit

The threads on this board usually say to get a '97 to a '99 D1. They have less problems. Get it in SD trim. My vote goes with Ho!

Zane

'97 D1 SD

By Chris Merritt (Smokinbro) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 10:12 am: Edit

'98

no other will do

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 10:15 am: Edit

'99 SD (i.e the last of the Series I Discos (and were actually built late '98))....




-L

By DiscoOn on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 11:03 am: Edit

Leslie, I agree. If you want a station wagon get a Series II, if you want a junker, get a pre96 mode, but if you want a true Disco... The 99 Disco I SD is the way to go.

By Discosaurus (Discosaurus) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 12:05 pm: Edit

The WORST years for reliability were 95 and early 96. After that BMW kicked some ass and cleaned things up a bit. BUT, if the truck has some decent miles on it, the reliability issues have probably all been worked out and you're free and clear - check the service record if you're buying used.

You're probably better off, overall, with the distributor-less GEMS 4.0L engine from 96 on.

The general buzz is a D1 is better for heavy off roading, although I have no first hand knowledge of any D2's engaged in serious action. For any other off road activities, they're probably both about the same.

keith
discosaurus

By Steve (Steve2) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 12:33 pm: Edit

same boat as my other brothers in arms - leslie and disco on.

the 99sd was the last of the best.

long live the 99 sd's!

steve the squirrel king

By Jon Williams (Jonw) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 12:40 pm: Edit

SD = Stripped-Down

...based on what I've seen

By Bill Bettridge (Billb) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 12:45 pm: Edit

Gee, and I always thought SE = sucker expense

just kiddin

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 12:54 pm: Edit

Heated leather seats in my '99SD.... Makes me happy on cold mornings!!!



-L

By Steve (Steve2) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 01:10 pm: Edit

hmm.. stripped down? it was more like we got all this stuff left over - let's load it up!

i got:
leather
power seats
heated seats
twin roofs
side moulding with wheel arches
jump seats
rear step
factory tinted glass

steve

By Kingfish (Kingfish) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 01:30 pm: Edit

If you want to be able to read your fault codes (as opposed to paying $$$ for a reader or going to the Stealer) get a 94 or 95, OBD-I. You can save yourself a lot of $$$ by pulling your codes and fixing the problems yourself. I have a 95 and am amazed at how reliable it has been since I got it. Only 3 minor problems over the last 30k miles. I am now at 115k miles and getting 16 mpg, runs like a champ.

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 02:09 pm: Edit

Get cable from http://www.obd-2.com, plug it into your laptop, and you've got all the info you want....

-L

By p m on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 02:27 pm: Edit

John W,

where did you get the info that the 4.0 has a different (from 3.9) block? I believe it's the first time i ever hear about it.

About GEMS and OBD-2 - while the old engine management and sensors seems to be simpler, there is no tool like what obd-2.com makes. Piece of cake, the simplest (to install and use) and most elaborate (in information and layout) diagnostic tool ever.

Every time my Lucas-13'ed rangie flashes its CE or EFI lights, i start guessin what's up. With the 96+ GEMS, plug the cable, fire up the laptop, and you have the complete breakdown. (save for parts price list

peter

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 02:32 pm: Edit

There were some changes between the 3.9/4.2 and 4.0/4.6, but they're not THAT different... lost the dizzy, but actually a lot of things will still interchange....

Peter pegged it...

-L

By p m on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 02:37 pm: Edit

i believe the block's the same. at least, they have exactly the same displacement, 3947cc.

peter

By Milan on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 02:41 pm: Edit

Every time my Lucas-13'ed rangie flashes its CE or EFI lights, i start guessin what's up. With the 96+ GEMS, plug the cable, fire up the laptop, and you have the complete breakdown. (save for parts price list

pm,
Is this not true only if you do get a code to read? My stupid Gems gives me trouble and the dealer can't find anything as by the time they get it it runs fine and there are no codes to read. Would the OBD-II tool help me at the moment when it stalls? I would hope so. Where can I get one?

As to the engines, I too believe the blocks are the same and this is the first time I've heard there might be differences. I'd like more info if possible.

By p m on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 02:51 pm: Edit

Milan,

go to http://www.obd-2.com, $122 or so.
It will do the instant diagnostics for you, log the data, provide real-time display of what's going on with your GEMS, etc. You need a computer to run the software and to talk to the ECU, laptop comes handy 'cause you do the diagnostics while driving the disco.

peter

By ZPukajlo on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 03:25 pm: Edit

Okay guys correct me if I am wrong. I believe the 4.0 is like the 4.6 in that it is cross-bolted. The 3.9/4.2 are different in that they aren't. A very slight difference between the two.

Zane

By Jon Williams (Jonw) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 03:25 pm: Edit

The 4.0-litre introduced in '96 was a completely redesigned engine. Overall the block is about 75 cm shorter than the 3.9, and it also featured different cylinder liners and different internal block structure. It used different pistons and a different crank, but kept the same heads as the 3.9 and used the same intake. Thery're not ground-breaking differences (both engines even have the same power output) but it's significant enough that many parts are not interchangeble between the two engines. It's also why you won't find any info on the 4.0 in your Discovery Haynes Manual. And that's also why the 4.2 in the Rangie is different than the 4.0/4.6.

Anyway, I found all this out back in 1995 from booklets and brochures published when Land Rover was developing what they called the "Romulus" engine ("Remus" was the Rangie's 4.0/4.6). They were quite proud of it, since it was "their" engine and not a carryover of the old "Jay" engine, which was, of course, derivitive of the Buick 215.

By Milan on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 03:42 pm: Edit

Thanks peter.

By p m on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 03:55 pm: Edit

interesting... wonder how could they make a block 75 (i guess) millimeters shorter and retain the same heads? time to look under the hoods of the disco and rangie and compare.

peter

By Jon Williams (Jonw) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 04:29 pm: Edit

Millimeters, yes. Sorry

By Milan on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 05:21 pm: Edit

Yeah, I'd like to know where that shorter lenght comes from. Not only do the heads fit but so does the cam (or I'll find out soon enough that it does not). Man I wish I new all this before I bought the 96. I probably would have gone for a 94.

By p m on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 06:32 pm: Edit

take it easy, Milan, there ain't nothing wrong with a 96.

electricals crap out all the same, regardless of the year.

peter

By John Lee on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 07:46 pm: Edit

I like the early 97's the best. 4.0 over 3.9. The 97's had the clear windows, which I much prefer to the tinted windows. And they had the radio antennae inside the rear windows, which is another feature I like. AFAIK, all of the 98's had the tinted windows. I'm not sure, but I believe the 97 SE and 98 LE are identical.

I did see some 99 Disco I SD's with clear windows. Those are nice too, and they were a bargain. A local dealer was selling some demonstration models with less than 3,000 miles on the odo for $22k.

By Axel Haakonsen (Axel) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 08:35 pm: Edit

I second that

By Milan on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 09:18 pm: Edit

Oh, I love mine. It's just that on mine it's the Gems that's screwed up in addition to other little electrical quirks. I can live with funny blinkers, non-working sunroof, stiff non-responsive PS mirror, intermittent heat blower and funky central locking remote but I cannot and will not drive a car that decides to quite every now and then.

I'm really making it sound worse than it is. The roof and mirror are mechanical problems. The remote probably needs a new battery. The fan and blinkers could be loose connections but who knows. The engine management system on the other hand will have to go.

By Reid P. Walkenhorst (Runningmule) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 09:37 pm: Edit

Sam,
I'm no expert by any means, but I can tell you my experience with my 2000 DII has been great, on and off road. A few mod's including OME suspension, 265/75/16 mud terrains, and a homemade CDL have really made a great ride for the moderate off-roading I do. I plan to continue upgrading the rover for more serious off-road use, but in all honesty I've had nothing but a positive experience from day one.

RPW

By Mike D1 on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 12:08 am: Edit

I have posted this many times, the first year BMW had input on the Disco was 1997. They made some engine and other important changes. The DII is wider, longer, heavier. Not quite as good on narrow rough trails. I did a lot of research before I bought my 97 lease return and turned it into an off road toy.


Good Luck

By Jon Williams (Jonw) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 07:41 am: Edit

Since what I stated yesterday about the 4.0-litre V8 was pulled from the deep, dark reaches of the back of my brain, I wanted to make sure I got everything right since several of you had never known the 4.0-liter was a different engine. So I went home and rummaged through my old magazines and found a June 1995 edition of "Automotive Engineering International" magazine that had an article about Land Rover's placement of the 4.0-liter in the Discovery.

Correction: the 4.0-liter was not known as the "Romulus" engine. That was, in fact, the design name of the Discovery platform from '94-'98. The engine was known as the RV8. It was developed for the Range Rover for '94, sharing its design with the Rangie's 4.6, and found its way into NAS Discoverys for '96. Somehow Land Rover considered it a cost savings, but the big advantage of that engine was the distributorless ignigtion, a new fuel injection system co-developed by Bosch and Segam Lucas, and other engine management sensors that helped the engine run smoother and get a mpg better gas mileage. Everything else mechanical about the engine I said was correct. And this engine was never placed in Discoverys in other markets (which would explain it not being in the Haynes manual; I had not recalled this NAS-unique fact). So hopefully that clears everything up. And of course, the RV8 preceeded the "Thor" V8, which was developed for the Disco 2

By cartner on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 10:10 am: Edit

Just avoid all the complications and go with the '94. White IS a good colour...probably the best...

By Ron on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 10:31 am: Edit

It's also why you won't
find any info on the 4.0 in your Discovery Haynes Manual.

Ah non NAS discos kept the 3.9 until the disco II.

Thats why.

Milan. I am pretty sure you have to swap the cam or make a spacer

Ron

By mike w on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 11:00 am: Edit

yea what cartner said!

By Milan on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 11:23 am: Edit

Ron,
Yup. I can get RPI's RP4 piper cam or get one made by Crane. So I might as well put in an RV type cam as part of the conversion. I guess this spacer you're talking about would have to make up some of that length difference.

I found pretty much everything but the timing cover and gasket locally. So I do have a plan on how to convert it but I will have to wait what happens with the warranty first (1 more year) and I guess I'll start gathering parts soon. But if it leaves me stranded one more time, the dealer will have to do something or it's getting converted right away.

I priced it out at about $2000 CDN which is a lot of dough for silly conversion but I figure it's still way cheaper and simpler than dropping in a 302/355 aluminum Ford. Although this one would give me better power for sure.

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 01:01 pm: Edit

white IS the best color. indeed.

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 01:02 pm: Edit

damn, i forgot... white is best only after the green... as previously mentioned in other post. LOL

By Milan on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 01:20 pm: Edit

...and the best green is the Willow green. Did you forget that too, Ho?

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 01:40 pm: Edit

yes, willow... hehehe, or was it coniston...
LOL

By Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 01:41 pm: Edit

Epsom.

But I'd like BRG, too...




-L

By p m on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 01:42 pm: Edit

white hands down.
i start to like chamonix white better than alpine white, why would that be?

a little coat of dust will turn alpine into chamonix, though, an easy fix.

peter

By Brian Fransson (Brian) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 01:42 pm: Edit

no..no..no...Epsom Green!

By p m on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 01:52 pm: Edit

yeah... as a primer... and then - WHITE!

By C. Ross on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 01:53 pm: Edit

Woodcote green is my favorite. I think it is only on the 98+ and it may only be on the anniversary editions. I've owned White 94, Black 96, BRG 97, Rioja 97 and White 98 again. I want the Woodcote though. I bought the 98 as a little fixer-upper 2 years ago and it still isn't repaired.

Ross
97 D1 British Racing Green
97 D1 Rioja "For Sale"
98 D1 White...might change to Woodcote
94 D90 Beluga Black "For Sale"

By Brian Jackson (Nerover) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 04:20 pm: Edit

Carrigada Green 94 0r 95 DI...hands down the best and easiest to work on. You can get them really cheap and will go forever if they are maintained properly.

Check Kristian Meyers (95) or Brian Jackson (94) galleries...

Or, buy the Moab video from the "Store" section and see 94, 95, 96, 97 amd 99...plus a 99 or 00 DII in action...all different colors too!

Brian

By cartner on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 05:42 pm: Edit

I say go with white, that way, when you take pictures after offroading, you can tell without bias where you went based on the colour of the mud. It'll be GREAT!

By Brian Jackson (Nerover) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 05:56 pm: Edit

But Cartner,

The best mud is the Himalayan White Cat shit, which of coures is whaleshit that's white, so then it shows up best on black or green!

Brian

By Milan on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 06:21 pm: Edit

White makes a great tree-paint so you can see which spots to avoid when your Willow green is about to kiss the same spot. Besides, we don't use white here much as it would be hard to find your Disco in the snow.

By D Cantrell (Discodad) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 07:18 pm: Edit

White is good it shows all the rust, But real men go for the British Green or a close second Epsom

A far as which model, They all have there Quirks.

This is my third LR current one is a 97 Disco SD so I guess I am addicted or cursed. On thing I learned don't buy one built on a Friday, Or a so-called great deal on a High miler from a car dealer. Find a pampered one then use it or abuse it to your liking.

Happy Holidays
Disco Dad

By Milan on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 07:22 pm: Edit

I thought I found a pampered one. It turns out it was not driven much because it's a lemon.

By D Cantrell (Discodad) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 07:32 pm: Edit

Was it yellow, HeHeHe.

By cartner on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 07:35 pm: Edit

how do you know it was built on a friday?
(I'm 95% sure this is a setup)

By p m on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 07:49 pm: Edit

Dee, ask Ho about a lemon.

also, real men drive series trucks!

peter

By Milan on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 09:18 pm: Edit

LOL D, no it was not but owning it sure tastes like one.

Hey peter, real men drive Jeeps. The Discos are for women. LOL. If only we could find a good series LR here. They're all so rusty. The ones that are not would be a shame to beat up in the bush. I've seen a pristine Series II done in baige color. I don't like baige (khaki is much better) but this one looks tops.

By p m on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 09:27 pm: Edit

i like series in guacamole color (dunno the official lr name for it), with white tropical roof. but beige will do! i even know where one is...

peter

By D Cantrell (Discodad) on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 11:37 pm: Edit

HO explain your Lemmon woes.

True Real Men do drive SIII, So to redeem my manly hood

This spring I hope to bring a SIII Ex MOD 109 soft top, Home from vacation in the UK.

Chris if your out there do you have any of those 109 left?

Rangies and Discos are cool but SIII are to fun

Disco Dad

By p m on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:29 pm: Edit

naw, i don't think he has any woes, just the color.

Dee, i test-drove a '62 109 SIIA in la jolla - that was a delight. in three blocks, it finally gained some speed, and i decided that i can put up with the pace without having to go through an anger management class. At this moment, i was getting close to intersection with LJ boulevard (in the middle of a day). In a few milliseconds, i started seriously worrying about the seat mounts' structural integrity. The sucker just wouldn't even slow down! I ended up five feet into the right lane of traffic when it finally came to rest.
A week later i bought the big jeep.

the sad reality is that it is a royal PITA to drive a 40-years old truck in today's traffic. A real man's work... or you have to modify the truck to where only the body will be left.

peter

By Jon Williams (Jonw) on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:44 pm: Edit

LOL Try driving one with the 2.25L diesel, like my '67 SIIa 109 wagon, which has even LESS power than the gas version of that engine. "Merging" onto the interstate is not quite the word...

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:48 pm: Edit

lemon? i drive one everyday! LOL

about what real man drive... hehehe... real man drive whatever he wants, and dont' give a crap about what others say.

SIII? hehehe, hunk of shit that needs so much love and care... it's worse than getting a lover.

but then, that's relative.

By p m on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 01:01 pm: Edit

lemon? i drive one everyday! LOL - just call it Chickety!

about what a real man drives.... sometimes i wish i were driving a Tatra 813 in traffic... no problem with lane changes

SIII? do you think a D110 is much different?

peter

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 01:29 pm: Edit

chickety ...

110? it's another hunk of shit.

By p m on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 01:58 pm: Edit

how about a 90?

peter

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 02:10 pm: Edit

By Roverine on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 02:26 pm: Edit

"If you want a station wagon get a Series II, ..."

Hey!!! lol, Wait a minute, I resemble that remark! ...

(drawing from 3rd graders when I recently volunteered to drive them on a field trip - at least they thought I had the coolest "car")


...this is also "Mrs. Sikes" ...



"Mrs. Sikes"

By p m on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 02:43 pm: Edit

Ho - LOL

Kim - awesome!

By Roverine on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 03:24 pm: Edit

lol, not quite sure "awsome" would be the word ...

Kim

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 06:17 pm: Edit

no, it is awsome..

that art work is almost text book "kid" i love the fact it was drawn in pen or something and then retraced in marker.. andy warhold couldn't hove done a better job

BTW, my Grandmother call the disco a "van"

-thanksgiving:

robby can you take me home in your van? i just love the view.

no joke
rd

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 07:31 pm: Edit

kim, when you gonna put some bigger tires on that "van"?
LOL

By p m on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 07:44 pm: Edit

as opposed to ML minivan?

peter

By D Cantrell (Discodad) on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 07:49 pm: Edit

PM

The 109 will not be street driven only a trailer vehicle. CARB will not have a say on this one over 30 years old. The total build up from Bone Yards ECOLOGY will assist. I have my eye on a 351C
It will be more ford Bronco ( Old stuff not Bronco II) than LR No over price stuff on this toy. Funny how a II after a solid vehicle run screws it up.

They let you cruise La Jolla in a old beater. I thought the SDPD frowned upon that?

By p m on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 08:01 pm: Edit

hehehe, it didn't look like a beater. that nice quacamole green in color... nice coat of oil underneath...

if i were to build a 109, i'd put a 4.3l Vortec in it.

peter

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 08:13 pm: Edit

hey peter, ML got 265/70-16. no trimming, no rubbing. considering it's a minivan, those are pretty big tires. LOL

By p m on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 08:31 pm: Edit

yeah yeah yeah...

i wanted to take a picture for ya, but some jerk was honking behind - three black ML320s in a row at my kids' school parking lot.

it must be getting harder to find your car on a supermarket parking?

now i think that the best minivan is a range rover...

peter

By D Cantrell (Discodad) on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 09:41 pm: Edit

PM,

Good idea a 4.3l Vortec, I see them now and then in the auto trader. But I think I am going for a
351c, Ill be keeping my eyes out for parts soon

Time to start collecting for the next project; don�t tell the wife she thinks she will have the garage back soon. HeHe

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 12:01 am: Edit

actually, range rover is another great minivan.
although yours dont' look like no minivan.
now, don't you think a silver ML is even harder to spot in the mall parking structure? LOL

By Ho Chung (Ho) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 12:03 am: Edit

D, dont' go there. dont' cheat on your disco.

By Roverine on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 04:10 pm: Edit

"kim, when you gonna put some bigger tires on that "van"?
LOL "

lol, I know, I know, ... they're 255/70/16's, and when we change the springs, it'll look a little goofy ... I was just thinking, (pretending I had the cash at this very moment, hahahaha) if I put on 4 new tires this month, that would bring our total of new tires since March (counting the new stocks on it when we bought it) up to 13 ... actually 14, if I count the POS that "Ed" blew on with ether & matches over at "Ed's Trees, Tires, and Snake Venom" in middle of nowhere, Octillo Wells (that POS junkyard tire got us home at least, lol)

heh heh heh, but you make a good point ....
Kim

By D Cantrell (Discodad) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 12:08 am: Edit

Ho,

The Disco is cool for now, No cheating only lusting. Can that get you into trouble?

I would like to do a Fast Hot Rod some day, and then my Wife will really see a money pit,

My vote goes for a 97, Good both on and off, why because I own one. I looked at a used DII it was nice but the dealer wanted 10K more than the 97.

DD

By Kyle on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 12:03 pm: Edit

The Clevland is a bad choice Discodad. The windsor is a much better choice for a 4x4...


Kyle

By Brian Jackson (Nerover) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 12:47 pm: Edit

Kyle and DiscoDad,

Where did you get a 351 Cleveland? Aren't they pretty rare and all gobbled up by the Stang lovers? The Windsor was the one with big production #s, right?

Brian

By Kyle on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 09:45 pm: Edit

Naaa , many many Cleveland motors out there. The "CJ" Cleve with the four bolt mains was pretty rare but plenty of the others around. The two and four barrel motors came in all kindsa crap...

Kyle

By Brian Jackson (Nerover) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 11:38 pm: Edit

Oh, I thought they were rare for some reason...hmm. What kinda numbers can you tweek from one of them? (You personally, since you've done alot of drag racing/hot-rodding)
Alot? Pretty powerful motor?

Brian

By D Cantrell (Discodad) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 11:57 pm: Edit

The 351C was a favorite, yes ex stang lover. A 351C has more power than a Series could ever use.
Sort of like showing up for a duck hunt with a
20MM cannon.
But a Ford buildup might be fun. You are right the C's are getting hard to find. i might have to buy a POS stang for the Iron.

By Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 12:25 am: Edit

I KNOW A DOOD THAT HAS A BRONCO WITH A cleveland