By JCC on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 06:15 pm: Edit

How much money is involved in creating something like ECR's DISCOTECH!!!! That is gonna be one hell of a Discovery! Just curious to see!

Justin

By D Cantrell (Discodad) on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 07:52 pm: Edit

Cheeper to buy a Hummvee

By JCC on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 09:56 pm: Edit

thats what I figured!!!

By Redsrover (Redsrover) on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 10:23 pm: Edit

I don't know about price but they ruined it for me with that stupid looking spoiler in the back. I suppose louvers, curb feelers, and some "trick" neon lighting underneath are next...

Red

By D Cantrell (Discodad) on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 10:36 pm: Edit

1996 NAS Discovery
300 Tdi (turbo diesel) engine (no EFI computers, no sensors!) For more Tdi info. go here!
R380 5 speed gearbox
LT230 full time 4x4 transfer case 1.22 ratio
Safari Gard Stage II suspension (with Fox racing shocks and all the tricks)
Safari Gard Front bumper with skid plate
Warn 9000 winch
Safari Gard wrap around rear bumper with fuel tank skid plate
Ashcroft Underdrive, giving 114:1 low range, and dual low range even with the stock 3.54 gearing!
ECR ROX Disco wheel flares
ECR ROX Disco rear spoiler
HD steel wheels
Good-Year MT radials
Safety Devices full roof rack and rear ladder

Plus all the ECR ROX upgrades:
Steering stabilizer relocation kit
Full tie rod guard
Front and rear differential guards
ECR ROX sliders

Got to come in around 15K Plus cost of Disco 12K more

By D Cantrell (Discodad) on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 10:38 pm: Edit

OH the spoilers and Neon 2K more

By JCC on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 11:03 am: Edit

hahaha...I dont like the spoiler either! I would rather spend my money on something thats useful rather than something for looks!!!! They might add some hydraulics like those gangster cars!!!

Justin

By Kyle on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 12:40 pm: Edit

It already has some nice hacking and those flares , it may as well have the spoiler...

Kyle

By Roverenvy on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 01:56 pm: Edit

My guess would be 30-40k . TDi conversion alone for RR or Disco 20-25k + 2- 4k for $G stage 2 . Also all the body work 3-5k and ashcroft underdrive and all the other misc items . Let's start a pool my guess is $38,795.09 anybody in $5 a guess .

By Rick on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 03:49 pm: Edit

I dont much care for the need to quickly crap on something thats different. There are alot of people who talk 4 wheelin at this site, and some that actually do alot. But I know NONE of you comes anywhere near the amount of offroad driving, testing gear and generally 'walkin the walk' as Mike @ ECR. So just keep it in mind all you weekend Camel wannabes because there isnt very many of you that can go down the same trails as Mike, without heaps of damage to your wifes ride. You need to take a step back and look at some of the other vehicles they have built, and what they do. They know what works, what breaks, what lasts, as theyve broken alot of gear. Call em and ask. They're givin Rovers a good name and reputation at that shop. You cant afford it? Neither can I, but I have known them @ ECR for years, and they do top shelf work. I wouldnt put that ugly spoiler on my 95 either, But the diesel and the body/rust work are on my list. The TDI Kicks butt. Keep it positive, and read the entire article, not just the list above, its taken out of context. Sorry fellas, I disagree, and I say ECR does not deserve bad ink.
Rick C.

By Roverenvy on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 06:22 pm: Edit

I was not knocking ECR , yes there work is top notch . But "25K" for a TDi conversion is an actual estimate by ECR . How can that be "giving Rovers a good name " , the stigma that we have is of rich boys and girls that way over pay for their furren junk . So paying 3-5 times what something actually costs makes us look good? I have had work done by ECR and would love a diesel conversion but an anemic turbo 4 cyl that costs more than twice what I paid for my rig. Not this Rockefeller no sir .

By Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 06:46 pm: Edit

I mean look at how much work they have to do to that truck and all I think its not so bad I mean how much would you charge to do all that to a truck? I think that is resonable if you reallly have to do all they do to a truck..

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 08:08 pm: Edit

Yes, they do lots of the little things too. Not only would you get the TDI engine installed but, they also change out the dash instruments to the correct TDI one. That's what make a quality install. Yes they do great work, but, at 25 grand I won't be getting a 300 TDI any time soon that's for sure.

By Brian Jackson (Nerover) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 08:12 pm: Edit

They do great work, and if anybody was a real competitor to them, then prices would fall. Is anybody else up to their level? Not IMO, so let em charge whatever they want!

Brian
-who likes ECR and Discotech

By Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 08:19 pm: Edit

I think ECR and the projects they do are awesome..if I had money I would send them my truck I think they are the best in the bussiness

By D Cantrell (Discodad) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 10:28 pm: Edit

Rick,

Where do get off with your stereotypical generalizations. Its arrogant attitudes like yours that take the fun out of this SPORT,
And this Board, $ whelling is PLAY. Stop taking it and yourself so serious.

I am new to this board and most of the discussions I have found very enlightening and informative. I have also met some interesting folks on this site. Hi PM

I am looking forward to trail riding and sharing the experience. I have no desire to be a Camel Trophy wannabee ((Can’t see myself driving a Freelander.)) but I can hold my own.

I meant no disrespect ECR or there Product. I have called ECR a few times, I think I have spoken with Mike, I have found there prices to be 30 % higher than most of the other sources I use (Shop around folks) but that was several years ago.

If the owner of this ECR creation wants to pay 35+K for a vehicle worth 15k tops. Go for it I love a free enterprise.

Also I don’t have to borrow the wife’s car she has her own.

By Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 10:55 pm: Edit

I secound that

By Ron on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 11:17 pm: Edit

Mike's rig is pretty slick but he does not drive it the way it should be driven. All the panels are still strait

There work is really nice but to me the guy who DIYs it and uses what he can afford gets more repect than the blank check to ECR guy.

My 2 cents.

I do like the flares

Ron

By D Cantrell (Discodad) on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 11:44 pm: Edit

Ron, Great minds think alike, I am a cheep Bastard. I have paid less than 1000.00 in my life to have someone wrench on my cars. I have had LR Fords Chevy’s Porches Mercedes Benz I like working on the Benz the best. 450 SL, Oh Rick that’s the Wife’s car. I was going to call on the flares also. If priced right ill go for it. I wonder what size tire I can stuff, I have OME HD
currently running 245's?

By Rick on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 11:28 am: Edit

Well discodad, looks like I hit a nerve. I am not new to this board, but I will take your advice and take it less seriously. Fun is one thing, but messing with someones business rep. is another.I made my point. You cant make a fair comaparison, if all you do is measure prices. You will find out that the cheaper price isnt always. Sorry If I offended you. I read alot @ this site, w/o writing, no need. Excellent archives here. I know them @ ECR, they do work that is unrivaled. BTW thats not Mikes disco, go ride with them sometime, you'll see. I am not arrogant, just standing up for a friend. I abhor the attitude that goes with so many Rover owners, so you're wrong there, not me. Sorry about the 'wife's ride' thing, was a cheap shot. ECR will build whatever you want,within your budget.They are expensive, but fairand honest. You wont find anyone who knows Rovers better, or who does better work IMO. Peace
Rick

By Kyle on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 11:34 am: Edit

Hmmm , ECR caters to the crowd that has allot of cash and doesnt have a clue how to do it them selves . Its a motor swap , far from building a space craft..Someone mentioned the dash cluster , lol , yes , I can really see paying 5K too much so that they will change the cluster over in the truck.
Rick , what you are seeing here is the contrast between guys that have no clue and will pay someone like ECR because of it , and guys that turn their own wrenches and can see that. You are also grossly mistaken if you think the guy at ECR cant be followed on any of the trails available to us here in the US by people that come to this board.
Ron , stop making stupid statements like that. Bending the shit out of your truck is a sign of carelessness and a lack of skill , its not a badge of courage. If the man hasnt bent up his truck and he actually uses it then I would have to say he has some skill.. The bashed up trucks I see all the time just tell me that the owners either dont care or dont know any better...
Brian , you too payed through the nose for somone to do an engine swap in your truck cause you couldnt , and you have the giant jeeper meats on there. These things seem to run hand in hand and I can see where you would be all over that thing...
The flares arent some giant sign of craftsmanship , they are just there to cover the hacking that needs to be done and do it wih minimal effort. If that had stretched the wheel openings on the thing so that they were just a bigger version of what was there in the first place then I would give kudos for it... The flares are kinda like a little kid cleaning his room by stashing all of his crap under his bed so it cant be seen....

Kyle

By Brian Jackson (Nerover) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 12:43 pm: Edit

Kyle,

You really can't just sum EVERYONE up in a paragraph or so. It seems you jump in to stop people from saying somehing that doesn't fit your style, and rain on their parade. Why do you feel the need? That's dick. I'm sure the owner of DISCOTECH will be very happy with the outcome. And bodywork?...Not everyone does care! So, I suppose myself and a handful of others (including the manufacturer of some of your Disco's add-ons) can't drive at all, eh? My engine blew from lack of skill right? Sure. Not everyone is made of cash and not everyone is a mechanic.

As to my Denver stranding...Please, oh mighty Kyle, what should I have done? Ship my truck home, buy a plane ticket, ditch my vacation and swap the motor in my spare time at the garage I worked at as a tech (paying my boss for the time)? Should I have set it on fire, since it is such a hunk of shit (as you so frequently remind me), send it to ECR, $G or RN? I made a decision based on a whole lot of factors that you don't have the foggiest notion about.

Mike Smith is a fantastic driver and his colorful 90 goes all over the place. I've driven with him and have been very impressed. ECR caters to a certain crowd, fine...but Kyle, that crowd likes their product, so live and let live man. Why doesn't everyone just chill the fuck out.

Brian
-who like flares and big meats and not little hard-ass 32"s at 65 psi.

Mike Smith of ECR driving up Rocker Knocker

By Peter Miller (Njrover) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 01:34 pm: Edit

Brian, You hit that right on...

If I had the money I would have my truck at ECR right now getting a 4.6. If you have the money then more power to you. We all make due with what we have...

Those flares are sweet...

Pete

By Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 02:29 pm: Edit

I think Kyle hit the nail on the headI agree with the body damge if you want to molest a truck get a piece of shit and fuck it up..why go rip of something that looks as good as a Disco its pointless.Even if I had all the money in the world I would stll avoid all the body damage..Any one can wheel good it does take some skill. but from what I have witnessed it takes persitance and some brain function (not breaking things). If a person has anough money to mkae some greasy mecahnic at ECR rich then fine they have worked thier ass off for it people say the same things baout us taken our trucks off in the woods and getting them dirty...I cant begin to express how much it bothers me a person wont take the RR or Lr in the woods..its like having a pussy and not fucking it..

By Kyle on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 02:31 pm: Edit

Hmmm , I dont recall telling anyone not to post. I do recall telling Ron to stop posting that shit about bashed up trucks.
Are you too forgetfull ? Do you not recall what you told all of us about the engine going in Denver?
I also dont recall saying that ECR did terrible work or the guy Mike doesnt go anywhere. I infact complimented him on his truck being bash free after his travels.
I also dont get anywhere near as defensive when people talk about my 32" tires or the air in them . I also remember very clearly talking about 35" tires and them being put on to make up for a lack of skill. (Your words , I wont mention who they were in reference to)
If you dont care about the body work then that does eliminate a certain level of skill doesnt it ? Didnt we have this coversation before ?
As far as what you SHOULD have done in denver ? Whos to say ? I would have done different , but then again ,Ax would have done different then me and George different then him . Most hard core DIYers wouldnt have gone the route that you did and would have come out spending far less cash.
As far as live and let live? Tell me Brian , should we all jsut say. "Yes , everything RTE sells is the best thing you can get and the prices are the best" and "Yes everything $G sells and does is the greatest and their prices are the best" and "Yes , ECRs work is the greatest and their prices are the best" and "Any mod you do is the greatest and it will last forever" and "Yes , beat the living shit out of your truck and it will serve you well" ???? Is that what all of us should be saying ? If thats the case we may as well turn off the power switch on the site because its serves no purpose any longer...


Kyle

By Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 02:34 pm: Edit

please dont turn the site off...its people like him that makes this so much fun

By Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 02:35 pm: Edit

Brian how big are those tires

By Peter Miller (Njrover) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 05:33 pm: Edit

Phillip,

Are you saying that you would avoid certain trails because of the possilbility of body damage?

If you don't try those trails you won't know how much skill you really have. I'm not saying that I go out to dent my Range Rover, but if I do then I do. You can be the best driver in the best rig and still get body damage.

Pete

By Kyle on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 05:38 pm: Edit

So Peter , you buy into that whole thing I see al the time about trails. "Body damage pobable" ?

Kyle

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 05:52 pm: Edit

it has long been my experience that the easy trail are where you get the big dents and scrapes. even the best let there guard down and then fuck up while lighting a cig or taken' a chaw.

rd

By Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 05:52 pm: Edit

I had rather walk or ride my bike or watch other people mess up thier trucks before I would mess my truck up..I would do my best to avoid body damage...I wouldnt have to do where I would get body dmage to prove to myslef I was good and that my rig was tough

By asdfas on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 06:10 pm: Edit

By Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 06:12 pm: Edit

what is the point in hacking up a 40k truck

By Redsrover (Redsrover) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 06:20 pm: Edit

Rick C. makes a valid point with his message about knocking on ECR when they obviously know what they are doing when it comes to kitting out a top notch trail rig. BUT WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE STUPID SPOILER ON THE BACK????? It can't possibly create a down draft to keep the rear glass clean so it is there for looks alone.

ECR is run by some great folks and I wish I had the $ to plunk down on a custom 110 Hi-cap. But that spoiler is just gay looking.

Oh, and my wife drives a Yukon, I drive the two Rovers.

Red

By Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 06:23 pm: Edit

maybe the owners thought it was cool..i would spent my money elsewhere...

By Kyle on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 06:44 pm: Edit

The spoiler obviously causes some downforce at speed and cancles out the lift created by those wings (Flares) hanging off the side...


Kyle

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 06:45 pm: Edit

Well, Peter, let me ask you this. If you come to a spot in the trail where you know that you are going to put dents in your truck and it's either body damage or turn around what would you do? I have come to that and I turned around. I felt like an ass doing it since it held the others I was with up from going to another trail but, I didn't want to knowingly dent the crap out of my truck just to go down a rock. Now, do I want to go down that rock now that I have some extra clearence? Hell ya I do. If I get a dent then I get a dent but, I'm not looking to do it on purpose.

By Kyle on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 06:47 pm: Edit

Had you chosen to go down Eric you would have done so dent free... Getting dents is up to you , you either do whats needed to avoid them and dont get em. Or say "Fuck it" and take your chances...

Kyle

By Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 06:48 pm: Edit

I would ride in your truck

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 06:53 pm: Edit

I think that the big rock would have been OK. It was that little shelf before the rock that would have crushed in my rear quarters cause there wasn't away for me to keep the back of my truck from landing on it after I dropped off it. I guess I could have stacked some rocks though. Oh well. Too late to do anything about it now what's done is done. Just have to wait till next time to go over it and not be such a little pussy about it.

By Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 06:55 pm: Edit

o well we all take chances..I would avoid body damage as much as possible

By Kyle on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 06:57 pm: Edit

Not being a pussy at all . The fact is , we all had to stack to get down dent free. Whats a little more or a little less ? The Toys that came down had to stack as well. If you are running 35s you are gonna have to stack AND fight the tippyness more in that spot.. Turning around was no biggie man.... If something dont feel right,,,,,dont do it... There isnt any cash or medals being handed out at the end...

Kyle

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 07:00 pm: Edit

You check out those other trails yet? I think the rangers closed a part of one but, I'm not sure.

By Kyle on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 07:02 pm: Edit

Naaaa, havnt had time. I have been peeling 100 year old wall paper for the last two days ...


Kyle

By Eric N (Grnrvr) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 07:23 pm: Edit

I know the feeling.. I'm lucky that this house doesn't have any wall paper. Every thing else is screwed up but, no wall paper. Score it, steam it, and scrape it.. That's the easiest way.

By Peter Miller (Njrover) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 08:13 pm: Edit

Eric, If I was 100% sure I would get major body damage, then yes I would turn around or take a bypass or different line. But if there is a 50% chance I will get a dent then hell yeah I would go for it. I was just saying that sometimes no amount of driver skill can stop body damage,

You just have to know when enough is enough even if it means never leaving the pavement...

Pete

That spoiler is pretty gay

By Peter Miller (Njrover) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 08:34 pm: Edit

Kyle,

Have you tried mixing liquid soap into water and using a spray bottle to moisten the wall paper. It did the trick in our hall...

Pete

By Erik Olson (Jon) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 09:09 pm: Edit

Spoiler is kinda lame looking.

That said, I would argue that Paul Sipe (for one) is rather competent in things mechanical. His 110 Tdi conversion by ECR in 2001 is nothing less than perfect. I would send my vehicle to them without hesitation if had the discretionary income to do so. Why judge people who don't happen to own a TIG welder or would have trouble making one from an Optima and Wrigleys gum wrapper? I've met plenty of guys who haven't a clue mechnanically who will outdrive the best shop techs around.

One thing that is dangerous here (and I've seen it many times) is the flaming of certain vendors who work on and sell product for the LR marquee. We should count ourselves lucky to have so many half-decent products to choose from. Further, if not for his good-natured, prompt participation and willingness to accept input from perfect strangers, John (RTE) would probably get flamed too - even though his stuff is the best available. I would like to see the gross generalizations limited when it applies to peoples hard-won reputations and livlihood.

I've owned my own company that took great pride in our collaboration with our customers. I would hate to think that our reputation was comprimised because some people on a message-board just like to do their own work instead of buy off the shelf?

Erik

By Rob Davison (Pokerob) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 09:20 pm: Edit

ECR does a good job, no doubt, but they charge too much. they are price gouging like home-depot in Fla after a hurricane.

one could argue the fact that people pay what ECR asks, so therefor it is worth it.

i say ignorance is not bliss.

ECR should, frankly, be ashamed to charge what they charge in my opinion. i realize that to some people time is money and they gotta have it so it's worth it. i just think it's morally wrong to take advantage of rich dumb people

rd

By Kyle on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 09:24 pm: Edit

Erik , this board is educationg people. A side affect of that will be money lost in shops. I dont think anyone ragged on their work quality did they ? They made some jokes about the price and the spoiler . Just as this board can hurt a vendor it can help them as well , AND HAS !!! Do you think its easier to win a "reputation" from educated individuals or uneducated ones ?

Kyle

By Kyle on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 09:27 pm: Edit

Yes Peter I have been doing the hot water and soap deal in a spray bottle. Did I mention the house was built in 1910 and has plaster walls ??? LOL I would much rather have to put a diesel in a disco then deal with that crumbling bitch....

Kyle

By Erik Olson (Jon) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 09:43 pm: Edit

Kyle,

I think it better not to debate after you've been papering all weekend.

E

By Kyle on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 09:47 pm: Edit

Hell , I am getting my ass kicked just getting it off without destoying the walls. Getting paper back up is just a dream at this point


Kyle

By Brian Jackson (Nerover) on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 11:33 pm: Edit

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I also dont get anywhere near as defensive when people talk about my 32" tires or
the air in them . I also remember very clearly talking about 35" tires and them
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If you dont care about the body work then that does eliminate a certain level of
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As far as live and let live? Tell me Brian , should we all jsut say. "Yes , everything
RTE sells is the best thing you can get and the prices are the best" and "Yes
everything $G sells and does is the greatest and their prices are the best" and
"Yes , ECRs work is the greatest and their prices are the best" and "Any mod you
do is the greatest and it will last forever" and "Yes , beat the living shit out of
your truck and it will serve you well" ???? Is that what all of us should be saying ?

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By Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 12:04 am: Edit

You have way to much time dood

By Seann (Seann) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 01:00 am: Edit

Brian is the man, there is no possible way to win.


Seann

By Brian Jackson (Nerover) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 07:39 am: Edit

Phillip,

They're bigger tires than I had before. They're like 34.5 x 12 or so.

Here's my daily driver Kyle, whatcha think of her?




Brian

By Kyle on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 09:57 am: Edit

"No, you didn't say "don't post", but you did knock DISCOTECH in a very blase way... And, as you often do, you stated your answer as if it was the only correct one."

Hmmm , there are posrtions of that build up that I dislike , so yes , I did post an opinion about it. Should I come off like I am wrong? would that make you feel better ?

"Sort of...you said, IF he did go anywhere AND it was dent-free, then he MIGHT have some skill. Kinda sounds like a bit of a backwards compliment to me...?"
Oh really ? It doesnt sound like I dont know the guy or the truck and its state ? More like giving the benefit of the doubt...

"In some cases, of course it does eliminate some skill, but not always. I don't hit trees and rocks because I can't avoid them and take damage because I don't have the skill to get to point B otherwise."
So you are aiming for them ? Think about that statement for a moment...


" I'm sure we have had this conversation before, as we've had many, but I change my opinions over time. I have not found Nirvana yet at age 21 where I want to sit back and end all growth and change."

Do you realize that last year alone you had more majior break downs then I had oil changes ? Please tell me some crap like "Its because I am testing my limits" lol

"That's not living and letting live, Kyle - that's dictatorship. I meant for you to simply give other points of view and opinions some consideration before disregarding them as absolutely wrong because they don't grow from your school of thought. I never said any more than my opinion of ECR, and that's what I thought this board was about. All of their work that I've seen done by them is, IMO, top-notch, and there is not another company I know of that undertakes the types of projects they do. So, as I said above...let them charge whatever they want. If you're so upset by it, why don't you start charging (what you believe to be too much $$$) to convert Series to coils with Yota axles, or TDI 90s/110s/130s/Discos and projects like DISCOTECH?"

All I do is give my opinion , if it turns out being right because of having much more mechanical experience then you I cant help that...
As far as butchering cars ,,, been there done that. I may still butcher one now but it would have to start off as wreck.. Its no challenge to swap some axles or hack a quarter panel and fender. Its a challenge to bring it back from the dead... You realise an insurance adjuster would total your truck (And many others here) if he was to do an estimate on it ?? Thank about that....


Kyle

By Peter Miller (Njrover) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 11:29 am: Edit

Hey Kyle, I'll do your walls if you put a diesel into my RR...Sounds like a good deal to me Have fun with the walls

Brian, whats the wheelbase on that thing?

Pete

By r0ver4x4 on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 11:32 am: Edit

yeah they are big tires....I agree with the insurance adjuster thing

By D Cantrell (Discodad) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 12:02 pm: Edit

Did I start this?

I buy what I like and drive what I like. It’s called freedom of choice. I supported it for 20 years and my friends are doing it now for us

The point I was trying to make 50 or so entries back was that I would not spend 35K on a car worth 15k.

Now if ECR has customers willing to pay for those kinds of upgrades, go for it. I have had customers where money is no object, but all of there money was not my object.

I base this not only on ECR but all the vendors i have delt with lately none want to lower ther prices for a deal. But ill bet thay haggel the shit out of ther suppliers. Were in a slight recession and buying tow is not high on my list.

I asked RTM for there best price on some sliders a few weeks back and ther quote was price is on the web. OK fair, my money is in my pocket not yours.

Honey good news we can buy the new SG bumpers bad news no collage money for the kids.

Oh OH engine gone By new Disco II or go for a ECR
TDI upgrade. Hum??

Rick- I do feel I get the best for my dollar, I don’t believe if it costs the most it must be the best. PT Barnum liked those kinds of people

Personally I like shopping around and building my own rig. It keeps me out of trouble. The best tool I have is the web. Next time I bust my knuckles on the Disco ill envy the owner of Discosaurs. For about 30 seconds. To me my Disco nicer, it has no cancer.

I do like the flares. Has anyone priced them? After this I may have to have an alias buy them for me?

I applaud ECR, RTM, SG, Rockware and several less popular vendors for giving us a such a competitive selection of toys to adorn our LR's with,

I have used the advice and lessons learned on this and other sites. I want to thank our hosts for giving us this medium to share our ideas.

Let’s focus on the positives and drop the attitudes.

PS Happy Holidays

DD

By MA on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 12:28 pm: Edit

The flares are $325 for the set.

By John on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 12:50 pm: Edit

all the vendors i have delt with lately none want to lower ther prices for a deal. But ill bet thay haggel the shit out of ther suppliers. Were in a slight recession and buying tow is not high on my list.

I asked RTM for there best price on some sliders a few weeks back and ther quote was price is on the web. OK fair, my money is in my pocket not yours.

Fair is the keyword here...sliders are sold at a fair price to begin with here at RTE, the most slider at the least cost. If you can find a comparable slider assembly at a "fairer" price then put your money in their pocket.
I have dealt with my steel supplier for 42 years and I have no need to "haggle the shit out of him" as he honors a fair working relasionship as well as I do.
You are right we are in a recession, I would give the stuff away but my wife wont let me.

By Discosaurus (Discosaurus) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 12:52 pm: Edit

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Personally I like shopping around and building my own rig. It keeps me out of trouble. The best tool I have is the web. Next time I bust my knuckles on the Disco ill envy the owner of Discosaurs. For about 30 seconds. To me my Disco nicer, it has no cancer.
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Huh ???

How did I get into this ?

My truck hasn't seen the inside of a dealership in years and has plenty of my blood in the engine bay.

keith
discosaurus

By JCC on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 04:33 pm: Edit

Brian, I remember wheelin with ya at the uwharrie safari. I enjoyed the movie clip ya posted! That diesel 90 is awesome. It sounds bd ass! I would swap my motor out for a diesel anyday.

Justin

By D Cantrell (Discodad) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 06:02 pm: Edit

Discosaurs,
(Did not mean to step on your handle)

Sr moment striking the keys. I like to shop and haggle and enjoy building my ride. If the future DISCOTECH owner can get the same enjoyment out of paying for it why not.

I can relate to the blood thing. Sometimes its hard to tell where the lock tight starts and
the blood ends. Is O+ good for sealing threads?

John,

Thanks for the update. I believe your products are sound and engineered quite well but it was the way you cut me off with the inquire to your sliders. Pay my price of hit the road attitude, Business must be good to have that marketing plan.

Anything for a car can be negotiated! And I did find a set similar to you lites but with jack points. for less and that included shipping

By michel on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 06:22 pm: Edit

Insureance would right your rig off if he were to apraise it.... How true. In my case very true.

The whole thinking about body damage being acceptable or not is ludicrous. Damage of any kind is not acceptable and is just plain wrong. But alas, shit does happen and what's important is when it does hapen is how you handle it. I've "touched" a few body panels here and there and I can tell you it hurt me deeply every time. The reason I "touched" them is not important. What matters is how it's handled afterwards. You can run home and cry, and never go out again because you scared your "expensive" rig, or you can learn from it and try better next time.

I've met some people who get paralized at the posibility of a scracht and they are the crowd most protection vendors cater to, they will spend 6 grand in protection BEFORE going offroad, fuck up once, and buy themself a "beater" defender (old one) for the real offroading...

Other's like me figured the disco is the real offroad vehicle and do it all with it and that does mean when I get to a very DENSE forest with lots of branches I go ahead, my choice because the pain of not doing so is bigger than the pain of scratches from the forest.

In the end, body damage is not a choice, it's a fuckup of some kind, not something you "decide" before you go into it.

Michel

By D Cantrell (Discodad) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 06:33 pm: Edit

Mike good points,

I believe you can cover a vehicle for extras like winches lights but your premiums shoot up. I carry a extra for those items. I had the extras listed on my RR but now that the Disco is the new obsession Ill have to upgrade.

DD

By Kyle on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 07:36 pm: Edit

Perfect post Michel considering I just got your quarter extension at the house today... LOL Now , comparitivly , Findlays truck is straight. It has some bends here and there but when compared to where its been its pristeene...

Kyle

By marty amedeo (Marty) on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 08:51 pm: Edit

It's only sheetmetal...............{http://www.delrc.com/marty1.jpg}

By Ron on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 09:43 pm: Edit

Damn skippy marty!

Kyle,

I believe I have seen some damage on that white disco of yours. and Ho's bumper, and John's truck, and Bill B's, and pretty much everyone else I know who actually wheels. You drive though trees you will get damage. Bottom line. It is inevitable . . . or you are driving in stuff well below your ability.

Sure I wreck my series a lot. Woop de do. The fenders werefull of bondo and not original. But there are almost no dents on the disco. sure the rear fenders have a bit of damage on the bottom but how else do you get over shit without hitting them?

Mike Smith is cool but that D90 is pristine. No scratches that I could see even. And he did not run the timed comp at H.E. I thought the guy who showed up in the 84 diesel cherokee he found and got for free and then built up deserved more props.

Ron

By Discosaurus (Discosaurus) on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 01:27 pm: Edit

I remember wheeling with a guy who owned a well dented RR in a thick forest setting. After we were done, he was complaining the damn trees actually straightened out some of the wrinkles in the sheet metal

B.D. is all in your individual point of view

keith
discosaurus

By D Cantrell (Discodad) on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 01:59 pm: Edit

Did that on my old 88 the rear right door opened better after a Rock slide. Pervious owner creased every panels. The RR and Discos need a cheaper source for the skins. Maybe do like NASCAR have
spare skins color matched out of ABS Plastic like the Saturns then fastened them ratchet type Aircraft pannel fastners.

Dee

By Brian Jackson (Nerover) on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 02:01 pm: Edit

Peter Miller, wheelbase is like 102" now.

Rover4x4, You're wrong about the adjuster thing, but...who cares? Most trail trucks are total heaps.

JCC, what's your full name? Got a gallery?

Michel, good points man.

Marty, I think you and I went to school together :-)

Ron, You went to that school, too, I think. How 'bout a reunion?

hehe,
Brian

By r0ver4x4 on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 03:57 pm: Edit

How can you say if the insurance adjuster comes and looks at your truck and its all battered,broken muddy molested etc you would prolly get less for it that say if it was clean and not all beat up//

By JCC on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 04:05 pm: Edit

Brian,

No gallery yet cuz my rover is in a constant state of evolving and cant keep it together long enough to take picture...Ill work on it though. At the time of the safari My gold disco only had OME HD suspension and a fresh set of BFG a/t. The only trail that we wheeled together was on the steep switchback on daniel( the one you ran in 2wd...haha) I was a good deal ahead of you in line. i got out and watched everyone else come up the steep rocky hill!

Justin Church

By D Cantrell (Discodad) on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 09:29 pm: Edit

Rover4X4,
A Collision Adjuster worth any thing can tell a maintained Car over a rolling wreck, Keep pictures with date stamp to help you fight for every dime of improvements to your ride Also save receipts. Last loss I had State Farm paid 80% of all the receipts I submitted.

DD

By Mud Man (Clarance) on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 10:41 pm: Edit

Well here's my story, thought not about body damage, damage none the less. Last weeks i took my truck on its second trip, and stalled the engine in water. The truck is still at the shop with potentially $1000+ in damage. That is going to put a very large dent in my pocekt (I'm currently accepting donations ). I'm not decouraged and i'm not going to stop wheeling. I'm going to take steps neccessary to ensure it doesn't happen again. In this case, its a snorkel. This, for me at least, is a learning process. I so badly want a $G bumper, but its $1600. If i had it i'd buy. I dont so i'll be concocting one of my own.
And as far as things being over priced, go to your local dealership and look at a window sticker. 40-70K for something with a Buick engine from the '60s? In the end we all, like the owner of that Discotech are and/or will be happy with our own dicisions.
p.s I dont like that spoiler or the name either. But i'll take those fender in black. this is of course IMVVHO Clarance

By D Cantrell (Discodad) on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 12:01 am: Edit

Mud Man-
Can’t do the Upgrade donations. The IRS has me financially depressed until next April.
Sorry about your submarine ride, you can hold a sign along the trails will work for S$ bumpers
Don't knock the 60s If I could I would put a nice mild cam 350 Chevy crate, To much hassle in California to do engine swaps.

By Mud Man (Clarance) on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 08:17 pm: Edit

LOL...