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Old 01-19-2017, 10:12 AM   #26
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Old 01-19-2017, 06:42 PM   #27
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Speechless! The thought and engineering that is going into this is second to none!

I think RoverCanus was asking if you could reprogram OUR ecu's that have SAI to delete it. I know on my daughter's '03 it is a major pain to work around.

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Old 01-19-2017, 06:52 PM   #28
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Does the latest ECU control 4 cams? I'm on another (Volvo) forum where some brothers who are building a righteous track car need variable cam timing on 4 cams. So far it seems that none of the aftermarket ECU's can handle it.

FWIW they are using the Volvo/Yamaha B8444 motor from the XC90. Same motor Noble used in the M600.
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Old 01-20-2017, 05:24 AM   #29
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Does the latest ECU control 4 cams? I'm on another (Volvo) forum where some brothers who are building a righteous track car need variable cam timing on 4 cams. So far it seems that none of the aftermarket ECU's can handle it.

FWIW they are using the Volvo/Yamaha B8444 motor from the XC90. Same motor Noble used in the M600.
If it's the same as the noble, then it's it's the ford V6 duratec unit which as you say has 4 cams, but is only variable on 2 of them (inlets variable, exhaust fixed). That is unless your brothers are running some clever kit

That said, the EMUIV can handle 4 cam sensing and variable timing on all inlets and exhausts. That and the ability to control direct injection makes it unique in the aftermarket I think. But be aware that I am still testing it at the moment. If it is only 2 variable cams, then EMUIII and indeed a few other aftermarket units should be able to drive that
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Old 01-20-2017, 09:18 AM   #30
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Holy. Crap. Impressive. Goes to show that the spirit of English back garden/shed tinkering is alive and well!
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Old 01-20-2017, 10:02 AM   #31
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If it's the same as the noble, then it's it's the ford V6 duratec unit which as you say has 4 cams, but is only variable on 2 of them (inlets variable, exhaust fixed). That is unless your brothers are running some clever kit

That said, the EMUIV can handle 4 cam sensing and variable timing on all inlets and exhausts. That and the ability to control direct injection makes it unique in the aftermarket I think. But be aware that I am still testing it at the moment. If it is only 2 variable cams, then EMUIII and indeed a few other aftermarket units should be able to drive that
M600 is a Volvo V8. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_M600

M400 has the duratech v6. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_M400

The Volvo B8444 is a wicked 4.4l V8 designed by Yamaha and built by Volvo. It uses 4 phased cams. They used this motor in the XC90 suv's and S80 sedans. It's normally a fwd layout so getting it mounted and adapted to a rwd drivetrain is a feat in itself. These guys are building a pretty incredible track car based around it.

http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=264064
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Old 01-20-2017, 05:13 PM   #32
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I just read the entire thread.
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Old 01-23-2017, 11:12 AM   #33
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Yeah those guys are beyond talented!

They have an awesome street car as well. A 242 with a straight 6 from the Volvo 960 and a W58 5 speed manual. Megasquirt, big brakes, homemade wheels, etc, etc. I love this car.

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Old 01-23-2017, 02:18 PM   #34
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Bad asd disco I like the response. BECAUSE I CAN hellafied engineering i second the hall of fame vote
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Coolio about the ecu shit...from someone whose done stupid shit with a d2...this ain't much different
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Old 02-05-2017, 05:45 PM   #36
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And that gentlemen, is what a 5 litre supercharged Jaguar V8 looks like in the engine bay for a TD5 !







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Old 02-11-2017, 03:10 AM   #37
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One of the few good projects here.
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Old 02-11-2017, 09:26 AM   #38
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And that gentlemen, is what a 5 litre supercharged Jaguar V8 looks like in the engine bay for a TD5 !
What all was involved to make this work? Please tell more!!!!
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What all was involved to make this work? Please tell more!!!!
He make is own ECUs for that monster.
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Old 02-11-2017, 01:42 PM   #40
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What all was involved to make this work? Please tell more!!!!

It's just a bare engine sitting in an engine bay (no trans, cooling, intake/exhaust, etc etc), so probably just that cherry picker you see in the pics.
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Old 02-11-2017, 03:06 PM   #41
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He make is own ECUs for that monster.
Forgot about that little detail. All the shiny bits distracted me.
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Old 02-13-2017, 04:33 AM   #42
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Yeah, there is still a long way to go. I have completed all the wiring this last weekend, but I still need to tackle the plumbing - it's going to need a custom rad because the inlet and outlet unions are on the wrong side with a disco rad, but it at least gives me the opportunity to spec a better cooling rad in the process ! I'm going to fit a RRS exhaust to it temporarily next weekend just to check she fires up ok. But it will still be a couple of months (I only get the weekends to work on it) before she'll hit the road I think
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Old 02-27-2017, 05:40 AM   #43
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Well, good news and bad news. I got the engine to fire up yesterday

No cooling system (ok for a very brief test run) and no exhaust (VERRRY loud !)

But the good news is that the engine and the engine management both seem to be running just fine

The bad news is that under heavy load, the A/C pump on the left impacts with the metal bracket for the engine mount (could probably cut some metal off that without impacting its performance too much)

The worse news is that under similar loads, the alternator on the right impacts with the steering box , and I don't think I can cut any of that away !

I think I'm going to need a few days to think about this one, but it's been a mixed emotional weekend
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The problem is that although the engine initially slotted in quite nicely, the ancillaries are all a lot lower down on the AJ133 in comparison to the THOR which has the alternator and A/C in the V as you can see on these comparison pics

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So what to do ? I could start with the arduous task of re-locating the alternator and A/C pump

Someone suggested using stiffer engine mounts to limit the movement of the engine, but that's also going to transfer a lot more vibration into the chassis, which won't be pleasant to drive

Anyone else face similar issues ?

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Old 02-27-2017, 12:38 PM   #45
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A picture of the area of concern for the steering box would help. In my experience with several engine swaps, you've always got options. I've found that there's some flexibility in the drivetrain mounting on may vehicles, capable of locating the whole engine/trans setup an inch or two forward/back. I understand you've created custom mounts for the engine, but it may be desirable to raise or lower it a bit.

The alternator looks fairly well tucked into the outside of the V, but it may be possible to machine its mounts and push it in to get another 1/2" of clearance or so. Depends upon how much room you need. You may also consider a smaller size alternator (either aftermarket or from another vehicle) with custom mounting brackets. I've taken this approach with a p/s pump in the past.

Another option is relocating the steering box, or sourcing an alternate steering box with a different size/shape.

I just realized that this engine has 2 separate serpentine belts. It may also be possible to slide the alternator into the plane of the other belt with a custom mount and modify the belt routing accordingly.

Just some ideas... Hard to give much else without seeing specific shots of the problem.
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Use Saginaw steering box mounted outside of the framerail. Here's a photo of somebody posted on NAS-ROW.com :

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Just some ideas... Hard to give much else without seeing specific shots of the problem.
Thanks for that - some really useful ideas here, I'll try and get some "in-situ" pics of the Amsterdam actor and post them
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Use Saginaw steering box mounted outside of the framerail. Here's a photo of somebody posted on NAS-ROW.com
That looks like a solution that might really work ! I don't know what a Saginaw steering box is to be honest, but I'm definitely going to check it out - I wonder if they're available in right hand drive !
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I would be very surprised if they weren't - check UK versions of GM vehicles.
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For the A/C compressor, you could probably source an aftermarket unit designed for the street rod market. They are typically smaller in size with comparable output. There's not much room under the hoods of 30's & 40's era autos so the aftermarket has catered by making the engine accessories smaller to fit in these locations. Just food for thought.

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