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Old 12-16-2017, 11:25 PM   #526
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I think they have a decent chance of getting a mistrial.

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Old 12-17-2017, 02:37 PM   #527
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Wooten wrote that supervisory agents with the bureau repeatedly mocked the defendants in an "amateurish carnival atmosphere'' that resembled something out of middle school, displayed "clear prejudice'' against the Bundys, their supporters and Mormons
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Old 12-17-2017, 02:47 PM   #528
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I think they have a decent chance of getting a mistrial.

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Old 12-17-2017, 04:13 PM   #529
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Who to trust? The agent who used his position to get tickets to Burning Man and bullied whistleblowers, or the well-reviewed agent who served as an USMC Infantry officer for ten years?

I have no opinion on the Bunkerville case but I don't think it looks good for the prosecution right now.

If this does get declared a mistrial, I wonder if the government will take it to trial again...
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Old 12-17-2017, 05:06 PM   #530
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Who to trust? The agent who used his position to get tickets to Burning Man and bullied whistleblowers, or the well-reviewed agent who served as an USMC Infantry officer for ten years?

I have no opinion on the Bunkerville case but I don't think it looks good for the prosecution right now.

If this does get declared a mistrial, I wonder if the government will take it to trial again...
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Old 12-17-2017, 11:52 PM   #531
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If the Judge dismissed with prejudice, I’m not sure they can have a retrial.
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Old 12-20-2017, 02:01 PM   #532
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Well, that's that.
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Old 12-20-2017, 02:23 PM   #533
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I'm on the tail of this but a BLM investigator report came out and said the FEDS are accused of severe bias towards the Bundy's. Am I late to the party with this?

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Old 12-20-2017, 02:31 PM   #534
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Well, that's that.
No, it's not. Judge hasn't dismissed the charges (although that could happen), and has scheduled a new trial date.

Sounds like the prosecution stepped on its own dick.

Bundys (still) want to claim self-defense. As if the presence of LEOs with guns allows them to rally the kooks and take up arms.
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Old 12-20-2017, 02:39 PM   #535
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Mis-trial....

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Old 12-20-2017, 03:04 PM   #536
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Sounds like the prosecution stepped on its own dick.
Who would have guessed.....
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:23 PM   #537
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I'm on the tail of this but a BLM investigator report came out and said the FEDS are accused of severe bias towards the Bundy's.
Well, they were a bit biased towards LaVoy Finicum
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Old 12-20-2017, 08:52 PM   #538
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Well, they were a bit biased towards LaVoy Finicum
Sad but true. The situation should have never escalated in that fashion.
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Old 12-22-2017, 12:37 PM   #539
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....and here comes Sessions.
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Old 12-29-2017, 03:28 PM   #540
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I think this is going to get dismissed with prejudice.

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Old 12-29-2017, 09:54 PM   #541
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Beyond the threat assessments, other evidence that defendants obtained "piecemeal'' during the trial included information about an FBI surveillance camera on a hill overlooking the Bundy home with a live-feed image viewed in a command center and snipers positioned outside the Bundy ranch.

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Old 12-30-2017, 09:18 PM   #542
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Man, those guys were just a bunch of Kooks.
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Old 12-31-2017, 01:32 AM   #543
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Sorry. Explain again how threatening, pointing rifles at the Feds is OK?

Or refusing to pay grazing fees? Or not abiding by court orders? Or taking over federal buildings at the point of a gun (or just in general)?
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Old 12-31-2017, 01:42 AM   #544
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I remember a time when conservatives used to get pissed about criminals getting off on technicalities.

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Technicality???? Lol.
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Sorry. Explain again how threatening, pointing rifles at the Feds is OK?
Why does this seem to piss you off so much? They (feds) are just people, and they are seemingly asshole people in this case. You sound like someone personally insulted your mother.
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Why does this seem to piss you off so much? They (feds) are just people, and they are seemingly asshole people in this case. You sound like someone personally insulted your mother.
why? Because it's called the rule of law; the alternative is chaos. If everyone can decide what laws they want to abide by (ie, pay the grazing fees), and then refuse to abide by the courts when found guilty of not abiding by the law, and then think they can take up arms without consequence to prevent any punishment from violating said laws, what do you think would happen?

Don't want to pay your taxes? Then threaten the cops when they evict you from your house/business? No problem?

Pull out guns and threaten the police when they respond to domestic violence calls? That's ok?

I'm also pointing out the hypocrisy of so-called conservatives who think they bashing the big bad feds is justification for the Bundy's behavior over the decades. It's not. They are lawless, want the law a certain way that benefits them, and don't want to suffer any consequences when they break the law

If anyone else pulled this bullshit of pointing guns at LEOs, "conservatives" would be screaming about "law and order."

There are LEOs on this board. I wonder if they think everyone should be able to point guns at them.
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why? Because it's called the rule of law; the alternative is chaos. If everyone can decide what laws they want to abide by (ie, pay the grazing fees), and then refuse to abide by the courts when found guilty of not abiding by the law, and then think they can take up arms without consequence to prevent any punishment from violating said laws, what do you think would happen?

Don't want to pay your taxes? Then threaten the cops when they evict you from your house/business? No problem?

Pull out guns and threaten the police when they respond to domestic violence calls? That's ok?

I'm also pointing out the hypocrisy of so-called conservatives who think they bashing the big bad feds is justification for the Bundy's behavior over the decades. It's not. They are lawless, want the law a certain way that benefits them, and don't want to suffer any consequences when they break the law

If anyone else pulled this bullshit of pointing guns at LEOs, "conservatives" would be screaming about "law and order."

There are LEOs on this board. I wonder if they think everyone should be able to point guns at them.
Prosecutors - "The men conspired with Bundy family members and wielded weapons to threaten the lives of federal agents enforcing lawful court orders to remove Bundy cattle from public land after he failed to pay grazing fees."

Chief U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro - "Not guilty"
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Prosecutors - "The men conspired with Bundy family members and wielded weapons to threaten the lives of federal agents enforcing lawful court orders to remove Bundy cattle from public land after he failed to pay grazing fees."

Chief U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro - "Not guilty"
Wrong...The judge didn't say "not guilty," she declared a mistrial because the prosecution didn't follow the discovery rules, ie, a technicality.

It's still to be decided if she feels that the govt's actions were so egregious, or that the Bundy's couldn't get a fair trial, that the charges should be dismissed with prejudice. That's a penalty on the govt. But a far cry from not guilty, or as you are viewing it - innocent of the charges.
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why? Because it's called the rule of law; the alternative is chaos. If everyone can decide what laws they want to abide by (ie, pay the grazing fees), and then refuse to abide by the courts when found guilty of not abiding by the law, and then think they can take up arms without consequence to prevent any punishment from violating said laws, what do you think would happen?

Don't want to pay your taxes? Then threaten the cops when they evict you from your house/business? No problem?

Pull out guns and threaten the police when they respond to domestic violence calls? That's ok?

I'm also pointing out the hypocrisy of so-called conservatives who think they bashing the big bad feds is justification for the Bundy's behavior over the decades. It's not. They are lawless, want the law a certain way that benefits them, and don't want to suffer any consequences when they break the law

If anyone else pulled this bullshit of pointing guns at LEOs, "conservatives" would be screaming about "law and order."

There are LEOs on this board. I wonder if they think everyone should be able to point guns at them.
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Beyond the threat assessments, other evidence that defendants obtained "piecemeal'' during the trial included information about an FBI surveillance camera on a hill overlooking the Bundy home with a live-feed image viewed in a command center and snipers positioned outside the Bundy ranch.
Sounds to me like turnabout is fair play.
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