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Old 12-28-2018, 02:36 PM
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2 for 1, Defender and Gladiator at the bottom, clever placement.

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/land-ro...eturns-in-2020

Per the article: "Spy photos of new Defenders being tested suggest that it will use a fully independent suspension along with the rest of the Land Rover lineup, rather than the live axles of the previous editions and the current Jeep Wrangler, but the automaker promises that it will be the most-capable off-roader it has ever built."


Those are strong words. Maybe it will have optional F+R lockers? That would be the only way to make that statement true.
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Old 12-28-2018, 03:20 PM
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Funny enough at our last ride for the year a few weeks ago, We had the whole gambit. From a series truck, to P38, D2, D1, D90 and LR3. Guess which one of those had to turn around and go back to camp because they couldnt make it up the wet hill? Yep the LR3 with sliders and 18" wheels on Ko2's Could have been driver error, but he beat that truck and finally gave up. Only myself and the D90 had lockers.
LR3 weighs more than my crew cab F150. Pigs can't climb. They make great mud anchors too.
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Old 12-28-2018, 06:23 PM
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I wonder if the new Defender will have the same cutesy, quirky commercials that Land Rover is putting out now....where the chick lowers the ride height to let her little rat dog jump in the back because she's too fucking lazy to pick it up, or the snob suburbanite mom "helps" the beleaguered dad with all the beach crap by lowering the back seats with his iphone app, or the dad in the driver's seat getting pelted with rubberbands flushes out his little shit bastard kids by folding down the second row seats. Best 4x4xFar for sure.
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Old 12-28-2018, 06:26 PM
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Yep the LR3 with sliders and 18" wheels on Ko2's Could have been driver error, but he beat that truck and finally gave up. Only myself and the D90 had lockers.
Don?t think comparing a LR3 on AT?s to a D90/D2 locker on MT?s is apples to apples.... That being said the first time I wheeled mine I could really feel the weight on some cross slopes
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Old 12-28-2018, 06:30 PM
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I wonder if the new Defender will have the same cutesy, quirky commercials that Land Rover is putting out now....where the chick lowers the ride height to let her little rat dog jump in the back because she's too fucking lazy to pick it up, or the snob suburbanite mom "helps" the beleaguered dad with all the beach crap by lowering the back seats with his iphone app, or the dad in the driver's seat getting pelted with rubberbands flushes out his little shit bastard kids by folding down the second row seats. Best 4x4xFar for sure.
I haven't seen any of these, but I find your descriptions to be particularly entertaining.
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Old 12-28-2018, 06:36 PM
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I forgot the one where the little mangy gangster-wanna-be kids break & enter then ransack mom's Discovery looking for valuables to steal and they look in every cubby and storage space and don't find shit, then mom busts them and opens the one secret cubby up front where she keeps her milk chocolate and crack cocaine.
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Old 12-28-2018, 07:14 PM
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Don?t think comparing a LR3 on AT?s to a D90/D2 locker on MT?s is apples to apples.... That being said the first time I wheeled mine I could really feel the weight on some cross slopes

The Series, P38, D1 and couple other D2's were not locked, and they got through just fine. It was a sloppy shit show, and momentum was needed. It seemed like the TC in the LR3 kept cutting power when he needed it the most. So again, it could have been user error or (wrong terrain setting)


Just stating the facts. Out of 5-6 trucks, only the LR3 had to turn around.
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Old 12-28-2018, 07:57 PM
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Why didn't you help him through?
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Old 12-28-2018, 08:01 PM
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Why didn't you help him through?
This was on Rm loop going up at the very beginning. He was smart and decided since he had to drive home to VA he wasnt going to tear up his truck. It only got harder from there. I would have pulled him up if he had wanted to.
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Old 12-28-2018, 08:49 PM
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Gotcha, NO shame in that at all. The weekend I saw y'all was exciting. I can't imagine doing that in the rain.
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Old 12-28-2018, 09:27 PM
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Gotcha, NO shame in that at all. The weekend I saw y'all was exciting. I can't imagine doing that in the rain.

This was the badass series with us. You can see how bad the trail conditions are.
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Old 12-28-2018, 09:38 PM
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The Series, P38, D1 and couple other D2's were not locked, and they got through just fine. It was a sloppy shit show, and momentum was needed. It seemed like the TC in the LR3 kept cutting power when he needed it the most. So again, it could have been user error or (wrong terrain setting)


Just stating the facts. Out of 5-6 trucks, only the LR3 had to turn around.

Sounds like he left DSC on. Rookie LR3 mistake.
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Old 12-29-2018, 11:45 AM
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Sounds like he left DSC on. Rookie LR3 mistake.
That and those tires. An LR3 can really make use of a touch more bite, and if it's the trail pictured, that's some seriously snotty stuff. Weight is certainly an issue, and there are absolutely systems that should be disabled for a snotty climb.

Land Rovers always end up heavy, but I would imagine the Defender won't tip the scales quite as bad. Those luxury features are fucking heavy, and I doubt it'll be too equipped, in that regard. The LR3 and 4 were a bit over-built for their purpose, in my opinion.

That top shot in one of the linked articles is really making me think it's got a removable hard top. I sure hope so. It may never come off, but I think it's going to be an important feature to sell the vehicle to people who want a more traditional profile.

I just can't wait to see how much of that shape is foam and fiberglass under the wrap. I'm not sure we actually have much of an idea what this thing is going to look like.

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Looks like a jacked up Kia Soul
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Old 12-30-2018, 11:34 PM
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Old 12-31-2018, 02:09 PM
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That thing might actually look good with the camouflage off. The video is showing me there's a lot more cladding under that wrap than I previously thought. It may have very well-defined Defender shoulder lines.

Combine that with whatever the roof and hood cladding are hiding, and I don't think we have the foggiest idea what it looks like under there.

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You?ve been waiting 9 years. Keep waiting another.
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You?ve been waiting 9 years. Keep waiting another.

Reveal in '19 and for sale in '20. I am thinking of going the opposite direction, picking up a 95 D110 when they are legal to import, left hand drive from Spain maybe.
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Or southern part of Italy. Parts of Germany / Austria good as well.
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As much as they've been talking this thing up, it had better be a monster.

They've already said it's going to wipe the floor with a G, and that's a bold claim for any newly-designed vehicle. Now they're driving around with the off-pavement slogan stamped on the side.

Of course, we've all seen the new Range Rovers seemingly perform miracles, at this point. Regardless, dick has met table. It really needs to measure up if they want to keep their reputation for capability. I hope it does.

At the very least, there is potential for good styling under there. A lot more foam or fiberglass was present than I thought based on the pictures. The video certainly showed that more readily. That's a much more extensive disguise than it appeared to be.

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Let's be honest. The "men" purchasing new Land Rover products likely order their salads with a light raspberry vinaigrette.
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Regardless, dick has met table.
That was funny.
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Let's be honest. The "men" purchasing new Land Rover products likely order their salads with a light raspberry vinaigrette.
What I find interesting are the number of guys with older stuff who put the wife in a new LR. A friend here in town has a DI, DII and a 90 but his wife drives new Range Rovers.
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I wonder if the new Defender will have the same cutesy, quirky commercials that Land Rover is putting out now....where the chick lowers the ride height to let her little rat dog jump in the back because she's too fucking lazy to pick it up, or the snob suburbanite mom "helps" the beleaguered dad with all the beach crap by lowering the back seats with his iphone app, or the dad in the driver's seat getting pelted with rubberbands flushes out his little shit bastard kids by folding down the second row seats. Best 4x4xFar for sure.

It's funny you posted this. I was telling a guy at work about those commercials and how sad that's what the Discovery has been reduced to. I know you've been here long enough to remember when Jeep came out with their "trail rated" slogan and how it was mocked here as mall rated. The irony hey...
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