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Old 11-14-2017, 10:26 AM
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230K on my 02 Kalahari & it's original engine. All depends on maintenance.
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Old 11-14-2017, 06:13 PM
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Don't 2003 and 2004 D2s have frames made out steel about 30% thinner than earlier D2s? That would be a deciding factor by itself.
To top it off, in 2003 LR reportedly implemented some serious cost-saving measures in the corrosion protection department.
I'd be very interested to see a credible source on this. I've heard these before, but it seems to be 100% internet rumor from what I've seen.
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Old 11-14-2017, 09:36 PM
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I'd be very interested to see a credible source on this. I've heard these before, but it seems to be 100% internet rumor from what I've seen.
I'd trust John Robison on that.
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Old 11-15-2017, 12:41 AM
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230K on my 02 Kalahari & it's original engine. All depends on maintenance.
Well, I wouldn't say it *all* depends on maintenance. . . .
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:40 AM
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I'd trust John Robison on that.
To quote John Robison:

"Now we get to the hidden part of the problem . . . I took this situation to our Land Rover tech support contacts, who told me something pretty surprising. It turns out Land Rover reduced the frame thickness of Discovery II models by more than 30% as compared to the Defender and earlier models. So the frame in these vehicles is significantly lighter than the frames of earlier Rovers, which were themselves no paragons of corrosion resistance. This was done to save weight and gas but it has had the result of making them weaker and less durable."

So even your source does not say the 03-04 frame is reduced by 30% from the previous 99-02 D2 but does say it is reduced from the Defender and earlier models. With earlier models meaning D1.
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:47 AM
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Here is another direct quote from John as a response to a question about 99-02 vs. 03-04. And notice the second part of the response is an assumption or observation and not necessarily fact.

"Hendrik, I was told all the DII models have the thinner frames. But something changed for the worse in 2003, both with respect to frames and engines - both suffered a marked drop in quality/durability. At least that's what we see in our service dept."
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Old 11-15-2017, 08:43 PM
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Reliability, is directly related to your patience and cash you are willing to give it and of course love, but what has love got to do with it anyway you should be getting dirty anyhow.
I would look for that rust free d2 unicorn, or a d1 with minimall rust is tolerable

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Old 11-19-2017, 12:53 AM
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Old 11-19-2017, 07:37 AM
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I just hate mine right back.

Guess we're in a kind of "hate, hate relationship". But truth be told...as unhealthy as it is......it seems to be working...lol.

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Old 11-19-2017, 09:13 AM
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If your thinking about doing this you need to educate yourself on the difference between a Disco1 and Disco2. Those trucks are so different that it's like talking about 2 different trucks. Like Ford and Chevy literally. I personally think you should be looking at a Disco1. Unless your a big fan of pain and suffering.

BMW fucked up a perfectly good truck when they built the Disco2. You can't keep coolant in them, Most of them don't have a center diff lock. They usually end up with the three amigos (abs ,traction control,hill disent control) because of shuttle valve problems in the brake modulator. The wheel bearings on a Disco2 are like the ones on your grampa"s Buick instead of a semi floating axle bearing assembly like you get in a Disco1. Semi floating axles are what you see when you move into 2500 series trucks with GM. Think bigger stronger. Disco1 has a military swivel ball setup instead of plastic CV boots.

You should look on all the car sites in the west for a solid rust free unit and think about having it shipped home. I paid a grand to have one shipped from Norther Cal. to Chicago a couple years ago. You should be able to find a really nice truck for 4 grand. If your going to pay 6 grand it better be a really nice truck. Somebodies selling a willow green 96 with a standard trans in the vehicles for sale section. That truck is worth what hes asking from looking at the pictures. If I was looking for a truck I would be all over that thing. It's got a lot going for it to raise it's value over the rest of them. It's a rare and desirable color and it's a manual trans truck. And I don't know the guy selling it, so I don't have a horse in that race.
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Old 11-19-2017, 12:13 PM
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If you guys are paying more than $5k for a Disco you should be importing an early 90s 200tdi 3 door or 5 door from the UK or Europe. They are cheap and you are already throwing down a lot unless you buy a trail rig that has good maintenance, shit body, shit interior, and good offroad bits. Don't buy a stock US Disco that isn't mint for more than $1300.
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Old 11-19-2017, 05:28 PM
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If you guys are paying more than $5k for a Disco you should be importing an early 90s 200tdi 3 door or 5 door from the UK or Europe. They are cheap and you are already throwing down a lot unless you buy a trail rig that has good maintenance, shit body, shit interior, and good offroad bits. Don't buy a stock US Disco that isn't mint for more than $1300.
They have to be stock to import.
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Old 11-19-2017, 06:14 PM
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The Defender/Disco argument is apples to oranges. A 5k RoW Defender is going to be a hell of a lot more likely to have any rust issues in the frame than any 5k D1 or D2
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Old 11-19-2017, 08:46 PM
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If you guys are paying more than $5k for a Disco you should be importing an early 90s 200tdi 3 door or 5 door from the UK or Europe. They are cheap and you are already throwing down a lot unless you buy a trail rig that has good maintenance, shit body, shit interior, and good offroad bits. Don't buy a stock US Disco that isn't mint for more than $1300.
^This.
A really compelling idea to be honest-especially because as noted, they have to be stock to import.

Which means then you can start from scratch, and do as little as possible since every mod deviates from a damn good platform out of the box so long as it has decent tires.
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Old 11-20-2017, 04:11 AM
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Maybe I made a confusing post. $5k for a Disco in the US only makes sense if it is completely kitted out with tons of offroad goodies. Otherwise, if you're paying that much, get an early Disco from Europe or the UK. What I meant was that if you're paying that much you're over paying for a stock one in the US unless you're getting a pre-built offroad truck. At that point, why wouldn't you import a diesel 3 or 5 door?
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Old 11-20-2017, 04:17 AM
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The Defender/Disco argument is apples to oranges. A 5k RoW Defender is going to be a hell of a lot more likely to have any rust issues in the frame than any 5k D1 or D2
Who is having that argument? This is a Disco/Disco argument. It's granny smith gasoline V8 apples to red delicious 200tdi diesel apples. A $2k 200tdi Disco from Europe or the UK that you actually inspect and ensure isn't rusted out horrendously plus $3k to get it back will be better than every other clapped out Disco somebody is selling for $5k.
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Old 11-20-2017, 08:34 AM
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Who is having that argument? This is a Disco/Disco argument. It's granny smith gasoline V8 apples to red delicious 200tdi diesel apples. A $2k 200tdi Disco from Europe or the UK that you actually inspect and ensure isn't rusted out horrendously plus $3k to get it back will be better than every other clapped out Disco somebody is selling for $5k.
Ah, I had wrongly assumed you were talking about Defenders when you mentioned 3 door and 5 door. Your above post cleared it up. I would be interested to see how a tdi feels in a Disco. Was always a night and day difference jumping between the (relative) power in V8 Dii and 200tdi in the 90. Of course the tdi is amazing on the trail but not as enjoyable getting to there
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Old 11-20-2017, 10:22 AM
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I can't speak to a 200tdi Disco, but 300tdi isn't too bad. If you pick the wrong gear turning across on-coming traffic at an intersection you may leave some brown stains, but if you know which gear you need it's not too bad. I guess a 5 speed V8 you could have the same problem, though. Most noticeable joining the highway from a slow speed otherwise they're both kind of meh. Noise is the biggest difference. The V8s with stock mufflers are super quiet.
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my '98 D1 has a 300tdi w/auto and i drive around with no problems. it gets bogged down on big hill climbs, but no less than 50mph. my body has about 250k miles on it with no rust. I've sealed the sunroofs and replaced the headliner, a couple window regulators, and one latch. other than that its been great. seat heaters even still work. front seats are worn, but that can easily be remedied if i care to do so.
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