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I'd be interested in where the calculation came from for the amount the gov't has spent. That document appears to be a defendant submission-and unsourced. Simply put it is a lot of zeros that doesn't quite make sense, even for something as absurd as these cases (looking up the Bundy's in case law is illuminating).
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Old 10-20-2017, 06:27 PM
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I'd be interested in where the calculation came from for the amount the gov't has spent. That document appears to be a defendant submission-and unsourced. Simply put it is a lot of zeros that doesn't quite make sense, even for something as absurd as these cases (looking up the Bundy's in case law is illuminating).
2014 Nevada court. When I have time I'll search the depositions for argument sake.
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2014 Nevada court. When I have time I'll search the depositions for argument sake.
I was playing around today during a break just because diving through the myriad of cases just the Bundy's have been involved in is fascinating-and rather amusing at times (particularly when you start reading the affirmation of the court ruling to not allow certain lawyers and such).

This makes me want to go out there just to talk to folks to see how they really feel about it-not the fringes, but the rank and file folks just getting by. Never spent enough time in that part of the interior of the country.
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Jesus fuck you're an idiot.
I'm an idiot?

After 5 posts you finally post something relevant to your claim the govt is going to lose about grazing fees.

Unfortunately what you posted is a motion to reopen then case that was dismissed four years ago. Yeah. That's means the govt is in the ropes.

And the $100MM (and $300MM ) claim has no reference. It's false on its face. That's the annual budget of a lot of agencies. Show some proof, not some random claim.
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This makes me want to go out there just to talk to folks to see how they really feel about it-not the fringes, but the rank and file folks just getting by. Never spent enough time in that part of the interior of the country.
The ones I know here from eastern OR, say they're the rich entitled primadonnas of ranchers who believe it's their inalienable right to fuck the land endlessly and with impunity.

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Add one more to the list of "sovereign citizens."

Jared Fogle just tried to get out of his sex-crime sentence with a legal Hail Mary
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Who gives two shits what those idiots have or don?t have? Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
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Are we talking about the bundy who sold women's shoes or am I completely out of the news cycle?
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Who gives two shits what those idiots have or don?t have? Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
So far that?s all the Bundy?s have done. Win.
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Old 11-19-2017, 10:08 AM
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I don't know that Cliven is winning all that much just yet; sitting in jail losing his teeth and losing days of his life isn't really winning. He may well win the conspiracy case, or rather in his case he may not lose it-but that will still drag out days of his life that he doesn't have to give.
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I don't know that Cliven is winning all that much just yet; sitting in jail losing his teeth and losing days of his life isn't really winning. He may well win the conspiracy case, or rather in his case he may not lose it-but that will still drag out days of his life that he doesn't have to give.
It's amazing to me that the federal government thinks he's a flight risk. It just goes to show how fucked up the system is.
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It's amazing to me that the federal government thinks he's a flight risk. It just goes to show how fucked up the system is.
I don't disagree, but it also goes to show that his lawyer may not be all that great at being a lawyer.

I mean how old is dude, and how much $ do they actually have to facilitate long term flight?

I don't think he helps himself with the suits he files though.
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I googled the bundy situation.

All I get out of it is, guy doesn't recognize the federal government but uses the second amendment as a defense. The 'unwritten' portion about tyrannical government I suppose.

I give him credit. He stood up to law enforcement with a gun and didn't get shot. Good thing he wasn't black and reaching for a phone.
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Peggy wasn't too bad, now Marcy....she could make any man point a gun at a cop.
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So far that?s all the Bundy?s have done. Win.
You should pick up and move out there with the Bundy's! Fight the good fight! Join the rebel forces battling the dark side!
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I don't disagree, but it also goes to show that his lawyer may not be all that great at being a lawyer.

I mean how old is dude, and how much $ do they actually have to facilitate long term flight?

I don't think he helps himself with the suits he files though.
71, and been in jail for what? A year now?
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Old 11-20-2017, 11:51 AM
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71, and been in jail for what? A year now?
What's it costing the tax payers to keep a 71 year old in jail because he's a "flight risk" of not paying his grazing fees? Totally logical. But everything about this trial has been logical.
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Old 11-20-2017, 11:56 AM
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I don't disagree, but it also goes to show that his lawyer may not be all that great at being a lawyer.

I mean how old is dude, and how much $ do they actually have to facilitate long term flight?

I don't think he helps himself with the suits he files though.
For the most part Cliven is his own lawyer. Cliven also chooses to go to court in his orange jail uniform. Strategy?

Ryan on the other hand refuses to consent to a anal cavity search required to obtain street clothes for the trial. Although he's been jailed for over a year, the courts are requiring the option of a cavity search as a condition to wear a suit to trial. Ryan refuses the finger in the ass. Again, logical courts here.
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It may be a strategy, but in the end I still gotta challenge what 'winning' here really means, given the time in the clink that won't come back.
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What is Cliven's mission? Or overall objective?

Holding a 71 year old man on a "flight risk" stipulation for not paying taxes is desperation.

I don't know if Cliven will be found not guilty or not. But who's guilty so far? Parker and Dexler are certainly getting the shaft with this third, "tiered", trial. The feds are desperate. The case is finally getting media coverage. Judge Navaro has changed her tune. Prosecutors are not getting their way in this trial and questionable evidence is not being allowed. Gonna be interesting.
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