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Old 08-17-2017, 01:18 PM   #4426
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Remember a week ago when everybody said Trump is unstable and would start WWIII with NK? Now it's the Nazis. This whole thing is about Trump. Unfortunately for everyone CBS poll says 32% of Americans think Trump's handling of this has been good(67% Republicans, 32% Independents, 10% Democrats).

I don't have my hands full. And I'm not defending him. From the beginning I have been saying the same bullshit tactics that have been used to try to ruin Trump HAVE NOT WORKED. This is the same exact thing, same method, and it's won't work. That poll shows it. You guys just get caught up in the chaff and have no solution except invoke Godwin's Law now along with the media and everybody from Republicans to Democrats.

Ohhh another mess. Maybe this will take him down and we can have Pence for you guys to bitch about next.
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Old 08-17-2017, 01:35 PM   #4427
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Remember a week ago when everybody said Trump is unstable and would start WWIII with NK? Now it's the Nazis. This whole thing is about Trump. Unfortunately for everyone CBS poll says 32% of Americans think Trump's handling of this has been good(67% Republicans, 32% Independents, 10% Democrats).

I don't have my hands full. And I'm not defending him. From the beginning I have been saying the same bullshit tactics that have been used to try to ruin Trump HAVE NOT WORKED. This is the same exact thing, same method, and it's won't work. That poll shows it. You guys just get caught up in the chaff and have no solution except invoke Godwin's Law now along with the media and everybody from Republicans to Democrats.

Ohhh another mess. Maybe this will take him down and we can have Pence for you guys to bitch about next.
Sorry, but trying to dissect and spin approval ratings is not a defense. It only speaks to how Trump is not only revealing his own true feelings, but also the true feelings of those who support him. Race has been and always will be the original sin of America. If there is a bright side to Trump, it's that finally he and his supporters are bringing American racism into the modern light so we can all see it and its supporters openly, and finally engage it openly in the modern era. No more of saying that the resistance against President Obama had nothing to do with racism, etc. It's all coming out into the open now.
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Old 08-17-2017, 01:43 PM   #4428
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So we didn't go to nuclear war, thus last week is a win? Did it stop the DPRK's program-oh wait, no....

Of course this is about Trump; and to paraphrase the Washington Times, it has been about the left destroying him in the same way the right set out to destroy the previous President for 8 years-except in this case Trump can't help but to assist the project.

3 out of 10, are you touting that as good numbers, or bad? Doesn't seem like a mandate-that's for sure. Which gets to the real point:

Govern.
Except the GOP, despite total control, can't bc it is in the midst of its own civil war.

You keep talking about getting caught up in the chaff; but where are the real accomplishments that this chaff would mask? Precious few. Tick, tock.
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Old 08-17-2017, 01:45 PM   #4429
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So we didn't go to nuclear war, thus last week is a win? Did it stop the DPRK's program-oh wait, no....

Of course this is about Trump; and to paraphrase the Washington Times, it has been about the left destroying him in the same way the right set out to destroy the previous President for 8 years-except in this case Trump can't help but to assist the project.

3 out of 10, are you touting that as good numbers, or bad? Doesn't seem like a mandate-that's for sure. Which gets to the real point:

Govern.
Except the GOP, despite total control, can't bc it is in the midst of its own civil war.

You keep talking about getting caught up in the chaff; but where are the real accomplishments that this chaff would mask? Precious few. Tick, tock.
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Old 08-17-2017, 01:53 PM   #4430
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You keep talking about getting caught up in the chaff; but where are the real accomplishments that this chaff would mask? Precious few. Tick, tock.
On this, allow me to quote the transcript of an August 16, 2017 interview with Leo Gerard, the president of the United Steelworkers Union, about President Trump's promise to fix NAFTA. The 23-year-old deal is being reworked with Canada and Mexico.

AILSA CHANG, HOST:

Today should be a big day for one of the president's core promises - fixing NAFTA. Negotiations start today to rework the 23-year-old trade agreement between the U.S., Canada and Mexico. At yesterday's news conference, the president said companies are pouring back into the country. Trump also said he will use American steel to, quote, "make millions of American dreams come true." Leo Gerard knows a few things about American steel. He leads the United Steelworkers, the largest union for steelworkers. And he's on the line from Pittsburgh right now. Good morning.

LEO GERARD: Good morning.

CHANG: So are you pleased so far with the progress the president is making to bring more manufacturing jobs here?

GERARD: Show me the progress.

CHANG: (Laughter).

GERARD: You know that movie, show me the money? Well, show me the progress. There hasn't been any progress, in real terms. And in fact, since the president signed the executive order for the investigation on steel and aluminum, it appears that it stalled somewhere in the system. And as a result, the unfair - the traditionally unfair traders - the Chinese, the South Koreans, the Japanese, the Indians - the industry has been flooded with imports.

In fact, there was a 17 percent increase in imports into the U.S. since the signing of the executive order and 25 percent increase in the month of April. So the fact that the president hasn't taken action since we've signed that executive - since he signed that executive order has kicked the doors open for the unfair traders.

CHANG: We'll talk a bit about the steel industry just in a bit. But I wanted to ask you about something that happened yesterday. The United Steelworkers is affiliated with the AFL-CIO, and that group's president, Richard Trumka, resigned yesterday from President Trump's council on manufacturing. Trumka said the president tolerates bigotry and that he resigned, quote, "on behalf of America's working people who reject all notions of legitimacy of these bigoted groups." What do you think? Can you work with President Trump, given all that's happened in the last few days?

GERARD: Well, in addition to what you just said that President Trumka said, he also pointed out that - as did others - that this manufacturing Council hasn't met, hasn't done anything. And in fact, there was informal meetings, and the labor movement was not included in those meetings. So Richard withdrew his support for both because of the president's actions with regards to the issues he raised, but also with regards to the fact that, after almost six months, there has been no action, no activity. And it would appear that it was a photo op. So we certainly support Rich Trumka's decision.

CHANG: Well, let's move from that council to NAFTA. A lot of economists say NAFTA has actually been a net gain for the United States - maybe not a huge boon but certainly not the disaster President Trump says it has been. What do you think? Has NAFTA helped steelworkers?

GERARD: Can you curse on NPR?

CHANG: (Laughter) I'm afraid not.

GERARD: OK, well, assume I have - that NAFTA has been a terrible disaster for working people from all three countries. It's been a trade deal that has resulted from going - almost a balanced trade agenda when it was passed to almost a $50 billion annual trade deficit with the United States. Canada and the U.S. still manage to be, from year to year, pretty close in sort of trade numbers. One year, one will have a deficit. One year the other will have - wages are about the same. But...

CHANG: Well, what would you change? What would you change about the agreement - for steelworkers?

GERARD: First of all, I would want to enforce labor rights in Mexico. Secondly, I'd want to stop what I call social dumping. Let me give you an example of what that is. Carrier, Carrier - with Carrier, we're taking furnaces made in Indiana, moving them to manufacturing to Mexico. So instead of paying $21 or $22 an hour, they're paying $3 or $3.50 an hour.

CHANG: OK.

GERARD: And then they're going to sell those furnaces back into the U.S. They did that under NAFTA and what resulted in thousands of jobs...

CHANG: All right.

GERARD: ...And social dumping rather than - so there's so many areas where NAFTA is weak that there's lots of targets to fix it.

CHANG: That's Leo Gerard. He is the international president of the United Steelworkers. Thank you very much for joining us.

GERARD: You're welcome, thank you.
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Old 08-17-2017, 02:34 PM   #4431
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An interesting look at why there aren't an simple solutions to the alt-right (umbrella term used on purpose, despite it being different groups):
https://www.cfr.org/interview/what-f...ional-security

As far as VPOTUS goes; ok. I think you'd find that to be a very different dynamic than the current one. I'm guessing approval ratings would go up.
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Old 08-17-2017, 02:49 PM   #4432
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An interesting look at why there aren't an simple solutions to the alt-right (umbrella term used on purpose, despite it being different groups):
https://www.cfr.org/interview/what-f...ional-security

As far as VPOTUS goes; ok. I think you'd find that to be a very different dynamic than the current one. I'm guessing approval ratings would go up.
"That said, the Trump administration pulled all the money from [anti-extremism programs] that targeted non-Muslim extremism and, by and large, defined terrorism as jihadi terrorism.

Within the U.S. the threat from the far right is bigger than that from jihadis. First and foremost, there are many more people in the U.S. that hold extreme-right ideas than that hold Islamist ideas. Second, it is extremely easy to get your hands on serious weapons, even in states where it is not legal. Hence, you don?t have to be organized to create an arsenal. Third, right-wing extremists are much less surveilled than Islamists.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) published a report in 2009 about the threat to the U.S. of far-right domestic violence [PDF], which was viciously attacked by Republicans in Congress. Most of the people at DHS who worked on the far right were moved to different desks, and the author of that report, [Daryl Johnson,] resigned. Well before Trump came to power, the far right was an afterthought for those at DHS working on violent extremism and terrorism."
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Old 08-17-2017, 06:03 PM   #4433
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Haha. You guys are so nuts on this with blood in the water you can't even understand my posts. I didn't mention NK as a win but as a look how the noise makers move to the next issue as soon as they think it's the next big thing to take out Trump. That's all this is now. It was about racism at first. That time is over now. Now it's back to being about Trump. You have reduced racism to a pro or anti Trump issue. Congratulations.
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Old 08-17-2017, 07:32 PM   #4434
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Everyone who is anti-Trump is a Communist/Socialist Antifa and supports murdering Republicans.
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Haha. You guys are so nuts on this with blood in the water you can't even understand my posts. I didn't mention NK as a win but as a look how the noise makers move to the next issue as soon as they think it's the next big thing to take out Trump. That's all this is now. It was about racism at first. That time is over now. Now it's back to being about Trump. You have reduced racism to a pro or anti Trump issue. Congratulations.
I'll absolutely agree that the mainstream media gets excited for anything anti-trump, but in this case I would believe it was a more relevant piece of news. NK has been a steady source of "fear", but the Charlottesville situation was certainly more important at the time.
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Ok. So we all agree Nazis are bad and you guys agree they shouldn't have freedom of speech. Who else should lose that freedom?
We already destroyed the Nazi movement I thought. If we missed a few maybe we should get back on that Little problem. Makes little sense to me that we don't open fire on the Nazi flag on sight.
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We already destroyed the Nazi movement I thought. If we missed a few maybe we should get back on that Little problem. Makes little sense to me that we don't open fire on the Nazi flag on sight.
it absolutely and utterly dumbfounds me we are actually having to argue over this shit. My paternal grandfather was also a sailor, but he served during ww2. One of the enemies were fucking nazis! The nazis were committing genocide. ANYONE who flies that flag or wears a swatsika does not get to use my free speech. They deserve to get beat anytime anywhere. They honestly believe and want non whites to incur violence.

Anyone defending neo nazis first amendment rights are either just wanting to argue for arguments sake or they are with them.

This is fucking ridiculous. They explicitly state they want all non whites and Jews out of this country and explicitly state they will use violence to displace them. When muslims do the same thing we bomb them!
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I wish I could live in a tight little echo chamber where I could get my worldview served up by the CFR and The Atlantic. I would suck at pattern recognition, and I wouldn't make much money, but I would be happy.
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I'll bite, what's a cfr?
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