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Old 11-22-2017, 10:42 AM   #151
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I'm guessing I won't get an answer or be virtually stoned on here but I'll ask anyway.

At what point do you just buy an RV? I mean, RV's are badass. They are a more portable, nicer, mobile home. All the stoves are already built in and you still get to cook on a campfire if you want.
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They're not RV'ers. They're Overlanders. They like events such as the Overland Expo where they all camp in a field together but cook only for themselves with propane.
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They're not RV'ers. They're Overlanders. They like events such as the Overland Expo where they all camp in a field together but cook only for themselves with propane.
Fuck all that. That defeats the purpose of a camping trip. Peace and quiet please. If I can't hear the fire there's a problem.
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Old 11-22-2017, 11:18 AM   #154
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Ninja please. These people beg for attention. These are the same people who start threads on Overland Expo about how they're preparing to travel 100 miles from home for an 'overlanding' trip and document all their oil changes and car wash recipe.
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They're not RV'ers. They're Overlanders. They like events such as the Overland Expo where they all camp in a field together but cook only for themselves with propane.
The very essence of a hobby where you pay an inordinate amount of $ to live like a homeless person.
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Oh and back to the subject of stoves - I traded an Ozark Trail cooler to a buddy for this ceramic stove. I was skeptical of it at first, but damn, it works incredibly well. Easy to start, fuel is endless - it works off twigs which you can find anywhere. Here it is cooking up some awesome scrapple. The ring came with it and it was windy as hell that day, but it's not necessary.

I was also able to get flames shooting 3' high out of it using sticks the size of an average man's thumb so it works well to warm you up, too.

Yeah it's heavy, you aren't backpacking with it, but for car camping? Great.

I think it's made by Stovetec.
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Old 11-22-2017, 01:01 PM   #157
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I'm guessing I won't get an answer or be virtually stoned on here but I'll ask anyway.

At what point do you just buy an RV? I mean, RV's are badass. They are a more portable, nicer, mobile home. All the stoves are already built in and you still get to cook on a campfire if you want.
Doesn't matter how much sense it makes. RVs are for geriatric pensioners, thus not hip.
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Old 11-22-2017, 01:06 PM   #158
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The Partner stove crowd.

Didn't hesitate when asked what the greatest difficulty had been, "weight".. no shit.
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I have one of those - two rescue dogs. No beard, no vintage maps, no old cars that I personally drive. 2008 Tahoe is old I guess. And my 2005 KTM is equally as old.

You're gonna have to do way better making fun of the Partner Stove crowd when you have and entire SnowPeak website designated to unisex clothing and gender reassigned people modeling their products. Your defending the absolute people you love to hate. Maybe we should start a crowd funding site for you, SnowPeak and your BLM people.

Maybe start Twittering your frustrations about making poor camp stove decisions. But be sure to do it in a $440 poncho.
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Aw..Isn't this the movie scene where you both overcome mutual frustration and realize your common bonds in having purchased stoves favored by douchebaggy crowds?
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A Tahoe? Which Vape pen do you have these days?
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Aw..Isn't this the movie scene where you both overcome mutual frustration and realize your common bonds in having purchased stoves favored by douchebaggy crowds?
http://partnersteel.com/prod01.htm

www.snowpeak.com

The SnowPeak site may as well be Grindr.
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As the ladies have told me - they are tired of feeling like a Toaster Strudel and would prefer feeling like a Twinkie. If you catch my drift.
Wouldn't this be a more appropriate metaphor given your lifestyle?
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Old 11-22-2017, 01:48 PM   #164
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SP may be milking the crowd, but they've both been assimilated into the crowds you bemoan. You both win, which means you both loose. Should have bought Coleman or Camp Chefs..
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Camp chef. Haha. What a pile of shit.
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Old 11-22-2017, 02:22 PM   #166
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What's the hang up? Not boutique gay enough?



Obviously too PS for you


The SP IGT is convenient but I'm sure you can figure a work surface for any stove.
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Camp chef. Haha. What a pile of shit.

How about my Ozark trail 2 burner stove that I bought for $15 on sale? Iv had it for 2yrs and more or less used it one weekend a month since I got it. No issues what so ever..

I guess I will never be cool enough to understand why people spend so much money on stuff they hardly use.. Now if you make a living off camp cooking, then I can see spending money on something that can take the abuse.
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I’ve got two camp chef stoves. They are both junk.
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Wouldn't this be a more appropriate metaphor given your lifestyle?
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I guess I will never be cool enough to understand why people spend so much money on stuff they hardly use.. Now if you make a living off camp cooking, then I can see spending money on something that can take the abuse.
It works the other way as well. Why do people spend cheaply on things they use all the time? Pots and pans for instance. Not all pots and pans are created equal. Some frying pans cost as little as $6.00. A $6 frying pan will probably make a grilled cheese just fine. But would a $6 frying pan cook something more delicate, such as crepes, just as good as a $150 fully clad pan?

As for stoves, no one has really talked about what makes a stove a good stove. Garrett seems to think build quality is the deciding factor. If that were the case a Camp Chef would win hands down. A Camp Chef stove is big and heavy and thick and tough. But the Camp Chef stoves fucking suck at anything other than boiling water. Adjusting the heat on a Camp Chef to simmer a pot of chili is near impossible without torching the chili in the bottom of the pot because you have little control of the flame. And if the wind is blowing, forget it.

The Partner stove uses a convex burner and the Snow Peak stove uses a concave burner. The concave burner is not as susceptible to wind and the flame temperature remains more consistent. If you're trying to make any sort of pan sauce or fond, this is important.

The Partner stove uses a steel burner and the Snow Peak stove uses a stainless burner. One will rust while the other will not rust.

I could keep going a bit. But the only way to know the real differences is to call up America's Test Kitchen and have Bridget give us a full report using real information using their tools.

But it's not a lot of money if it's something you enjoy.
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I have a few high-end camp stoves including the Snow Peak. My sixty-six year old Coleman white gas stove is the only one I take anymore. I laugh at overlanders and their propane contraptions. This old stove is just so superior in every possible way. I just happened to buy it on eBay for $25 but if they cost $225, I'd still buy one.
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I have a few high-end camp stoves including the Snow Peak. My sixty-six year old Coleman white gas stove is the only one I take anymore. I laugh at overlanders and their propane contraptions. This old stove is just so superior in every possible way. I just happened to buy it on eBay for $25 but if they cost $225, I'd still buy one.
I agree that the Coleman is superior. Why then, did you buy the Snow Peak?

Another great stove, my first backpacking stove back in 1981, is the Svea 123R, perhaps too old for most of you here. . . Anyway, pump it up and it even works great at high altitude. Beautiful brass. . . A legend in its own right.
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If it really is a 4 season tent, it won't have any mesh anywhere - just vents. Also know that a true 4 season tent is only going to be used in the winter. Your standard 3 season tent will have plenty of mesh and the fly and vestibule will not extend completely to the ground. There will also be material than runs like a skirt down off the fly/vestibule - used for anchoring it further in snow. I'm sure there are plenty of other technical aspects I am missing. I've never owned a 4 season, just camped in them a few times in VT.

The $1,300 SnowPeak Tortue tent is in no way a 4 season tent - by design alone. There is also the $1,300 tarp that SnowPeak sells that they claim is "revolutionary". This seems totally logical to me.

For $250 you can go out and buy a new tent at REI and on top of that you won't feel like a complete douchbag setting it up around other men.

Much of their product line lacks much in terms of technical information for such expensive gear. I wonder why that is.
Okay, I didn't look at their prices until now. That Tortue tent is ridiculous. It is over 6.5ft tall. I can't imagine the torture of setting something like that up. I have this one. It is nice because you can fully close the inner tent. It isn't a big mesh inner tent like most three season tents. This is why I would consider it a four season. It is also pretty heavy duty and I think it would stand up to significant snowfall.

The four season tent you are describing sounds like a polar expedition tent. Not all four season tents have the extra flaps that extend off of the vestibule. It is also pretty normal for them to have plenty of mesh, but it needs to be able to be closed. That's why I would consider the Snow Peak tent I have a four season, albeit a light duty four season. I wouldn't take it to the poles, but I wouldn't be worried about setting it up in Vermont in the winter (which I have done).

I have a Fj?llr?ven tent that doesn't meet your four season requirements, yet it has space for two sets of poles for heavy snow. I'm not hardcore enough to need something like this for winter camping.

Really, the point I'm trying to make is that the Snow Peak tent is very nice tent for the price. Looking at their site, the one I have is only $350. If my wife and I had kids, it would be a perfect family tent for camping in most weather. The vestibule is big enough to hang out in and can also be opened up, with two additional poles, to have a decent sized awning. It is definitely in a totally different league than my old ~$250 Eureka tent.
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Okay, I didn't look at their prices until now. That Tortue tent is ridiculous. It is over 6.5ft tall. I can't imagine the torture of setting something like that up. I have this one. It is nice because you can fully close the inner tent. It isn't a big mesh inner tent like most three season tents. This is why I would consider it a four season. It is also pretty heavy duty and I think it would stand up to significant snowfall.

The four season tent you are describing sounds like a polar expedition tent. Not all four season tents have the extra flaps that extend off of the vestibule. It is also pretty normal for them to have plenty of mesh, but it needs to be able to be closed. That's why I would consider the Snow Peak tent I have a four season, albeit a light duty four season. I wouldn't take it to the poles, but I wouldn't be worried about setting it up in Vermont in the winter (which I have done).

I have a Fj?llr?ven tent that doesn't meet your four season requirements, yet it has space for two sets of poles for heavy snow. I'm not hardcore enough to need something like this for winter camping.

Really, the point I'm trying to make is that the Snow Peak tent is very nice tent for the price. Looking at their site, the one I have is only $350. If my wife and I had kids, it would be a perfect family tent for camping in most weather. The vestibule is big enough to hang out in and can also be opened up, with two additional poles, to have a decent sized awning. It is definitely in a totally different league than my old ~$250 Eureka tent.
For the price, I'd still go with a canvas cabin tent. http://tinyurl.com/kpf58e9. It's 3 seasons at least. Not sure about heavy snow.
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For the Snow Peak / Parter Steel crowd who wish they could display their superior taste en route..
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