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View Poll Results: How much did Russian meddling affect your vote?
My vote was severely impacted by Russian meddling. 5 15.63%
Russian meddling moderately affected my vote. 0 0%
My vote was unswayed by said meddling. 23 71.88%
I am uncertain to what extend my vote was meddled with. 4 12.50%
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Old 11-13-2017, 10:26 AM
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Three important questions:

What countries are doing this, Russia, China, who else?

How do we stop it? Or, can it be stopped? Is education on the issue the best defense?

What counties do we meddle with? If we stopped could a pact be made amung Nations to minimize such behavior?
1) Lots of countries do it, few do it as effectively as the Russians. Chinese behavior is very different, for very different reasons (both in terms of aspirations and cultural norms). Most other countries lack capacity or the need/desire to shape the way the Russians have executed a brilliant covert influence campaign.

2) In an open democracy, it will be difficult to stop. Nearly impossible.
Education is the answer. Of course that's an uphill battle since only 36% of Americans can identify the three branches of the federal gov't, 25% of Americans didn't read a single book last year, most folks get their news from social media, etc.

That informed electorate the FF counted on? It doesn't exist anymore.
That's a party agnostic statement, BTW. Both sides tap into vast streams of ignorance. So did the Russians.

3) We meddle wherever our interests drive such behavior, albeit our meddling has a vastly different tone/tenor (despite mitigational commentary from many who don't know/have never done). That doesn't mean we haven't done things in the past which were regrettable and such.

Signing a pact would likely do precious little to stop it, as it is far too easy to do with minimal attribution and even less risk-often with outsized impacts.

Afterall, what are we going to do-go to war?

This is just how nation's interact; we just do it badly despite being a (the) superpower. That is illustrative of both our significant weaknesses, and incredible strength.

In the end our precarious little experiment will always be ours to lose-and sadly I think we're going to have to truly nudge up against something existential to recognize that, again.

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Been an interesting news day. Remember all the discussions about Wikileaks?
WikiLeaks wrote, that “is the real kicker.” “If we publish them it will dramatically improve the perception of our impartiality,” WikiLeaks explained. “That means that the vast amount of stuff that we are publishing on Clinton will have much higher impact, because it won’t be perceived as coming from a ‘pro-Trump’ ‘pro-Russia’ source.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...m_source=atlfb
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Been an interesting news day. Remember all the discussions about Wikileaks?
WikiLeaks wrote, that ?is the real kicker.? ?If we publish them it will dramatically improve the perception of our impartiality,? WikiLeaks explained. ?That means that the vast amount of stuff that we are publishing on Clinton will have much higher impact, because it won?t be perceived as coming from a ?pro-Trump? ?pro-Russia? source.?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...m_source=atlfb
It sure has, I think we're going to finally start hearing from Jeff Sessions. Time will tell.
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It sure has, I think we're going to finally start hearing from Jeff Sessions. Time will tell.
Yeah, better do something to stop the bleeding. Just don't think there will meat on that bone, but hey-maybe it will do more than the voter fraud thing that was going to show us all.
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Been an interesting news day. Remember all the discussions about Wikileaks?
WikiLeaks wrote, that ?is the real kicker.? ?If we publish them it will dramatically improve the perception of our impartiality,? WikiLeaks explained. ?That means that the vast amount of stuff that we are publishing on Clinton will have much higher impact, because it won?t be perceived as coming from a ?pro-Trump? ?pro-Russia? source.?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...m_source=atlfb
Looks like this is gaining legs:

?Hey Donald, great to see you and your dad talking about our publications,? WikiLeaks wrote. ?Strongly suggest your dad tweets this link if he mentions us.? The message included a link to search documents that had been hacked from Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta. Trump Jr. did not answer. Fifteen minutes later, his father tweeted to his millions of followers: ?Very little pick-up by the dishonest media of incredible information provided by WikiLeaks. So dishonest! Rigged system!? Two days later, Trump Jr. tweeted the link to his followers, writing, ?For those who have the time to read about all the corruption and hypocrisy all the @wikileaks emails are right here: http://wlsearch.tk/.?

Seem to be working together. And US intelligence have said Wikileaks is arm-in-arm with Russia.

Oh, and The Atlantic is saying that Assange basically said Wikileaks was trying to co-opt Don Jr into giving them info.

I don't know which is worse: Trump campaign was looking to Wikileaks for leaks, or that Wikileaks thought so little of the Trump campaign they thought they could "flip" someone in it.
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More connections between Wikileaks and Trump campaign. And seems Kushner has been holding back his discussions with both groups.

Senate Judiciary panel: Kushner had contacts about WikiLeaks, Russian overtures he did not disclose

Drip, drip, drip...
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Just in, Sessions opens up about the Russian Collusion! Wow.

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good to know our attorney general thinks this a big joke. We have some very dangerous people in power these days.
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good to know our attorney general thinks this a big joke. We have some very dangerous people in power these days.
Those who are involved in wrong-doing often make light of it.
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Fake news! Fake news! Liberals! War on Christians! Fake news! Wait, I'm sorry, what are we talking about?
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Something which has plagued all nations for as long as humans have lived. . . Support of the evil which serves our beliefs and condemnation of the evil which does not. . . The ancient ones called it hypocrisy. . . .
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excellent bit of historical fiction... I was surprised the author was not Tom Clancy...
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I read on the internet that Trump's whole plan was just to get into the White House so he could change tax law to steal money from all the hard working people and give it to the rich people. Then Trump will leave the White House and he and his heirs will be laughing for all eternity as the working people have to constantly send him money. If all goes according to his plan, he might one day be a millionaire.
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Not fiction. Trump Pardoned no less than 3 turkeys today. His own (Drumstick), and Obama's last two Turkeys (Tater and Tot).

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excellent bit of historical fiction... I was surprised the author was not Tom Clancy...
That would be a challenge given his death and all. One can only surmise the FSB assessment of suitability for recruitment took a rather dim view. I mean, he's no Flynn.

Here's some alternative news for you: http://realnewsrightnow.com/2017/01/...ardoned-obama/
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Former Trump adviser Michael Flynn pleads guilty to lying to FBI, agrees to cooperate

Mr. Flynn admitted in the plea that Trump transition officials directed his contacts with the Russians.
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Shit just got really interesting.
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This could be yuge!

Although I have to admit...if I was facing 60 years in the slammer I would say anything & everything to get that knocked down to 5-12 months.
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Although I have to admit...if I was facing 60 years in the slammer I would say anything & everything to get that knocked down to 5-12 months.
Just wait until he rolls over on Hilary.
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Shit just got really interesting.
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Just wait until he rolls over on Hilary.
"but whatabout hilary"
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"'ABC News issued a correction late Friday to its report that Michael Flynn was prepared to testify that Donald Trump told him to reach out to Russian officials during the presidential campaign. The network amended the story to report that Trump instructed Flynn to do so during the transition after the election — not during the campaign. Flynn was told to discuss working together to defeat fight ISIS in Syria, according to ABC.""
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A). Note how the corrected themselves. See RT, Fox or even Trump ever do that? Ummmm. No

B). Before or after election day but before in office? Still breaking the law.

C). You forget about the secret channels Kushner wanted. Looks worse now that Flynn is talking.
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A). Note how the corrected themselves. See RT, Fox or even Trump ever do that? Ummmm. No

B). Before or after election day but before in office? Still breaking the law.

C). You forget about the secret channels Kushner wanted. Looks worse now that Flynn is talking.
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