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Old 05-15-2017, 01:23 PM   #51
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Anyone trial for the Land Rover Experience Tour Peru 2017?

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...r-six-day.html
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Hope those baller wheels didn't get scratched.
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Hope those baller wheels didn't get scratched.
Thats the same Yota that Rutledge Wood used in the Top Gear US Rubicon trail episode.

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Old 05-15-2017, 04:38 PM   #55
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How so?
In what sense? the experts? watched a guy try and show proper use of a winch and was holding the cable (not rope) near the front of the winch while he was spooling it in, had gloves on aand was inches from destroying his hand if the gloves caught on a spur in the cable...

The CT stuff is cool, but not practical...but its the same old same old
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In what sense? the experts? watched a guy try and show proper use of a winch and was holding the cable (not rope) near the front of the winch while he was spooling it in, had gloves on aand was inches from destroying his hand if the gloves caught on a spur in the cable...

The CT stuff is cool, but not practical...but its the same old same old
Maybe it was "proper use of a winch, 28 years ago lost in the jungle after three days endless mud and no sleep and no one gives a damn"
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In what sense? the experts? watched a guy try and show proper use of a winch and was holding the cable (not rope) near the front of the winch while he was spooling it in, had gloves on aand was inches from destroying his hand if the gloves caught on a spur in the cable...

The CT stuff is cool, but not practical...but its the same old same old
If I were Trump - I'd ban any and all off road "instructors". I was one for years and I came to the conclusion that NO ONE is an expert. Everybody and his brother buys a truck, drives MOAB and then hangs a shingle. It is this or they write a check, take a test and get a certificate from someone like I4WDTA. The "industry" is perhaps the largest collection of men and women trying oh-so-hard to create some kind of relevance in their own lives.
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Anyone trial for the Land Rover Experience Tour Peru 2017?

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...r-six-day.html

From link: "During the trials, participants will drive an off-road course designed by Land Rover..."

I bet.
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If I were Trump - I'd ban any and all off road "instructors". I was one for years and I came to the conclusion that NO ONE is an expert. Everybody and his brother buys a truck, drives MOAB and then hangs a shingle. It is this or they write a check, take a test and get a certificate from someone like I4WDTA. The "industry" is perhaps the largest collection of men and women trying oh-so-hard to create some kind of relevance in their own lives.
Don't you dare talk about Garet that way!
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I personally know several I4wdta trainers and consider them my friends. I would trust their judgement over anyone else's. They have proven their knowledge in my presence on more than one occasion.
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From link: "During the trials, participants will drive an off-road course designed by Land Rover..."

I bet.
Speed bumps must have been yuge!

Wouldn've given it a go had I been there. Beats work.
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This was part of the course. Two marshals walked the course while you drove to mark the number of flags hit. I thought I had an overhead shot from the bleachers, but I con't find it.
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I personally know several I4wdta trainers and consider them my friends. I would trust their judgement over anyone else's. They have proven their knowledge in my presence on more than one occasion.
I4WDTA is equivalent to a Trump University degree.
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I4WDTA is equivalent to a Trump University degree.
Your comments are pointless. you have no credibility
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Your comments are pointless. you have no credibility
Perhaps. But I can show you far more carnage as a result of I4WDTA instructors than I could ever tell on myself.

I4WDTA is good for teaching universal sign language and terminology. Beyond that it's pointless.
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Your comments are pointless. you have no credibility
I've worked beside MANY. Some are good, some are bad. (One was fired from a job in front of me.) You want to be one? Send a check for $30, go to one a of their many "field evaluations", pass a test and get a sticker. It's just about that damn simple! You want to know as much as one of them and save $30? Read "Four Wheeler's Bible" by Jim Allen and the owner's manual for a Superwinch. You won't get a sticker or a t-shirt but you'll be safe. ANYONE can come up with a "training association". Anyone. There's no sanctioning body or national "exam". You could do it. I could do it. Daniel could do it. We could come up with a logo, get some stickers, make a test and hang our shingle. I'm not saying they can't be friends. I have friends in I4WDTA as well. I also have friends who like Trump.
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I have no desire to be a trainer.. but in the several years I've known those guys I've never felt that they didn't know what they were doing.. we have down multiple recoveries and trail fixes..Ive never doubted their knowledge.
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I have no desire to be a trainer.. but in the several years I've known those guys I've never felt that they didn't know what they were doing.. we have down multiple recoveries and trail fixes..Ive never doubted their knowledge.
How many do you know?

None of this matters. You believe them to all know what they're doing and after having worked in the industry and along side some of "them" I believe they know no more than the other 4 out of 5 "wheelers" out there.
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How many do you know?

None of this matters. You believe them to all know what they're doing and after having worked in the industry and along side some of "them" I believe they know no more than the other 4 out of 5 "wheelers" out there.
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Chris is the only one I dont consider a "good friend". They have asked me to help them with private rides in the past. We will be partnering with UORTC for the 2018 CROC Safari.
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Who needs garit when you've got Terrain response.
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Old 05-18-2017, 07:07 AM   #71
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Thats the same Yota that Rutledge Wood used in the Top Gear US Rubicon trail episode.

That's Nena Barlow's truck. She's good people and a good instructor. The wheels on there as a joke of sorts. She's a good person to have there and represents the community as good or better than any.
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Old 05-18-2017, 12:04 PM   #72
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Yeah, Nena has opened up her own "guide school". She made t-shirts and has stickers and everything! Her long history driving pink Jeeps MORE than qualifies her to teach others how to instruct. And yes - just like I4WDTA, she gives out certificates making you a legitimate "guide".

I'm telling y'all - it's a great racket!
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You might be I4WDTA certified, but are you Overland Certified?
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If the people "instructing" at this years' Expo were Overland Certified, I'm at a loss for words to describe the lack of knowledge these so called "instructors" had and were passing on as practical knowledge to use in the field...
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Frank, I will fly down to AZ next year for expo if you promise to attend all the "classes" put on by these so-called "instructors" and critique their techniques and berate them for disseminating misinformation. It would be well worth the airfare and price of admission to watch you interrupt, rudely explain how they're doing it wrong, and storm off in a cloud of profane indignation while the students are left standing there wondering what kind of tornado just hit.
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