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Old 03-21-2018, 11:02 AM
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This is an insane selling price:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...r-discovery-3/

Are these things on the rise now?
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Old 03-21-2018, 11:45 AM
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Old 03-21-2018, 11:57 AM
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Old 03-21-2018, 12:16 PM
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The SD rack is also not so SD...
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Im curious how much of that price was because its a G4? It has some decent parts on it, but $25k really???
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Old 03-21-2018, 12:51 PM
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What's going on with that passenger front spring in the second picture? Are those 4" springs progressive, or is that just some strange angle that's screwing with my head?

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Old 03-21-2018, 01:13 PM
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Are these things on the rise now?
According to the D1 Price Curve thread two threads below this:

Yes.

If you've got a good one.

I think the TreK at $22k and the G4 at $25k are outliers as they are both rare/special vehicles. However the 97 for $11k and my 96 for $15k (I knocked $300 off the final price to the seller since I didn't get the windshield replaced on my dime and didn't like selling something not 100%) show there is an interest in D1s, especially well kept ones.

Not on Dweb of course
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Old 03-21-2018, 01:36 PM
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Guess it’s still a few years til I can make some coin on my D2.... Besides the D1 having a more ‘classic’ look, I’d think the D2 is more practical for these high dollar buyers who in all likelihood won’t be doing a lot of serious wheeling where the the D1 would perform better
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Old 03-21-2018, 03:17 PM
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I don't think the Disco2 is going to be more practical for anybody. It's just an example of how BMW can fuck up a perfectly good truck.
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Old 03-21-2018, 03:34 PM
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I don't think the Disco2 is going to be more practical for anybody. It's just an example of how BMW can fuck up a perfectly good truck.
It's got more cargo capacity and better handling.

Those are platform-specific benefits, and they're big enough to eclipse the drawbacks for some people.

That's why I've got one, anyway.

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Old 03-21-2018, 03:40 PM
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It's a big piece of shit Kenny. But I've never owned one so what do I know?
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Old 03-21-2018, 03:55 PM
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There are some trade offs (size v cargo space, Watts linkage) but it’s far from fucked up. Aside from the 4.6 issues it’s the same RV8 lump under the hood
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Old 03-21-2018, 04:38 PM
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There are some trade offs (size v cargo space, Watts linkage) but it?s far from fucked up. Aside from the 4.6 issues it?s the same RV8 lump under the hood
No. Your wrong about that. The quality went to shit on the blocks when production numbers went way up. They brought in more venders and quality suffered. Lots of other shit got changed. It's just a big piece of shit.
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Old 03-21-2018, 09:01 PM
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It's a big piece of shit Kenny. But I've never owned one so what do I know?
It's a big piece of shit that has been nearly everywhere it didn't have to cross an ocean to reach.

I'll bet you could count the D1s here that have been out that far on one hand; and they won't have been doing it at those speeds, for those lengths of time, and/or without support. Can't count how many times I cursed myself for not shipping it overseas. My DII has taken almost as much of a beating over the years as I have.

I'm left wondering just what the D1 has (beyond styling) that the D2 doesn't. What more can it do?

Nothing, in the end. It's got a better departure angle, but that's about it; and it was a design decision on the DII to increase cargo capacity. Reliability is equivalent, minus the Amigos, which can be ignored if you know how to drive at least as well as a three year old.

Corrected design and construction hiccups don't count. That sort of stupidity can happen to anything, and isn't platform-specific.

The engine issues aren't as wide-spread as people seem to believe, anyway.

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Old 03-21-2018, 09:27 PM
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Old 03-21-2018, 09:37 PM
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The engine issues aren't as wide-spread as people seem to believe, anyway.
I'll agree with that, but head gaskets should be part of the 60k service on a DII. That isn't the case on a D1. A D1 is much more rebuildable, which makes it a better platform for someone who works on the their own vehicle, IMO.
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Old 03-21-2018, 09:47 PM
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Shit Kenny I'll break this down for you a little better just because your you. I hate for you to sound so fucking stupid so here.

When the D2 came out in 99 they said it had 10,000 new parts. Different parts that didn't go into the D1.

The door handles and latches got changed and the whole security system was "improved" by the Bavarian brain trust. So they gave it superlock and we here at Dweb had to explain how to break a superlocked door latch. And as a bonus, I got to ask about a thousand people "what window you want me to break?". That's so much fun I think I might do the job for free just to see the knee jerk reactions I've gotten over the years.

The ABS system was "improved" and we here at Dweb got to explain all the ways to fix a shuttle valve problem and we coined the phrase Three Amigos. Since they cheap fucked out the the wheel bearings on the D2 we got all kind of wheel speed faults that usually ended up being a bearing. You know a Buick or Olds front wheel drive car will have the same little shitty wheel bearing the D2 has. The D1 uses a semi floating axle like you find in a 3/4 tone Chevy truck.

The fight over the cheap fucks taking the center diff lock away was pretty sad for me. At that point BMW was going to save money by taking away the center dif lock, but all the internals are still in the t case. Just the nose cone and delete of the lever. Even the shift sincro and what they call the dog or shift dog whatever. Every damn thing needed to lock the center dif but the shifter and the lever. We argued that we needed it to diagnose driveline vibration. We would lock the center dif and remove a prop shaft at a time to eliminate the front or rear drivetrain. They still took it and Ford gave it back to us for the last year. Funny thing about that is we really didn't deal wit a whole lot of driveline vibration till the D2 came out. It was just an added bonus to the double cardin shaft. We would take them out of a brand new truck and I would take it to a truck shop on my way home. They would balance it for us and I would pick it up the next night. We fixed a lot of the early trucks like that and Rover was not liking it because they had some fucking british engineer working on the problem. I fixed it with my highschool diploma they gave me to get me to go away.

The ZF trans we ran in the D1 never failed. The new version they put in the D2 would loose all drive in any range now and then. Not to the point of saying it was common. But enough to notice it was a shitty trans compared to the regular old shit ZF sold us. The Germans must not have wanted to pay as much for the trans. So we got the cheap fuck trans I'm guessing.

Lets just touch on a few more problem areas before I finish.

Crank sensors
thermostats
radiators
throttle heaters
steering knuckle geometry eating tires
spark plug wires
sleeves moving and noisy
cracked blocks behind the sleeves
tail lamps filling with water

I'll think of more Kenny.
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Was Dexcool used in D1’s? If not, I’m convinced that is a huge factor in the generally shorter head gasket life on D2’s. Have never had issue between my D2’s after changing to the green stuff.

The watts linkage on a D2 is a limiting factor off road which can be a pain in the ass
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Old 03-21-2018, 10:28 PM
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Your right about the dexcool problems. It only protect the surface of the engine if it's in contact with it. The green stuff leaves a slime to protect the surface. So air pockets are a problem. When the engine can't hold coolant it gets air pockets.
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Shit Kenny I'll break this down for you a little better just because your you. I hate for you to sound so fucking stupid so here.

When the D2 came out in 99 they said it had 10,000 new parts. Different parts that didn't go into the D1.

The door handles and latches got changed and the whole security system was "improved" by the Bavarian brain trust. So they gave it superlock and we here at Dweb had to explain how to break a superlocked door latch. And as a bonus, I got to ask about a thousand people "what window you want me to break?". That's so much fun I think I might do the job for free just to see the knee jerk reactions I've gotten over the years.

The ABS system was "improved" and we here at Dweb got to explain all the ways to fix a shuttle valve problem and we coined the phrase Three Amigos. Since they cheap fucked out the the wheel bearings on the D2 we got all kind of wheel speed faults that usually ended up being a bearing. You know a Buick or Olds front wheel drive car will have the same little shitty wheel bearing the D2 has. The D1 uses a semi floating axle like you find in a 3/4 tone Chevy truck.

The fight over the cheap fucks taking the center diff lock away was pretty sad for me. At that point BMW was going to save money by taking away the center dif lock, but all the internals are still in the t case. Just the nose cone and delete of the lever. Even the shift sincro and what they call the dog or shift dog whatever. Every damn thing needed to lock the center dif but the shifter and the lever. We argued that we needed it to diagnose driveline vibration. We would lock the center dif and remove a prop shaft at a time to eliminate the front or rear drivetrain. They still took it and Ford gave it back to us for the last year. Funny thing about that is we really didn't deal wit a whole lot of driveline vibration till the D2 came out. It was just an added bonus to the double cardin shaft. We would take them out of a brand new truck and I would take it to a truck shop on my way home. They would balance it for us and I would pick it up the next night. We fixed a lot of the early trucks like that and Rover was not liking it because they had some fucking british engineer working on the problem. I fixed it with my highschool diploma they gave me to get me to go away.

The ZF trans we ran in the D1 never failed. The new version they put in the D2 would loose all drive in any range now and then. Not to the point of saying it was common. But enough to notice it was a shitty trans compared to the regular old shit ZF sold us. The Germans must not have wanted to pay as much for the trans. So we got the cheap fuck trans I'm guessing.

Lets just touch on a few more problem areas before I finish.

Crank sensors
thermostats
radiators
throttle heaters
steering knuckle geometry eating tires
spark plug wires
sleeves moving and noisy
cracked blocks behind the sleeves
tail lamps filling with water

I'll think of more Kenny.
Yeah, yeah, I know it's long. LOL Worth reading, though.

Actually, I think I'll catalog some of my personal gripes in a while. There are a few things I would prefer to have seen done differently. Some I've sorted myself, some aren't enough of an irritation to bother with.

I bought my 2001 SE new, the year before it became the HSE for some reason. Same trim level, which was rather pointless because it wasn't long before I stripped it to cut mass. What's that; like ten grand down the drain? LMAO

Still got it all, though.

The brochure I got at the time said on the high side of 800 new parts, if I recall correctly. I'll have to check my files. Certainly wasn't 10,000, though.

Head gaskets: Not a problem when you change coolant regularly. Every 30,000 miles at the bare minimum will avoid the issue, or just at 30,000 mile intervals if you've switched to universal. Mine only popped because I neglected to replace a hose that had been routinely exposed to mud. Just plain forgot about it.

Engine failures: Yeah, some slip liners, but not many. It's been blown way out of proportion. Mechanics see slipped liners fairly frequently because those are the broken vehicles. They are also not often properly maintained. I'm not saying some wouldn't drop them anyway, but I will say far fewer would.

ABS: That's a genuine fault; but not at all terminal, and now we know how to fix it for good. For some reason, Land Rover never seemed to figure the modulator issues out. They sure tried just about everything, though.

Superlocking: It's a feature that must be learned, and did get me an insurance discount. Read the manual or have the dealer turn it off. If you've got computer access, turn it off yourself. I personally have used it every time I've locked my vehicle, simply because it bugs me if I don't hit the button twice. I just like the funny sound of all the handles being completely out of sync.

Some bugger managed to lock himself in his vehicle a while back, actually. I don't remember where it was posted, but I sure remember laughing my ass off.

Plug Wires: Most vehicles at that time ended up with those stupid carbon things. They still have them, but they're better now. Doesn't count. I run Magnecor, and not just on the DII. I like a simple plug wire that is just a damned plug wire. All this other crap is nonsense.

Radiator:
I never had a problem with my original. All that abuse... Never a single drip. I've wanted to swap it for a custom unit for ages, but it's just a matter of appearance. I've got a spare, but the original is still shiny and sealed up tight. Not sure I'd buy a replacement now, though, as they probably aren't as good at this point.

Not a fan of the plastic tanks, but in practice they have not presented an issue.

Transmission: Don't back-flush it under power unless you've changed the fluid regularly. That's what causes the problem. End of story there.

Center Diff: It was still there most years, and there are countless ways to activate it. Someone here used some universal joints and socket extensions in concert with a twisting knob. Who was that? Might still be in the tech section if it's here. Yeah, it should have included the lever to start with, but the transfer case works just fine once you slap in a linkage or fit a handle/knob somewhere.

Thermostat: I've never had one pop, but I have replaced them during coolant flushes as a matter of course.

Crank sensor: Mine's still fine. I've got an extra one just in case, but it's still collecting dust in the travel spares Pelican.

Eating tires: Never had a problem beyond the vehicle being all-wheel-drive, and never seen a person with a problem beyond that, either. All-wheel-drive vehicles eat tires, and that's what any Rover from the era is before you lock that diff: A tall, fat Subaru.

Anyone running BFGs should look at the tire manufacturer before they look at the vehicle in regard to such issues, and damned near everyone was running BFGs at that time; damned cheap-ass clamshell-molded crap.

Throttle heaters: Yup, they leak on occasion; more often than they should, but again, some of that comes down to coolant. The worst decision Land Rover made was DexCool.

Tail lights full of water: I haven't had that problem, but I sure as hell could keep goldfish in the passenger turn signal for most of the time I owned it. Now, my sockets need replacement after it sitting for a long time, but I shit you not; until 2015 the passenger bulb was original. I'm positive at this point it was entirely due to "water cooling". Still have the factory spare the vehicle came with, and it's the only original bulb on the vehicle.

Remember those plastic goldfish? I had one in the driver side turn signal for a while before I smashed it.

Wheel bearings: It would be nice if they were more serviceable, but whatever. The hubs themselves hold up fine. The sensors are just a bit iffy. I've learned recently that some manner of improved part has been offered, but I don't know much more than that. Right now I've got a bad sensor, I think; either that or a brake that needs servicing are bothering it. I know that one is a little sluggish at the moment. Can't blame it for that after so much time sitting, though.

Nothing terminal in the list of issues. I'll take the handling and cargo capacity.

Honestly, the biggest problem I've had is dropping my headlights. The stupid things fall off. I never got around to it before, but I've been meaning to get some Hellas tucked into those circular cutouts behind them, and fit a clear lens. Can't tell you how many times I've had to get out and stick them back on, or just leave one in the dirt because I couldn't stop.

Stupid fuckers. They sure do a good job being headlights, but it would be nice if they stayed on the vehicle.

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''Kenny.Your wrong about the headgaskets only being a problem if you don't change coolant regularly. Because of the shitty thermostat design the D2 is basically too hot by the time it gets that damn thing open.

You need to get the headlight adjusters. Three of them. Should be cheap enough for you to replace them on both sides for around $60. I bet the ball and socket is fagged out.

You wan't terminal? How about the dowels being in the wrong place and causing the oil pump thats prettty terminal when you find out what your going to pay for a replacement you won't be able to find.

As far as the tires being eaten by the geometry in the front knuckles. It was worse than you describe.We replaced a lot of knuckles.Tires would be cupped and noisy as hell afet about 11,000 miles.

Your never going to convince me the D2 is as good as the D1.
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Sure the motors with the oil pump issues were pieces of shit but are there any of those even still on the road? They’ve probably all grenaded 10 years ago by now. I’m sure it doesn’t really do much to deter but the super lock feature always gives me piece of mind if I’m parked in a bad area or leave stuff in the Disco
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I'm never going to SEMA again after I saw a light bar installed INSIDE a vehicle at the visors. That show is 99% trailer trash anyhow. Even SHOT Show is a collection of douchbag air soft tactards with similar DNA to the light bar crowd. I see that DNA slowly "evolving" into the Overland crowd - some rednecks get a little money, buy a Yeti, some Salt Life decals and RTT. What's next? Vinyl records, IPAs, backyard chickens and skinny jeans? Is nothing sacred Jimmy? Well is it?
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You have two kinds of sellers. One kind kinda wants to sell one day then not the other. They also enjoy posting ads about their truck all over the internet in some kind of backwards bragging, hey take a look at my awesome G4 ready for over country (or whatever that shits called).

Than you have people like me. Time to sell, clean it up, make a great ad. Put one, maybe two ads on craigslist and auto-trader (free kind) price it right and sell it in under 7 days. I take very good care of all my vehicles, clean them, take nice photos and post it up. Craigslist can be a car sellers best resource. Why fuck around when it's time to sell and move on? People are crazy.

at the end of the day it's just a truck. IMO only classics need that type of attention.
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