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Old 02-19-2018, 05:25 PM
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???At least, I think I do. Educate me if you can.
As we know the numbers for the manual trucks started out reasonably high in 94 and diminished until supposedly there were less than 100 (67 is the number that floats around) in 1997. There were no manual Defenders imported in 1997. I have the build date and VIN for special order #67 of supposed 67 and mine has a higher VIN and month younger build date. Anyone have any clues as to verifying?

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Old 02-20-2018, 07:48 AM
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Not sure how you would find that out. I'm sure it's one of the last ones brought here.
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Old 02-20-2018, 02:30 PM
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IIRC, there even were manual D2s in the States.
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Old 02-20-2018, 03:11 PM
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Old 02-20-2018, 03:51 PM
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Anyone have any clues as to verifying?
you could try writing to Land Rover USA.

or write to Land Rover corporate in GB.

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IIRC, there even were manual D2s in the States.
thought they were all 4 speed auto boxes?

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Old 02-20-2018, 04:23 PM
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So, rovers north gave me the name of the records guy for Land Rover North America, that may help but in the last day I've heard of one with a build date a month younger... so its not going to be the last unfortunately. The 5-speed disco xd thread currently on Bring A Trailer had someone claiming to have a younger one.
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Old 02-20-2018, 04:25 PM
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to canada that got down here perhaps. But no Manual IIs in the states. Fun fact, in places other than the US p38s could be had with a clutch. sweet.
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Old 02-20-2018, 05:49 PM
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Fun fact, in places other than the US p38s could be had with a clutch. sweet.
And a 2.5 BMW inline 6 diesel.
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Old 02-20-2018, 06:22 PM
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Disco II with a Manual in Canada ? Never seen one
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Old 02-21-2018, 02:30 PM
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Disco 2 manuals are all over New Zealand.
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Old 02-21-2018, 02:34 PM
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IIRC, there even were manual D2s in the States.
As far as I know no manual D2's were sold by Rover in the states. Some might have leaked over from europe or been converted.
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Old 02-21-2018, 02:40 PM
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As far as I know no manual D2's were sold by Rover in the states. Some might have leaked over from europe or been converted.
I am too lazy to search - a Discoweb member had one.
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Old 02-21-2018, 02:42 PM
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As far as I know no manual D2's were sold by Rover in the states. Some might have leaked over from europe.
What an appropriate figure of speech for a Disco. Marty, you always have an eloquent turn of phrase.
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There is an impressive, lengthy and photo documented conversion of a D2 to an r380 manual over on Land Rover forums dot com. My take on that was that it’s a much much bigger and more involved that any hopes of a “plug n play” novelty.
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Disco 2 manuals are all over New Zealand.
D1 99% Manuals D2 70% Manuals in Argentina, most diesel engines.
R380 gearboxes on D2 are equipped with oil cooler (D1's have a bypass instead) And Dual mass flywheel clutch. Clutch switches working together with engine ECUs provide smoother gearchanges

...and ATF gear oil substituted by MTF 94 was a great improvement

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Apparently, there is a 68th one.

https://landroverforums.com/forum/di...estions-87728/
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Old 02-21-2018, 05:32 PM
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Justin at Lucky8 had one he put a D1 transmission in. That crazy guy up in Maine who built fancy boats put a diesel and manual in one.
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Justin at Lucky8 had one he put a D1 transmission in. That crazy guy up in Maine who built fancy boats put a diesel and manual in one.
It could have been Justin, but I thought I'd remember that.
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found it and here is the lengthy and involved d2 to manual thread I discussed above.... impressive amount of work by a dedicated dude. Also, waiting on response from the LRNA concerning manual numbers in 97. Will update when (if) I know anything.
https://landroverforums.com/forum/di...al-swap-79203/
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IIRC, there even were manual D2s in the States.
Definitely not from the factory that way.

My understanding is that they stopped importing them due to the lack of a neutral safety switch. I know a few LR techs who have crushed, or come close to crushing, their tool boxes with manual Land Rovers.
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Old 02-22-2018, 08:41 PM
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Definitely not from the factory that way.

My understanding is that they stopped importing them due to the lack of a neutral safety switch. I know a few LR techs who have crushed, or come close to crushing, their tool boxes with manual Land Rovers.
No starter motor lockout when the clutch pedal was not depressed? Wow.
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Definitely not from the factory that way.

My understanding is that they stopped importing them due to the lack of a neutral safety switch. I know a few LR techs who have crushed, or come close to crushing, their tool boxes with manual Land Rovers.
I think they say you could walk your truck to a safer spot to make a repair. That's why they don't have a safety switch on the clutch. I've seen some stuff get fucked up like that, thankfully never saw anyone get crushed. I end up working with a lot of the rookies and I won't stand anyplace the truck could go. I never stand in front of the things when these retards are trying to get them on a drive on rack. I know to many old guys that either got fucked up by a stupid kid, or almost got it.
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No starter motor lockout when the clutch pedal was not depressed? Wow.
Nope. I always thought that was the reason '97 Defenders were auto. I didn't realise that you could get a manual D1 after 96.
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I think they say you could walk your truck to a safer spot to make a repair. That's why they don't have a safety switch on the clutch. I've seen some stuff get fucked up like that, thankfully never saw anyone get crushed. I end up working with a lot of the rookies and I won't stand anyplace the truck could go. I never stand in front of the things when these retards are trying to get them on a drive on rack. I know to many old guys that either got fucked up by a stupid kid, or almost got it.
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"My understanding is that they stopped importing them due to the lack of a neutral safety switch. I know a few LR techs who have crushed, or come close to crushing, their tool boxes with manual Land Rovers."

So....I interpret this as a car with the ignition turned to start while in gear with the clutch out will leap forward like most other manuals I've owned? I guess I didn't realize that was a thing, but I never started the Boxster in gear on accident come to think of it. That lockout must be an American safety thing I guess?

So that's the actual reason they stopped importing them in 97? No lockout switch? Ive actually started and run cars in the past in gear in situations where the clutch is gone, its on a hill and needs to be moved. I just assumed the American market viewed a heavy-ish clutch and shifter as a pain in the ass at Starbucks drive throughs and also while using the new motorola star tac cell phone and so the demand was less than zero. Especially as the numbers of 5-speeds died steeply every year that passed. I assumed we were in the market for luxury trucks, luxury trucks shift their own gears and nobody wanted a manual disco.
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