Hard Labor Creek Fab for sale

kennith

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Apr 22, 2004
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Denny is a great guy. I know him personally and wish him the best. Yes, some shit happened that sucks for all parties involved, but he is a genuinely good person! Anytime I have ever wheeled or hung out with him I had a blast! I hope to be able to do so in the future as well!

Side gigs are hard. I am a working musician and in addition to my "day job" of teaching and conducting wind bands I have side gigs as a percussionists around the Atlanta area and I have burned some bridges due to my lack of organization in my scheduling. Every "job" has challenges and Denny went through the same shit. It just sucks that everyone suffered in the situation....

We all hit that wall eventually in one way or another.

The problem for some is it happens publicly, and that's got to be even more discouraging. Feeling like you might be unwelcome in your favorite playground isn't fun.

It just sucks seeing people get the impression that they can't come back, because they can. That's the part that's frustrating for me to see, especially when it happens to someone that good.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

disco_drum

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Jan 27, 2006
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We all hit that wall eventually in one way or another.

The problem for some is it happens publicly, and that's got to be even more discouraging. Feeling like you might be unwelcome in your favorite playground isn't fun.

It just sucks seeing people get the impression that they can't come back, because they can. That's the part that's frustrating for me to see, especially when it happens to someone that good.

Cheers,

Kennith

Yep! Exactly!
 
Jan 25, 2010
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Anyone looking to build parts for older Rovers should take a long, hard look at how Greg handles it. That's the way to enter the market, and build up a solid, dedicated following and brand. From there you can safely take it to the next level if you want to.

I don't remember what the deal was at this point, and I wouldn't repeat it either way, but I do recall something happened that jostled his ability to continue projects.

Denny was a cool guy, but like many others, he seemed to misunderstand (not underestimate) the commitment required in fabricating custom parts for a niche market. It takes dedication, or at least fixed and highly limited production. It was the disappearance that pissed me off. He was almost on top of it, but I think those last few rungs of the ladder were just too much.

His level of motivation was high, and his creativity was impressive. Perhaps he went too far in his attempts to respond to the market and innovate without an established, core product line.

Then, nothing. Of course, you know where people are today, but they just land in denial quite often and won't communicate when they get buried. You can be a cool guy all you want, but as soon as you do that, it's over. Some people just hate that reaction, and I'm one of them.

It's not like Columbia Overland, where the guy made great products but is a certified fucking spinster and lemming ready to follow any scheme off a cliff regardless of the fallout, and won't even keep the most simple of promises. Waste of time, that guy. Fuck that shit. I suggest people avoid associating with Alex entirely. He'll present himself as a business professional, but he's a fucking hack.

That comes from direct experience over a lengthy period; not some supposition.

Denny was different. I think he got buried, but I like people that stand right up immediately and say it, rather than leaving designs that everyone could use, and arguably the best of their kind, to rot in questionable IP limbo.
Coming back years later is too late to correct any financial concerns without the potential of people demanding interest. It's going to suck, but hopefully he'll manage it.

Fallout 4 and 76 annoy me for the same reason. It's hard for someone to jump in there and compete with a niche establishment, and when the guys essentially maintaining the genre fuck it up, what is the consumer to do? Every failure of manufacturing in the Rover industry scares people away from new guys.

Of course, he's not the sort to have intended any of this. I'm just more critical of apathy than most. Denny was and likely still is a stand-up guy who just bit off more than he could chew in the face of life's obstacles. HLC could have been legendary. Somewhere here I've still got the prototypes for the spherical rod end adapters, actually.

Maybe HLC will be awesome again. I hope so, and I'd even be willing to work with the new owners if required. Their best bet would be to tap Denny as a design resource. He's too good to go to waste.

Columbia can suck my cock, though. What a waste of time that was.

Cheers,

Kennith
Could you give a more detailed response?
 

kennith

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Apr 22, 2004
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You know, it's the fact that most people reject detail as "text walls" that is causing every damned problem in the world today. There was a time, and it was a time when people thought correctly, when such a response would be considered not detailed enough.

This isn't a telegram. This isn't Twitter. This is a place where a thought can be fully communicated, and provided with context. The lack of context is why we ended up with a politics forum. It's why most people are ignorant. It's why the Constitution is misunderstood, and it's why many wars happen. It's why people think racism is on the rise, and why most protesters are protesting today.

What I'm doing is communicating with language the way it's meant to be used. Fully illustrate a point or fail to make that point. Once illustrated properly, observe all the fools who still break it down into bite-size chunks, because they are intellectually incapable of understanding any more in this world of what used to be called "leet speak".

Those people are not worth speaking with. They shouldn't even be reproducing. If that was too much for someone to read... Well, they have no reading comprehension, and they'll never again understand causality. Such a person needs to grab a mop and push it in silence. That's the place for them.

Now, there's nothing wrong with that place, mind you; people should simply know their place, and if that's the place for someone, he or she should zip up the trap and get to scrubbing.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

CORover

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Jun 11, 2007
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Kennith, since you were not trying to be witty, I salute your verbosity.

[FONT=&quot]My liege, and madam, to expostulate[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What majesty should be, what duty is,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What day is day, night night, and time is time,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Were nothing but to waste night, day, and time;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Therefore, since brevity is the soul of wit,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I will be brief. Your noble son is mad. . . .[/FONT]
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kennith

Well-known member
Apr 22, 2004
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North Carolina
Kennith, since you were not trying to be witty, I salute your verbosity.

[FONT=&quot]My liege, and madam, to expostulate[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What majesty should be, what duty is,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What day is day, night night, and time is time,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Were nothing but to waste night, day, and time;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Therefore, since brevity is the soul of wit,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I will be brief. Your noble son is mad. . . .[/FONT]
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Well, I'll be damned. Shakespeare on Discoweb. :)

He'd be a lot more understood and popular if people actually experienced and understood the entire text. His quote on brevity actually solidifies my point.

Brevity used in situations like this exists almost solely to mislead and turn an ear in ignorance. Politicians follow the format, and so do those who wish to tear apart an argument with foolishness. If winning must be accomplished with pointed sound bites, it's not a contest worth winning. You may as well start throwing punches in an effort to speed up the poisonous process.

Unless participants understand the whole of the position, it's all a waste of time. Presidential debates are a prime example. Those are not debates. They are shameful examples of the fall of rhetoric from grace into the gutter of popular consumption. They are a first-world embarrassment; one of our worst.

I refuse to lower myself to that level. I already lower my standards of correct use of language, as people are uneducated. I've caved to a more primitive manner of communicating with typed words. This is not how I type when I go about it myself for my own purposes. I will not give up any more in the face of the impatient mob assaulting our doorsteps.

If someone can't be bothered to read more than a sentence, I contend they cannot read at all, and are more than likely pissing away time at work, when instead they should be honoring their employer with their constant attention and best effort.

There is no excuse. If someone doesn't have time, they should go back to work. It is obvious, after all, that the web is hopping between nine and five, Monday through Friday... If they're not at work and they still can't be bothered to fully explore a position, I would pity them if pity were in my heart. Sadly, it's not.

If a man's reputation isn't worth at least a grade-school classroom assignment... Well, it's not worth much anymore, is it? Is that where we are as a species? If so, I welcome a Fermi filter.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

kennith

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wish i would have kept my backpack rack.

That was a slick look. I never bought one, but I did consider it.

In the end, I've found the full rack to make a world of difference when it comes to interior temperatures when a floor is used.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

disco_drum

Well-known member
Jan 27, 2006
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That was a slick look. I never bought one, but I did consider it.

In the end, I've found the full rack to make a world of difference when it comes to interior temperatures when a floor is used.

Cheers,

Kennith

The full rack is also an incredible "tree slider"!!! I has saved my alpine windows hundreds of times!!!
 

fishEH

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Jan 26, 2009
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Lake Villa, IL
The full rack is also an incredible "tree slider"!!! I has saved my alpine windows hundreds of times!!!

I love my Rockstar Fab rack for that very reason. It's built like a tank.
It saved my roof and Alpine window(check the mud), but couldn't save the side window.