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Old 03-19-2018, 05:28 PM
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How important is this thing.
It's in the way for my pulling the oil pan.
I don't want to remove the tie rods.
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Old 03-19-2018, 05:43 PM
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Nevermind, getting the sawzall.
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Old 03-19-2018, 06:01 PM
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Throw that bitch in the weeds.
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Old 03-19-2018, 06:10 PM
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How about lifting vehicle body a bit with a jack?

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Old 03-19-2018, 06:15 PM
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I once briefly drove my DII without the front cross-member in place. I could immediately feel the difference. Wouldn't do it again.
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Old 03-19-2018, 06:36 PM
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How important is this thing.
It's in the way for my pulling the oil pan.
I don't want to remove the tie rods.
Any suggestions.
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Jack the frame up. You can remove the pan without dropping the xmember or removing the tie rod
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When I pull the oil pan I always just unbolt the tie rod from one side to get it out of the way.

How do you get it out without pulling one of the two, Will?
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Old 03-19-2018, 07:16 PM
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I have always just unbolted the cross-member and its always been a struggle. Never crossed my mind to let go the steering...........
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Old 03-19-2018, 07:17 PM
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Yes, I have zero clearance under there. Truck is on jack stands. There are 4 things in the way
1-crossmember
2-tie rod
3-prop shaft
4-exhaust

It's been cut out.
All the bolts are rounded. Too small for a 10mm, to big for a 9mm and the SAE sockets the same.
And I got the pulley off by starting the truck with the breaker bar attached. It was so cool!
I'll put a new one on if I feel anything weird, but I still need to remove the bolted on pieces.
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Old 03-19-2018, 07:23 PM
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I have always just unbolted the cross-member and its always been a struggle. Never crossed my mind to let go the steering...........
i would have done that if the bolts had any bite to them.
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Old 03-19-2018, 07:32 PM
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Jack the frame up. You can remove the pan without dropping the xmember or removing the tie rod
I suppose I could have tried that but I was running out of time and I was really struggling with moving the pan around. It is seriously locked in between the prop and the cat.
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Old 03-19-2018, 09:08 PM
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Bummer you had to cut it out, there are tools and tricks for getting those bolts out. Fortunately you can probably get a replacement crossmember for next to nothing.

To get the bolts out (they will break), you need one of those 'turbo' sockets. Once you snap the heads off the bolts use a punch and hammer to break the welded nuts off the frame side. Then you can just reinstall the crossmember with nuts and bolts.
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Old 03-19-2018, 09:47 PM
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Look in the weeds by my house and you'll find several laying there.

I worked on one D2 from up north and it took me like 2hr to remove the darn thing with extractors. Those bolts are pretty soft and they'll either snap or round the heads. I "was" going to re-install it, but some of the threads were jacked up so vs drilling/tapping it got tossed into the weeds. D2 felt the exact same on the road as it did before.

I removed it on my 99 with a 3inch lift, as at full drop the drive shaft was slamming into it and I wasn't in the mood for spacers to make it snag on every obstacle.

It's a grey area of some people swear it makes the D2 fall apart & others have zero issues. Sorry you had to cut it off, but you shouldn't have a problem finding a replacement.
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I took mine off the '04. Doesn't feel any different.
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threw mine away years ago....never noticed it missing and now my driveshaft doesn't hit it every time I go over something!
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Old 03-20-2018, 04:47 AM
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Bummer you had to cut it out, there are tools and tricks for getting those bolts out. Fortunately you can probably get a replacement crossmember for next to nothing.

To get the bolts out (they will break), you need one of those 'turbo' sockets. Once you snap the heads off the bolts use a punch and hammer to break the welded nuts off the frame side. Then you can just reinstall the crossmember with nuts and bolts.
Thank you for the help! I will definitely do that.
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Old 03-20-2018, 06:45 AM
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You can turn it 45 degrees and tilt it out. If the frame is jacked up on the Driver Side. (to the point the wheel begins to come off the ground)
IF you dont want to spend time finding the right spot Jimmy's Idea is a rather quick route as well.
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Old 03-20-2018, 07:03 AM
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You can turn it 45 degrees and tilt it out. If the frame is jacked up on the Driver Side. (to the point the wheel begins to come off the ground)
IF you dont want to spend time finding the right spot Jimmy's Idea is a rather quick route as well.
Thanks Will. I appreciate all the help. I plan on putting another cross member in there. I'm actually glad I cut it out as this will force me to repair the faulty bolts and clean up the attachment point. After removing the engine, I did some light house keeping in the engine bay as well.
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Let me know if you end up replacing. I have 2 Museum Quality Ones here now.. Our Curator might get upset but we are considering dropping the Cross Member Exhibit next month. While the numbers have been impressive we think the Fuel Pump exhibit will be more fun for the kids!!! The numbers will sky rocket with the Annual Easter Lug Nut Hunt coming right around the corner!
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Old 03-20-2018, 06:07 PM
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Let me know if you end up replacing. I have 2 Museum Quality Ones here now.. Our Curator might get upset but we are considering dropping the Cross Member Exhibit next month. While the numbers have been impressive we think the Fuel Pump exhibit will be more fun for the kids!!! The numbers will sky rocket with the Annual Easter Lug Nut Hunt coming right around the corner!
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Old 03-21-2018, 01:22 PM
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I once briefly drove my DII without the front cross-member in place. I could immediately feel the difference. Wouldn't do it again.

You must be more sensitive than I am. I removed mine on my last 3 D2's, and haven't noticed any difference, even with significant off-road use.
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Some people just add spacers to the cross member.
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Old 03-21-2018, 09:39 PM
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Some people just add spacers to the cross member.
Rovertym used to sell them back in the day. I'm sure they sell something similar now.
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Old 03-22-2018, 09:21 PM
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Some people just add spacers to the cross member.
Might as well put the D2 back at the stock height as lowering that thing will cause it to get caught on just about any moderate trail out there.

I used to drag my turtle shell on my TJ/LJ until I did a tummy tuck and with the 4spd auto the silly skid plate would catch on just about anything (mounted in front of the main skid/turtle shell). I did a motor mount lift, 3/4 body lift, and gave the skid plate to the museum, and with the beautiful aluminum 2inch shorter main skid (aka turtle shell) I never got stuck on stuff again.

With the D2 I tossed it vs spacers and I've never experienced any difference across the 6 D2's I've removed it on lifted or stock.
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Might as well put the D2 back at the stock height as lowering that thing will cause it to get caught on just about any moderate trail out there.
The cross member spacers I had from RTE were probably less than an inch. I never had a problem getting hung up on that.
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