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Old 12-06-2017, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Tugela View Post
For some reason Landy enthusiasts in this country have an irrational hard-on for Defenders. Maybe if they had been imported and sold widely in the States the perceptions of their greatness would more closely reflect reality, which is that they are not a comfortable or easy vehicle to own or drive on a long-term basis. Instead their rarity has elevated them to mythic proportions.

After 6 years of living in Africa and logging many km in Land Rovers and Cruisers, my favorite ride remains the RRC. I would own a Defender as a third Rover after my Rangie and Disco - I will probably buy one if I move back to South Africa - but it's not the pinnacle of Roverdom that many people make it out to be.

I'm also looking forward to driving the new Discovery to see what it's like.
Agreed. I simultaneously chuckle and cry when I think about the difference in value between my Disco 1 and a Defender compared to the practical differences.
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:23 PM
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Let's not forget the Defender's unique strengths though..

Soft top - What's better than being in nature in a 4x4? Being closer to it (weather permitting).

Very enjoyable to load up a bunch of good friends/family and venture into the outdoors in an open top vehicle, which there aren't many left.

It's a box - Boxy vehicles are gone, and thus are very eye catching. Boxy vehicles hold large amounts of cargo. Boxy vehicles lend themselves well to customization. Boxy vehicles hold other smaller boxy items efficiently.

It's bolted together - When you enjoy getting hands on with a vehicle, it's refreshing in this age of bonded/robot welded/CNC cut/formed materials, to work with something that pieces together like legos.

At the perimeter, the body of a Defender sits higher from the frame than D1/RRC creating more ground clearance, access to mechanical bits, and tire clearance. The transmission tunnel unbolts for ease of drive-train access. I've wished for this many times on other vehicles.

Design - It just looks interesting. It stands out. It looks like adventure. People get tire of their endless commutes in forgettable Hondas. They welcome a bit of difficulty just to feel something.

All this boils down to fun and utility. All the classic 4x4s going up in value share these characteristics. A Jeep is not comfortable, but they sell millions because they're a hell of a lot of fun. As nice as the comfort of D1/RRC/new Rovers provide, they still enclose you in an isolated box, which isn't fun.

My 3 year old son loves that he can walk around the back of the D1 and more so the LR3 (a much bigger box) with the seats folded flat. The D5's roof is too short for this, not fun. On a Defender the hood is strong enough to sit on or become a work surface. The roofs are flat enough to walk on. In our Jeep with the half-doors and open top, he can see, hear, and smell everything, and hang off the roll bars like a jungle gym on wheels. As adults it can be difficult to immediately articulate why these vehicles are attractive but easy to quickly intuitively sense the potential fun they uniquely offer.
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:03 PM
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So obviously the solution is to have one of each - three diesel Rovers

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Old 12-06-2017, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jymmiejamz View Post
It all depends on what you want the vehicle for. If you just go to a couple off road events a year but have to drive the vehicle every day, a Defender isn't the best choice. We used to only have our Defender, but summer time road trips with subpar air conditioning gets old. A Defender will never be a G Wagen.

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Old 12-06-2017, 05:58 PM
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I'll X3 on Jimmy's comment. Granted I had a hard top 90 with no A/C but it was a sauna in the heat and himidity we have 6-7 months of the year. I slowly ended up driving my Disco more often for basic comforts and the 90 sat more often. I miss it and have considered getting another (110 ST) in the future but don't know how much I'd actually enjoy it. I'm past my off road park heavy wheeling stage and for most trails in the southeast you don't really need a seriously built 4x4. The Disco has fit the bill just fine for my current needs but that's not to say it won't change down the line
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