1st car for your kid

Roverlady

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bigred said:
Funny. My first car was a 74 MGB. At the time, I hated that piece of shit. I pretty much had a reserved parking spot at the mechanics. I wish I still had the damn thing.
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THIS
Don't necessarily get him what he wants. I wanted a Jeep. My dad gave me a '79 Mercedes 300 Diesel. I grew to love it and so did my friends. Wish I had one now to putter around in....
 
K-rover

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My parents didnt just buy me car. I put $3000 towards my $6000 94 chevy cavalier when I was 16. I had been working since I was 14 just so I could have a car when I got my license. I had to work for all my gas money too! Kids these days are just given things without them earning it. They will never appreciate anything if they are spoiled.
 
kennith

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p m said:
Come to think of it Kennith, do you even have kids?
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Nope. But when college is in season around here, I watch everybody else's kids fuck up. A lot. All your little well-groomed high-scorers that are supposed to be beyond that.

Intoxication, texting behind the wheel, applying makeup, riding in the back of pickups, packed into cars like sardines, speeding, pulling out into traffic without looking; the works.

p m said:
What the fuck are you talking about? Jeeps unsafe? Volvos safe but uncool unless a newer model? I think you have no clue whatsoever.
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I think I've got a scatterbrained, tech-addled little brother who has only been driving five years, another brother with a litter of kids, and yet one more who lost his license decades ago.

I've had a heavy hand making sure that first one had what he needed growing up, and being damned sure his modern life remains under safe control while he's driving around. I'm the decision at the end of the phone line; not his father.

It has been so for many years, and when people obey, shit gets done right.

p m said:
And you not only don't want Bluetooth receiver, you don't want anything, even a cell phone in the pocket of your kid when he/she is driving in his/her first few months.
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First few months alone? Maybe. Beyond? Good luck with that.

Cheers,

Kennith
 
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Kennith,

a simple "Nope" at the beginning of your usual long-winded response is sufficient.
It means to me that you haven't spent hundreds of hours with your kids by your side, so they can learn some driving habits from you, then hundreds more with your kids behind the wheel so you can observe their attention scope and driving habits, and make an informed decision on what's good for them.

Stick to the shit you [think you] know.
 
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bigred said:
Funny. My first car was a 74 MGB. At the time, I hated that piece of shit. I pretty much had a reserved parking spot at the mechanics. I wish I still had the damn thing.
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Luckily I still have mine, unfortunately for me I had to wrench. My dad didn't believe in mechanics unless it was under warranty..
 
kennith

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p m said:
Kennith,

a simple "Nope" at the beginning of your usual long-winded response is sufficient.
It means to me that you haven't spent hundreds of hours with your kids by your side, so they can learn some driving habits from you, then hundreds more with your kids behind the wheel so you can observe their attention scope and driving habits, and make an informed decision on what's good for them.

Stick to the shit you [think you] know.
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I taught him how to drive, and I know as much about his attention, perception, and applicable habits as anyone possibly could.

I am sticking to what I know right now.

Cheers,

Kennith
 
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This thread has me searching for 240s again.

This was my $150 240 turbo wagon:

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That thing had the electronic overdrive but some previous owner had hacked up the wiring disabling the OD lockout in gears 1-3, so I could effectively drive that thing as an 8 speed. 3.5 was a nice gear for descending shallow hills.
 
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K-rover said:
My parents didnt just buy me car. I put $3000 towards my $6000 94 chevy cavalier when I was 16. I had been working since I was 14 just so I could have a car when I got my license. I had to work for all my gas money too! Kids these days are just given things without them earning it. They will never appreciate anything if they are spoiled.
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That's how I got my first truck. Bailed hay for 2 summers to save up $350 and my dad matched it. My buddy Dan (not Chapman ) just picked up a mid 80's Mercedes 300tdi that's pretty beat (he wanted it to drop the diesel into his d1) for a grand. I'm thinking that may be a good car (safe and reliable) and something we could work on together (needs alot of interior and some body work). It's a pretty good motor and parts are relatively cheap and readily availible.
 
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kennith said:
The first things I'd get him are a few performance driving courses at racing schools applicable to your climate.

As for the car, it's got to be something at least a little special. I have a couple of reasons for that. The most important is desirability; purely because his friends will want to ride in his car.

That will keep his friend count low, but more importantly keep him out of their cars, which will invariably provide an environment in which he has less control over the evening and is less safe. You can prepare him to handle fuckups (not prevent them, but handle them), but you can't prepare his friends.

In order for that to work, it needs a back seat. It's best if it fits four people comfortably, and five people incredibly uncomfortably. That will wind things down to "double dating" and a just few buddies hitting events, and encourage them to stay that way.

Something nice will also increase his credibility among various groups if he can't do it all on his own. Not too fancy, just a bit better looking than average; a badge the kids respect these days. I'm not sure what that is anymore, but I know most kids aren't as picky at this point.

Behind the rear seat is a big decision. Do you want him fucking in a sleazy hotel or a neighbor's house? Is the potential risk of being caught by a girl's father worth avoiding the risk of being caught by a cop?
I let my son read your post. He asked me if you were retarded. I corrected him and told him the politically correct term was "mentally challenged".

Either way he's double-fucked, but in at least one event, the guy might just send him on his way.

Personally, I... No. You don't want to know what the hell I was like. You'd never let him leave the house.:rofl:

The sound system is an incredibly important part of the decision that you should be involved in. This is more important than it's ever been, and the car plays a small part in it.

You want that receiver to have Blutooth and voice activated everything.

Drop the cash, man. He'll just think it's cool, but you'll know his navigation, Internet radio, phone calls, and texts are taking place in the air and on the dash instead of in his hand. He won't have an after-market GPS impeding his visibility or becoming a projectile, either.

As for the rest of the system, let it be his business.

In order for Blutooth to work properly, you'll need a car that's decently quiet; and that means avoiding all the suggestions of old Land Rovers or out of date pickups. This is a new world, with new threats. Everyone needs a smart phone these days to remain relevant without too much effort, and the easiest way to keep it out of their hand is a fancy receiver.

I'd consider safety, as well. A Jeep is not safe. A Volvo is safe, but not necessarily cool unless it's a slightly newer model. The difference can be split somewhere by adjusting model years and vehicle types. The safer, slightly modern vehicles will land lower insurance premiums, which will take the shock out of a higher sticker price.

A great way to have a bit of control over his life without him noticing is very calculated manipulation during the first vehicle purchase. It might cost you a bit more, but you'll know you are probably avoiding a few talks and arguments simply by making certain actions easier decisions, and he'll feel more free.

With the performance training under his belt, he'll be more likely to survive stupidity.

Cheers,

Kennith
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I let my son read your post. He asked me if you were retarded. I explained to him that the politically correct term was "mentally challenged".
 
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Some Dude said:
This thread has me searching for 240s again.

This was my $150 240 turbo wagon:

FZELXCb.jpg


That thing had the electronic overdrive but some previous owner had hacked up the wiring disabling the OD lockout in gears 1-3, so I could effectively drive that thing as an 8 speed. 3.5 was a nice gear for descending shallow hills.
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Now only the Virgo wheels are at least twice as much!
 
kennith

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Devildog01 said:
I let my son read your post. He asked me if you were retarded. I explained to him that the politically correct term was "mentally challenged".
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Yeah.

Why don't you go suck Chapman's shit-covered yellow cock again, instead of having a crack at a post that goes beyond "what my daddy did for me back in the day when everything was sunshine and apples", and into a bit more of how people actually behave.

Go ahead. Get your kid a car nobody else wants to ride in, or simply won't fit in. Hear the tale of him riding off into the sunset with someone you don't know, who's less responsible, behind the wheel of a poorly maintained car full of ass-hats making noise.

Make sure it's so piss-poor with gas he won't be able to drive even if people are willing to get in.

Be sure his vehicle doesn't have any form of hands-free capability, while you're at it. Slap a touch screen GPS on his windshield to obscure his vision and drop and a phone in his hands to keep him distracted.

Pick up a Wrangler so he'll roll it on it's ass when he's headed down the road in the rain doing something stupid, and be sure to show him how fun it is to drive around with the doors off. Hell, why stop there? Get him a Samurai, so he'll roll over when he's running away from some bitches father who just kicked his ass, and just get the hospital bills out of the way sooner.

I've got a confession to make: I don't actually give a fuck about your kid. He's not my problem. I don't care what happens to him, I don't care how you'll feel about it, and I won't lose a wink of sleep over the affair. Let him read that.

Then he can laugh, point out whatever silliness you observe, and continue in his attempts to placate you during this time of decision.

I may not attend large social events, and I may not like too many people, but I wouldn't have accomplished half of what I've done if I didn't understand them; I certainly wouldn't have walked away from it. I'm not great at many things, but I'm damned sure enough great at observation and manipulation in life.

So, have another crack at me, laugh with Chapman, and buy your kid that Samurai. Toss away one of the only genuinely third party observations here, which are a valuable sort. I'm only telling it like it is; not because I'm trying to help, not because I care, but because I happen to enjoy typing things on Discoweb.

Cheers,

Kennith
 
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