for all of you Iphone lovers I have 2 words DROID "X" 
( who cares about video conferencing ) :smilelol:
( who cares about video conferencing ) :smilelol:
Apple iPad in Disco
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DiscoNomad said:
Sounds like you are the moron for not selling one to them for $1000.
I've seen videos of iPad installs into other vehicles and I think the iPad takes up too much space on the dash, blocks too many other things. Also I am the kinda person that would dismount something like that everytime I got out of the vehicle to hide it. Too much trouble for me.
Hopefully an Android-based touch pad will come out soon to mix it up a little bit. The lack of flexibility of the iPad is what holds me back...
Oh and the high price tag too.
Rugbier said:for all of you Iphone lovers I have 2 words DROID "X"
( who cares about video conferencing ) :smilelol:
Not bashing the DroidX.... it's a very good phone. ...but IMHO, the iPhone 4 is better, for a wide variety of reasons.
ArmyRover said:
You know how the media likes to hop on something... most smartphones have the same "deathgrip" issues. I've had ZERO signal issues with my iPhone 4. I don't naturally hold it in such a way as to bridge the antennas.
I wasn't knocking Apple, I was knocking the people who think they are the shit. Like you.knewsom said:
Apple will not run the software I need to work. Oh wait! I can run Windows or Linux on an Apple platform so I guess it doesn't suck that much.
Yes Apple, please decide what "apps" are good for me to use. I will continue to vote socialist.
The iTard 4 is in no way better than the Droid. Not even close.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg&feature=player_embedded
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knewsom said:
Does your Obama sock puppet get jealous when it sees you humping your Steve Jobs sock puppet? Just wondering...
:applause: :smilelol:bigred said:
:rofl:
my neighbor has the Iphone 4 and has reception issues.
I question the usability of an iPad GPS when navigating anywhere but the city streets. I see several problems with it:
Navigating by GPS often leads to blind trust of the device. You lose spatial orientation and you stop doing terrain association. If there are errors with the maps, the software, or the device, you may not catch them.
Using a truck-mounted iPad while driving is a distraction and could lead to running off the road, roll-overs, collisions, etc.
By using these devices, you are missing out on a good chance to practice important land navigation skills like proper compass handling, map reading, intersection, resection, terrain association and dead reckoning. These are skills that can save your life when all of your electronics fail.
Navigating by GPS often leads to blind trust of the device. You lose spatial orientation and you stop doing terrain association. If there are errors with the maps, the software, or the device, you may not catch them.
Using a truck-mounted iPad while driving is a distraction and could lead to running off the road, roll-overs, collisions, etc.
By using these devices, you are missing out on a good chance to practice important land navigation skills like proper compass handling, map reading, intersection, resection, terrain association and dead reckoning. These are skills that can save your life when all of your electronics fail.
What do you do with Google Maps when you are out of a service area? Like... when you go around the corner.
rovercanus said:
Apple does not control what software is developed for their Computer Operating System (Mac OSX). The fact that the software you need for work is not available on Mac OS is not a function of Apple's purported "suckage", and IS a function of the developer's lack of desire to develop a Mac version of said software. It has ZERO to do with Apple, and EVERYTHING to do with the developer. Don't blame Apple for your developer's lack of support.
D Chapman said:
Gee an idiot wants to buy an iPhone 4, therefore everyone who likes the iPhone 4 must be an idiot. SHATTERING logic there Dan. Let's see, better camera quality, better display quality, far more amazing and stable apps, easy sync with itunes, tons of high-quality accessories, untouchably good industrial design, a gorgeous and snappy OS, a phenomenal web browser.... I'm failing to see the "issue".
BigRed - I'm not exactly a "fanboy". There are those out there who fawn over every single Apple product, and I am not one of them. You'll notice that I don't have an iPad, and have no plans to buy one. Id' rather have an iPhone, which does most everything an iPad does, AND it fits in my pocket. If I want to do something with my iPhone that is not officially supported, I jailbreak and go right ahead and do it. Pretty danged simple. Hell, I even built a Hackintosh because I couldn't buy a Mac with the features I wanted at an appropriate price-point. It was overkill with a Mac Pro, or a totally underpowered iMac at the time, so the decision was simple. The iMac has come a long way since then, so I bought one and gave the Hackintosh to my sister-in-law.
The irony of all this is that you guys are LAND ROVER drivers bashing on APPLE users. I mean come on... pot-kettle much?
RBBailey said:
I use Navigon for navigation, all the maps are in the app itself. ....and I have service most places - I recently drove from here to harper's ferry via backroads, and had 3G coverage the entire way. I ALSO recently drove across the entire fucking country and had service the whole way. I've had other carriers in the past - T-Mobile, Sprint.... both sucked ass compared to ATT.
chris snell said:
Excellent point, but this logic can be used with ALL such devices - but one benefit of HAVING said devices, especially when offroading, is the ability to view topographical maps which can actually AID in terrain association.
I used google navigation to get me from Will's to Crown's to home. I was really impressed with how well it worked from my phone. I had a real map in my bag should I need it.
I did like the traffic updates and the rerouting to miss the traffic. All in all I was very impressed and I'm starting to understand why people like the "Smart Phone" thing. My old phone made phone calls nothing more. Still don't get texting though.
I did like the traffic updates and the rerouting to miss the traffic. All in all I was very impressed and I'm starting to understand why people like the "Smart Phone" thing. My old phone made phone calls nothing more. Still don't get texting though.
knewsom said:
You're stuck in the more-is-better mentality. That's no different from the more-is-better mentality people have with Land Rovers. I.E. more candle power in the headlights must be better, even if the heat cracks the lens; 5" lift must be better than a 2" because you can fit a bigger tire; the bigger your axle diameter is the stronger your axles must be, even if that means they're not a waisted design. More is better.
Apple has over One-hundred-thousand apps, so Apple must be better than the fifty-thousand Apps Droid has. But people fail to see the quality vs quantity logic.
- Refunds. Apple will not refund you money if the App sucks dick. Driod will.
- Android and Google do not take advantage of developers. Sure, Apple has a lot of applications, but once you get past the fart applications, the people who build them are being treated unfairly.
- Apps2SD. In short, load up your SD cards with as many applications as you want, and swap the card out for others. You can then have an unlimited catalog of applications for your phone. Of course, Apple products do not have removable storage, so this is not even an option with a software upgrade
- Your iPhone applications have to compete with music just for storage space, meaning that you can have far fewer total applications. You can grab three 16 gigabyte microSD cards for $90 and stack on nearly 50 gigabytes before lunch if you use Android.
- No jacket required
- Like Microsoft, Google is offering an OS (albeit one that is license-free) that will run on multiple vendors' hardware. Apple, as usual, is being Apple, keeping tight control of both the operating system and the hardware it runs on.
The iPhone is not the best phone on the market. AT&T is not the best provider in the business. The two together have a killer marketing team that revels Frigidaire, Coke, or Band-Aid. When people think smartphone, they think iPhone; or when people think MP3 player, they think iPod. Apple wins hands down in the marketing department. But their products are not the best available.
Jesus what a responce guys...
Anyway to answer some real questions...the iPad GPS works very well when there is no cell signal which represents 90% of the locations I like to travel (sierras, etc.) I mean it's not the most accurate but I'd say it finds me within 20 feet in under 10 seconds. It seems to get more accurate when you are moving. If I take it out side of the truck then it's impressively accurate. But what really matters is that when you don't have wifi or 3G your not out of luck because the apps I use store the topo maps and sat images local to the app for use when not in service. Say what you want but it's a great tool for off road navigation...along with common sense and a good back up...obviously.
Also, from the photos you can see that i still have a Garmin 376C which i know mostly use for APRS and a backup.
Anyway to answer some real questions...the iPad GPS works very well when there is no cell signal which represents 90% of the locations I like to travel (sierras, etc.) I mean it's not the most accurate but I'd say it finds me within 20 feet in under 10 seconds. It seems to get more accurate when you are moving. If I take it out side of the truck then it's impressively accurate. But what really matters is that when you don't have wifi or 3G your not out of luck because the apps I use store the topo maps and sat images local to the app for use when not in service. Say what you want but it's a great tool for off road navigation...along with common sense and a good back up...obviously.
Also, from the photos you can see that i still have a Garmin 376C which i know mostly use for APRS and a backup.
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Sure does feel like Apple is repeating past strategic errors by keeping it a mostly closed environment. Some are fighting back but overall Apple's strategy is similar to the Mac/Windows days.
From what I've read Android's Froyo levels the playing field. Google's open developer culture will enable them to surpass Apple down the road.
From what I've read Android's Froyo levels the playing field. Google's open developer culture will enable them to surpass Apple down the road.
I don't know Kris, you are been bias on the Iphone.
I am almost 99.9% than other than the silly Video Conf, it has nothing on the X.
Not to mention, if you buy an IPhone you are limited by the GB you bought, on the other hand the X comes with 8gb internal and SD card ( let say put a 32gb )..
I am almost 99.9% than other than the silly Video Conf, it has nothing on the X.
Not to mention, if you buy an IPhone you are limited by the GB you bought, on the other hand the X comes with 8gb internal and SD card ( let say put a 32gb )..
knewsom said:
Wow, you totally missed my point. Do you even know what terrain association is? Having these devices does NOT improve terrain association whatsoever. Terrain association is the ability to step out of your truck and take a paper map and be able to determine your position. Referencing a GPS has nothing to do with terrain association; the whole point is to put down the GPS and rely on some basic terrain-reading and map-reading skills.
I see a lot in the Army. The Playstation 3 generation of soldiers tend to put full faith in electronic devices. They don't realize that these devices can and will let you down. Whether it's poor GPS reception due to trees or errors caused by the inaccurate rendering of a flat 2-D map to the Earth's uneven 3-D surface, these errors do happen. Worse than an error is a total electronics failure due to a dead battery, water-damaged device, etc. If you're in that situation and you haven't learned and practiced terrain association and real map-and-compass land navigation, you can be quite fucked.
A classic example of over-reliance on GPS is the An Nasiriyah ambush that made Jessica Lynch a household name. An excerpt from a summarized version of the AAR:
The Operations Officer of the 3d FSB gave CPT King, the commander of the 507th, a CD-ROM disc that contained orders and route information. Route information consisted of the battalion orders briefing and annotated large-scale maps. The 507th had commercial Global Positioning Systems (GPS) (Garmin, ETREX VISTA), (FIGURE 2), which had been issued in the United States prior to deployment. The GPS gave CPT King directional signals via a display arrow that indicated the direction and distance the convoy should go. Five additional GPS were distributed to other leaders in the company. The unit was also issued 1:100,000 scale maps of the area of operations-- the theater standard. The review of this incident revealed that CPT King relied primarily on his GPS and one of the annotated maps from the orders brief while traveling in his HMMWV
When the shit went down, CPT King couldn't effectively lead his soldiers back to safety because he had lost all spatial orientation. He was focusing on his GPS instead of the terrain and situation around him. A tragic mistake that cost eleven soldiers their lives.
Put the iPad away, get a lensatic compass and a topo quad and learn how to navigate the old fashioned way. It takes time to learn these skills and practice to retain them. That mapping app isn't going to teach you.