End of my Land Rover days...
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seanmcd said:Exactly how did they rape me? Perhaps I am not in a position to fix it myself? Maybe I just didn't feel like dumping any more money into a truck that has served me well but had some issues that would have caused me considerable repair costs in the future?
Do you know how much they settled for, what they paid me for the loss?
Without knowing that figure, I find it a little ridiculous for you to say they raped me.
But hey, this is Dweb, land of knowitalls with strong opinions based on speculation and a quick "google search". Don't change man.
You are right, I have no idea how much they paid you.
But I'm going to take a stab at it anyway, lets say 100,000 miles on your 2003 SE7, private party sale is around $10,000.
But they totaled it, the cost to repair it is no wheres near that, even at dealer prices.
So how was it totaled?
That hit was not hard enough to do frame damage, the radiator is not crushed.
Nice Rubicon. Enjoy it. Nice low miles, good $ deal (where I live this would be a very good Jeep deal), and roll-up windows to boot. Revere your Rover days with nostalgia and a sense of loss but enjoy your Jeeping days to come. I'm with you in that LR3 and LR4's do nothing to excite me. Sorry your rovering days had to come to such an abrupt and dramatic close. My many Jeeper friends enjoy their Jeeps as much as I enjoy my now scraggly beat up D1. They enjoy jeeping with me while I enjoy rovering with them. One does not preclude the other. Sometimes we ride with each other when we ourselves just want to go out for the views and don't feel like driving but rather just be scenery passengers. Enjoy your jeep but mourn your rover as all of us should mourn the loss of a companion of exploration.seanmcd said:That's a really good question worthy of a good answer. I really don't like the styling of the LR3 or LR4, to me they look nondescript and bland. Add to that the cost of buying a LR3 compared to an equivilant SUV and it is really not that interesting to me.
Personally I think Land Rover's are good vehicles but very expensive to repair and service. I like the older Discos and if they made them today I would buy one in a second. The problem is I can only afford to own a Land Rover as long as I can repair it myself.
Add to that the fact that my daughter will be going away to college soon and as easy as it is to fix the Disco in my garage every few weeks it is not so easy to fix it when it is 200 miles away in the campus parking lot. My choices then are what? Take it the local stealer? Find a local 'expert'? Yeah, not so much.
Just imagine if the crankshaft Position Sensor goes out and I have to have it towed to the dealer for diagnostic and repair? Or if the central locking goes into short curcuit mode and goes super lock on my kid? It is just too much to think about if I can't put it in my garage, log onto D-web and spend hours searching for the answers to the secret of Land Rover Life....
I personally think that Land Rover has really hurt their brand by making their product so damn expensive to repair and maintain. I don't trust ANY of the 4 Rover dealers I have ever dealt with, in my opinion they are not honest and interested in seperating me from my wallet.
If I could find a super clean 04 Disco I would buy it but I looked and looked and could only find a 03 with 40k for $19,000! WTF!
SO that's my long rambling answer, I love Rovers but if I can't fix them myself they are no good to me.
This is the new rig, 2007 Jeep Rubicon 4 door. 37k miles, roll up windows, no power locks, 6 speed tranny, and V6 that can serviced at the local Mopar stealer. I paid $15,900 for it with a aftermarket warranty.
I hope that answered your question.
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Spike555 said:
It was a 03 HSE7, with 150k miles on it. Was in good condition, for a 10 year old car with 150k miles. But dude, itwas not worth anywhere NEAR $10,000! Seriously, that's crazy man. Look around, look here on Dweb, that's about double what it was really worth.
Here is the NADA values, KBB is very similar.
Rough trade Average Trade Clean Trade Clean retail
<table class="tbl-pricing used-pricing"><tbody><tr class="tbl-pricing-total"><td>$1,925</td><td> $3,125</td><td> $4,125</td><td> $6,525
</td></tr></tbody></table>
Ok so what I knew about the car but the adjuster didn't know was that I had done the head gasket a few years ago, it was at least the second time the heads had been off. The transfer case leaked, there was an oil leak around the front of the motor, probably the timing chain.
There was an electrical drain that I traced to the ABS system, the car would draw a new battery down in 2 days if it wasn't started and idled.
The headliner was falling down, the ACE system was not working, I had removed the ACE pump due to a significant leak. The CEL light would come on every month or so, usually P327, P455.
What else, the usualy trim pieces broken, the Alarm system would act up now and then and go into super lock, there was a decent clunk from the tranny/transfer case that was getting worse....
Dude the list goes on and on. It was a GOOD TRUCK, for a 10 year old Land Rover with 150k. It was not a $10,000 truck, not even close. The radiator was crushed, the condensor was also crushed, the rest of the damage is pretty evident from the picture.
Could it have been fixed? Absolutely, if you had time and wanted to scour the net for parts and whatnot.
To me, I would like to have kept it but for what they gave me to settle it was an easy decision to take the check and move on. I know Rovers pretty well, not like Schram or some of the experts, but well enough to know when to take the money and run.
That's what I did. Be cool man, it's just the internet. :victory:
seanmcd said:
See, thats all you had to do, you went off on me not me on you.
I was generous on the miles, obviously, I knew it was a '03 SE7.
With the radiator and condenser crushed, even though it does not look like it in the pic but I believe you, I can see why it was totaled.
I know a guy who owns a salvage yard, he bought a front end damaged '01 Disco, looked just like yours, he bought it for $1000 from auction out of Chicago, brand new tires, just serviced at the dealer, under 120k.
Put $1,000 in parts and paint, drove it for 3 months, sold it for $6500 and it was a SD!!
Here is a copy/paste of the estimate to repair. This includes some used parts the adjuster was able to locate after I asked him to re-estimate with used parts. I wanted to try to make it work so he took the time to make calls and get salvage parts.
Even with that here are the numbers...
ESTIMATE TOTALS
Category Basis Rate Cost $
Parts 3,404.13
Parts Discount $ 2,227.23 -5.0 % -111.36
Body Labor 22.1 hrs @ $ 42.00 /hr 928.20
Paint Labor 13.3 hrs @ $ 42.00 /hr 558.60
Frame Labor 2.5 hrs @ $ 42.00 /hr 105.00
Paint Supplies 13.3 hrs @ $ 24.00 /hr 319.20
Subtotal 5,203.77
Sales Tax Tier 1 $ 5,000.00 @ 7.0000 % 350.00
Sales Tax Tier 2 $ 203.77 @ 6.0000 % 12.23
Total Cost of Repairs 5,566.00
Deductible 500.00
Total Adjustments 500.00
Net Cost of Repairs 5,066.00
Even with that here are the numbers...
ESTIMATE TOTALS
Category Basis Rate Cost $
Parts 3,404.13
Parts Discount $ 2,227.23 -5.0 % -111.36
Body Labor 22.1 hrs @ $ 42.00 /hr 928.20
Paint Labor 13.3 hrs @ $ 42.00 /hr 558.60
Frame Labor 2.5 hrs @ $ 42.00 /hr 105.00
Paint Supplies 13.3 hrs @ $ 24.00 /hr 319.20
Subtotal 5,203.77
Sales Tax Tier 1 $ 5,000.00 @ 7.0000 % 350.00
Sales Tax Tier 2 $ 203.77 @ 6.0000 % 12.23
Total Cost of Repairs 5,566.00
Deductible 500.00
Total Adjustments 500.00
Net Cost of Repairs 5,066.00
Spike555 said:
Its cool man, no harm no foul.
What I REALLY wanted to do was take the settlement check, buy my daughter the Jeep AND buy my Disco back and fix it myself when I had time to work on it.
THAT would have been win-win-win! But time is short, I have 2 kids in college and another on the way. Money is tight, time is even tighter.
Someone somewhere will get a good deal and when they do I hope they take the passenger door apart and marvel at the ghetto repair I did on the window regulator or wonder why there is no ACE pump even though it clearly is ACE equiped.... lol
Often, you have the ability to select a repair shop.
A family member recently rear-ended another vehicle while driving his 2000 Infiniti G20T.
I shit you not, the only damage was a slightly bent radiator support, hood catch (which still worked), and the hood itself. Sure, some paint was needed, but that was it.
The car was perfectly drivable. No mechanical damage at all. As far as I was concerned, I was looking at $200. There is no question at all that I could have solved every one of those problems with my bare fucking hands, (though the hood wouldn't have been perfect). I've sorted worse body issues with muscle alone.
State Farm treated him well, and towed the car to a body shop.
I came along for the ride, to be sure the paperwork was in order. We brought out the fellow to look over the vehicle, and eventually he came back with a tentative quote (later proving to be the actual charged amount), which was well over $3,000.
Man, my jaw hit the floor.
I saw that as wonderful justification for entertaining myself, but the person I was with knew it was coming so he insisted that we leave.
Once all the money had moved, the car was repaired, and I was sure I wouldn't fuck up anyone's chi, I called State Farm and reported the shop.
State Farm was very helpful throughout the process, or so I understand. The outrageous repair cost was not their doing. The owner of the car found out too late that he had the option to pick another shop for a quote. Luckily, the car wasn't totaled either way.
The same thing happened every time my Jag has been hit in parking lots (I now take up four spaces). The first time, the front wing was bent at the rear. A few hours of actual body work would have sorted it. That's what I specifically told them to do.
I came back to a new panel, that didn't even fit properly (1/2" panel gap in one area), and suffered no shortage of orange peel. They wanted $2,000 for the repair. When I asked why, they said they replaced it with a Genuine Jaguar wing, purchased at the parts counter from a Jaguar Dealership.
Yeah...
I called him a liar, and illustrated that a liar is automatically a coward. A single tail lamp on that car, used, costs upwards of $600 (trust me, I know). A used door handle can be $350. So how, I wonder, did he expect me to believe he picked up a brand new Genuine panel, from the dealership, for less than the $2,000 total cost of the repair. It was aftermarket shit and he knew it.
This is a situation where the repair should indeed have been at least $5,000. To make matters worse, he scrapped the original panel! I'm sentimental about original parts on cars, when I don't plan to improve those parts.
There was nothing I could do about it at that point, so I told him that sooner or later, I'd have it repaired properly, with a real Genuine panel and a proper paint job. He didn't seem phased, until I told him I'm going to bring him the bill.
As soon as I find my Mexicans again, I'll buy the panel and have them go at it. Once I get the cash back on the panel, I'm going to charge him his own labor rate for their time; giving them every single red cent of it. They deserve it.
He knows it's coming.
That reminds me of the time a shop came very close to charging someone $3,000 for a "new" 4.0 RV8, top to bottom, because their old one was beyond repair. First off, I think we all know you can't get a new RV8 for $3,000. Second, the damage was limited to stripped head threads. I gave it $50.00 of Heli-Coil, and everything was good.
I don't involve myself in collisions, but I have routinely dealt with them when someone I know does something stupid. I make sure they get the car back, and either I sell it for them or find a nice place to fix it.
Quite often, it's better just to go through the motions as the law requires, don't ask for money, and simply fix the damned thing yourself.
That Discovery could have been saved with the help of the community's used parts network and some time or a nice local mechanic, and would certainly have been repairable for less than it's value.
I hate to see that happen.
Cheers,
Kennith
A family member recently rear-ended another vehicle while driving his 2000 Infiniti G20T.
I shit you not, the only damage was a slightly bent radiator support, hood catch (which still worked), and the hood itself. Sure, some paint was needed, but that was it.
The car was perfectly drivable. No mechanical damage at all. As far as I was concerned, I was looking at $200. There is no question at all that I could have solved every one of those problems with my bare fucking hands, (though the hood wouldn't have been perfect). I've sorted worse body issues with muscle alone.
State Farm treated him well, and towed the car to a body shop.
I came along for the ride, to be sure the paperwork was in order. We brought out the fellow to look over the vehicle, and eventually he came back with a tentative quote (later proving to be the actual charged amount), which was well over $3,000.
Man, my jaw hit the floor.
I saw that as wonderful justification for entertaining myself, but the person I was with knew it was coming so he insisted that we leave.
Once all the money had moved, the car was repaired, and I was sure I wouldn't fuck up anyone's chi, I called State Farm and reported the shop.
State Farm was very helpful throughout the process, or so I understand. The outrageous repair cost was not their doing. The owner of the car found out too late that he had the option to pick another shop for a quote. Luckily, the car wasn't totaled either way.
The same thing happened every time my Jag has been hit in parking lots (I now take up four spaces). The first time, the front wing was bent at the rear. A few hours of actual body work would have sorted it. That's what I specifically told them to do.
I came back to a new panel, that didn't even fit properly (1/2" panel gap in one area), and suffered no shortage of orange peel. They wanted $2,000 for the repair. When I asked why, they said they replaced it with a Genuine Jaguar wing, purchased at the parts counter from a Jaguar Dealership.
Yeah...
I called him a liar, and illustrated that a liar is automatically a coward. A single tail lamp on that car, used, costs upwards of $600 (trust me, I know). A used door handle can be $350. So how, I wonder, did he expect me to believe he picked up a brand new Genuine panel, from the dealership, for less than the $2,000 total cost of the repair. It was aftermarket shit and he knew it.
This is a situation where the repair should indeed have been at least $5,000. To make matters worse, he scrapped the original panel! I'm sentimental about original parts on cars, when I don't plan to improve those parts.
There was nothing I could do about it at that point, so I told him that sooner or later, I'd have it repaired properly, with a real Genuine panel and a proper paint job. He didn't seem phased, until I told him I'm going to bring him the bill.
As soon as I find my Mexicans again, I'll buy the panel and have them go at it. Once I get the cash back on the panel, I'm going to charge him his own labor rate for their time; giving them every single red cent of it. They deserve it.
He knows it's coming.
That reminds me of the time a shop came very close to charging someone $3,000 for a "new" 4.0 RV8, top to bottom, because their old one was beyond repair. First off, I think we all know you can't get a new RV8 for $3,000. Second, the damage was limited to stripped head threads. I gave it $50.00 of Heli-Coil, and everything was good.
I don't involve myself in collisions, but I have routinely dealt with them when someone I know does something stupid. I make sure they get the car back, and either I sell it for them or find a nice place to fix it.
Quite often, it's better just to go through the motions as the law requires, don't ask for money, and simply fix the damned thing yourself.
That Discovery could have been saved with the help of the community's used parts network and some time or a nice local mechanic, and would certainly have been repairable for less than it's value.
I hate to see that happen.
Cheers,
Kennith
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I had my windshield replaced, I have glass coverage.
The glass shop knocked my headliner down, they had to pay to replace it, it had to be ordered from Land Rover itself in the UK.
$1200 and I had a brand new headliner at no cost to me.
The glass shop knocked my headliner down, they had to pay to replace it, it had to be ordered from Land Rover itself in the UK.
$1200 and I had a brand new headliner at no cost to me.
seanmcd said:Sorry man, I DO NOT have the vehicle anymore. It was towed to a yard where the insurance adjuster looked at it the next day and it was gone later that evening. I never had a chance to buy it or do anything but get my kids personal stuff from inside.
I DO have a like new 2003 Disco HSE7 manual that happened to be on my workshop table when it was crashed. I can sell that if anyone is interested.
It has all manuals to include the Navigation manual and Nav CD.
Other than that, I can't sell anything cause I don't have it.
Call Marty!
seanmcd said:
Nobody important, at this point.* :rofl:
Cheers,
Kennith
*Marty goes by Drillbit here. He supplies used parts, and could have kept your Discovery on the road at a very low price, as a result.
I understand where the op is coming from when he just let the truck go.
I still have full coverage on my '01 D2. If it was totaled, I'd take the check and begin searching for a cherry D1 with no mods and no sunroofs.
I still have full coverage on my '01 D2. If it was totaled, I'd take the check and begin searching for a cherry D1 with no mods and no sunroofs.