Hey Dan...got a good dry rub recipe you want to share...

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i use byrons butt rub, raging river, Wil's BBQ Sauce and sprayed with apple cider vinegar and apple juice mixture. smoke with apple wood chunks on lava rock
 

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i use byrons butt rub, raging river, Wil's BBQ Sauce and sprayed with apple cider vinegar and apple juice mixture. smoke with apple wood chunks on lava rock


Any particular flavors stand out when using that rub (sweet vs. smoething else, etc.)? Have been mixing my rubs so far, so just curious how good this one was.
 

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So, I just got the Wicked Good Barbecue book (that Dan recommended earlier) yesterday, and it is full of great-looking recipes. Looking through a few pointers and suggestions contained in the book, I have a few questions that maybe Dan or anyone with experience can answer:

1. Given I currently have a cheap vertical (offset) smoker I got from Lowe's just to try this whole BBQ thing out, what would be the best next upgrade for the $$$? I have looked at a few smokers the guys list in the book, but they are pretty pricy. I understand the benefits of a heavier duty, more insulated, etc. smoker, but is something like a Weber Smokey Mountain smoker, worth considering as an upgrade to the current setup? They only thing with that one (22.5in) is that it is still in the high $300s. Or am I just better off spending a $1k or so and getting something (like a Backwoods Smoker) that will keep the temps much steadier and be a good long-lasting smoker?

2. How much wood to use? I have been going through quite a bit on mine as I have used about a 50/50 coal/wood mix and am wondering if cutting back on wood will make a difference. I suppose it depends on the type of smoker one uses (from what I gather thus far), but what is the preferred mix of hardwood lump coal vs. wood?
 
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Nothing at all wrong with a WSM. A guy on my competition team uses one all the time at home, and I got my B-I-L hooked up with one two Christmases ago. Great smokers.

The difference between a WSM and something like a Big Green Egg, for example, is the insulation. The WSM will use far more fuel than a WSM, and the Egg will be easier to maintain a consistent temp. That being said, you can use an insulated blanket designed for a hot water heater on the WSM if you're cooking when it's cold or windy.

Another great item to get with a WSM is a BBQ Guru. It's basically a small computer connected to a computer fan that will regulate your fire for you. It will add O2 as needed or take it away to make your fire hotter or not so hot. Really neat equipment that works really well. I use these on my Backwoods.

Cheaper yet, look into making your own smoker. Check out Big Poppa Smokers website and peep his Ugly Drum Smoker (UDS) kits. Again, it's an uninsulated smoker but they work great.

The bigger money smokers, typically, only mean more insulation. Course this is just a general statement. Backwoods, Pit Maker, Stumps....are all very well insulated vertical smokers. These type of smoker don't care how hard the wind is blowing or how cold it is outside or if it's raining. Does it make a difference? Sure it does. Do you have to have it? No. But it sure is nice...

As for wood to coal ratio, I don't know. I can tell you what I do but someone else will do it totally different. You just have to learn how your pit cooks and how much smoke complements your food. Some folks are really sensitive to smoke flavors.

In my stick burner I'll use one "log" of wood at a time. By "log" I mean a split piece of firewood about 12" long and roughly 3" in diameter. It's not a big piece, but it's not a small chunk. Also, I do not put the wood directly on the coals. I set the wood about 6-8" away from any flames and just allow it to smolder. I'll shovel enough coal in to maintain whatever temp I'm cooking at using the minion method. In other word, instead of dumping unlit coal onto lit coal, just put the unlit coal beside the lit coal and allow the fire to creep. This results in a cleaner fire with less smoke and the coal lasts longer. In my stick burner I have to check the fire every 45 minutes or so.

In my Backwoods Smokers I use only a few chunks of wood about the size of your fist. Maybe 3 or 4 to 10lbs of coal when cooking butts or brisket. In my Backwoods Pro Jr. this will burn for 10-12 hours untouched.
 

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Any particular flavors stand out when using that rub (sweet vs. smoething else, etc.)? Have been mixing my rubs so far, so just curious how good this one was.

the butt rub is a basic flavor of garlic, onion, paprika and some chipotle, it does give a little kick if you let it make love to the ribs beforehand. the raging river is sweeter and has a bit of citrus. I thought it might go well with the apple wood i was smoking with. Wil's BBQ sauce i picked up when in Buffalo last time, it's sweet and smoky. It was half way decent although I have had better and probably wont buy again.
 

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I made ribs for the first time about a month ago and they turned out pretty good. I'm a city slicker, so I don't know anything about barbecuing.





I want to try cooking a pork butt, but I haven't gotten around to it. I've had Dan's, and it was awesome.
 
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Spicy Beer Candied Smoked Bacon

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Dan do you make your own bacon? if you do, do you use side or belly? That smoked bacon you made at conclave year 1 was ridiculous so I can only dream of what the bacon in that picture tastes like.
 
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I've been buying a lot of pork bellies lately. Finally found a good consistent source with good quality meat. Look for NC hogs and not PA hogs. Something about PA hogs that are crap.

I've been playing around with curing, but found I have some more learning to do. So I don't have anything to add on curing bacon. I've made some good stuff, and I've made some horribly salty shit.

What is good, though, is smoked pork belly. I like to cook it low and slow at 200* with just a simple salt/pepper rub. I don't want to cook the belly really, rather just render the fat soft. Once the internal temp reaches 150* or so I'll pull it off the cooker, cube it, and deep fry it. When eating it you can pretty much feel your heart slowing down. But it's worth it. I sold over 20lbs of fried pork belly last Saturday at a bar. If I had it I probably could have sold another 20lbs.
 

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Anyone got any good scotch eggs recipes that could be done on a grill/smoker?

Dan, have you tried the recipe listed in that Wicked Good BBQ book you recommended earlier? I have never tried making scotch eggs before but will give that recipe a shot, unless someone has a better one.
 

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Got a question on rib stacks - the vertical kind. Since my smoker space is limited, I've been thinking about picking one of those up. I know it's not rocket science and they are easy to use. My question is whether it is worth going this route or just do the ribs horizontally as I have done in the past. For those how have used this any negatives?
 

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Im no master but i used one twice now and I think it works pretty damn well. you have to read some reviews because some of them i have read people complained that the racks of ribs touched depending on the design of the stack.
 

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how about brisket? make a mixed rub or just salt and pepper? i did my first yesterday and used a rub of garlic powder, onion powder, cumin, chili powder, ground mustard, pepper, salt, crushed cayenne, and brown sugar. my cousin yelled at me and said he just uses salt and pepper if he is feeling crazy he will throw lawry's seasoning salt in 1:1:1
 

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how about brisket? make a mixed rub or just salt and pepper? i did my first yesterday and used a rub of garlic powder, onion powder, cumin, chili powder, ground mustard, pepper, salt, crushed cayenne, and brown sugar. my cousin yelled at me and said he just uses salt and pepper if he is feeling crazy he will throw lawry's seasoning salt in 1:1:1


Been a while since I have done brisket, but last few times I ve used Oklahoma Joe's rub. In my opinion it turns out good (a bit of a celery. Hint from celery salt); i d just rather smoke flank steak since it comes out way more juicier and more flavorful and takes half the time. Like it just absorbs smoke and rub better. I have done the Memphis Dust recipe that IIRC i put up here earlier and i like that one much better. Yet to try it on a brisket, but it came out great on ribs and boston butt. I am sticking with that one for now but am curious to try the recipes in that bbq book Dan recommended earlier.

Never tried just salt and pepper, but can say that rubs i have tried to date have had quite a few other ingredients in them; nothing over the top, but you could still get a great taste of various spices. Plus imo it helps with the crust.

P.S. Thanks for the rack feedback. Looking to maximize cooking space.
 
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Been a while since I have done brisket, but last few times I ve used Oklahoma Joe's rub. In my opinion it turns out good (a bit of a celery. Hint from celery salt); i d just rather smoke flank steak since it comes out way more juicier and more flavorful and takes half the time. Like it just absorbs smoke and rub better. I have done the Memphis Dust recipe that IIRC i put up here earlier and i like that one much better. Yet to try it on a brisket, but it came out great on ribs and boston butt. I am sticking with that one for now but am curious to try the recipes in that bbq book Dan recommended earlier.

Never tried just salt and pepper, but can say that rubs i have tried to date have had quite a few other ingredients in them; nothing over the top, but you could still get a great taste of various spices. Plus imo it helps with the crust.

If you're not getting juicy brisket you're doing something wrong. Briskets have a lot of fat on them. Fat equals a lot juice. I'd be curious to know your cooking method.

I wonder if you're only cooking a flat and not a whole packer.
 

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Got a question on rib stacks - the vertical kind. Since my smoker space is limited, I've been thinking about picking one of those up. I know it's not rocket science and they are easy to use. My question is whether it is worth going this route or just do the ribs horizontally as I have done in the past. For those how have used this any negatives?

I'm not a fan of the vertical racks. I've only used mine a few times and it's a pain to baste & put on the final sauce. If you were to do just a dry rub then I think they would be great for increasing space.