Gun 'style' in the media

kennith · Mar 7, 2018

Rob371 said:
I think calling them weapons suggests intent.

The AR was originally produced as a hunting and sporting rifle. Military and Law enforcement took it up because of it's tactical aspects.

I have several firearms. I don't consider them weapons. They are locked in a cabinet 98% of the time, maybe even 99%. Would you consider a fishing pole a weapon? Neither would I. It's a ridiculous argument isn't it, but a firearm used for putting food on the dinner table does not equate to a weapon in my view. Occasionally I just enjoy a little target shooting or even some skeet with a few friends. There's nothing malicious about it.

If I lived in a high crime area then I might have a different view and I would probably have more firearms for self defense and for a deterrent.

As suggested here previously by another, some dip shit goes on a rampage and the rest of us law abiding citizens get punished.

That's not intended to trivialize lives lost. As a parent a dread to consider the possibility.

Intentional irony? Yes, you caught me. I think enthusiasts, sportsmen, and groups like the NRA could and should do better at playing the game of re branding.

Some of us have to make a conscious effort to avoid calling a firearm a weapon.

In the military, it's beat into your head that it is NOT a gun.

Guns are on tanks, ships, and self-powered artillery vehicles. If you carry it in your hands, it's a weapon.

It takes a very long time for that to go away, and even when it does, you get this little "internal warning" every time you try to use the word "gun".

That is the single reason I type firearm as much as I do. I hate typing gun, and weapon doesn't give the right message these days.

Cheers,

Kennith

SCSL · Mar 7, 2018

mjbrox said:
YAn AR-15 sure as fuck is not a hunting rifle.

That's absurd. An AR-15 is one of the best hog hunting rifles out there. Ever hunted an area infested with feral pigs? Do so and you'll understand why. It's also a great varmint rifle: prairie dogs, coyote, etc. Would it make you feel more comfortable if the rifle in question was a wood-stocked Mini-14? There's no difference outside of cosmetics.

You can debate back and forth all you want, but these types of events are made possible with guns like the AR-15.

Now you're just being irrational. Ever hear of Charles Whitman? In fact, here's the complete history of school shootings in the United States going back to 1764:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

mjbrox · Mar 7, 2018

AbnMike said:
I'm confused, what about the design of these other guns that make mass murder possible is different from the hunting rifle?

Let me ask you this then, if you where going deer hunting, which of the two guns would you chose? What if you where going use a gun for a zombie Apocalypse, which one would you chose.

I will say, i did not realize that the AR-15 came in two different styles like that, so you did teach me something

AbnMike · Mar 7, 2018

mjbrox said:
Let me ask you this then, if you where going deer hunting, which of the two guns would you chose? What if you where going use a gun for a zombie Apocalypse, which one would you chose.

I will say, i did not realize that the AR-15 came in two different styles like that, so you did teach me something

Personally I'd choose a wood gun, because I like the look of wood guns. That's really it.

Since it shoots exactly the same as an AR 15 I'd keep it for the zombie apocalypse too.

They shoot exactly the same. No difference. None. Same bullets. Same rate of fire and anything else you wish to throw at it.

One just looks cooler (the wood gun) and one looks gay as fuck like a neckbeard would have wet dreams over (the AR).

But they perform exactly the same. You have to be more careful with wood guns to keep them nice looking and an AR you can throw around in the mud and rain and shit and just wash it off. Wood guns get dings in the grain.

Personally for a zombie apocalypse I'd prefer an automatic weapon, but then blowing through a shit ton of bullets with most of them missing because of the spray pattern would necessitate needing a fuck ton of bullets.

So I guess I'd really prefer an excellent hiding spot and some claymores.

I'd stick to smaller magazines though, because 30 round magazines are more prone to jamming and misfeeding than a smaller capacity magazine.

So actually to lessen mass murders requiring all ARs have a 30 round or more magazine outfitted at all times would accomplish that.

I always preferred lighter smaller magazines and changing them rapidly.

brian4d · Mar 7, 2018

SCSL said:
That's absurd. An AR-15 is one of the best hog hunting rifles out there. Ever hunted an area infested with feral pigs?

Enjoy! Before anyone says anything about this, yes, it's absolutely is 100% necessary.

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SGaynor · Mar 7, 2018

mjbrox said:
I will say, i did not realize that the AR-15 came in two different styles like that, so you did teach me something

IT'S NOT A FUCKING AR!

That's the point. One is an AR-15 (the scary looking black rifle). The other is the Ruger Mini-14.

One is listed for banning in the proposed Democratic "Assault rifle" ban, the other is not (in fact it is explicitly listed as being legal).

But they shoot the same round, from the same size magazine, at the same rate of fire. Why should one be banned and not the other? Because of looks? That's bullshit.

And, yes - words and terminology matter. A lot. When you are writing laws and specify what is/is not legal, one needs to be very explicit it what you are defining. There is no room for, "Well, you know what I mean."

pinkytoe69 · Mar 7, 2018

brian4d said:
Enjoy! Before anyone says anything about this, yes, it's absolutely is 100% necessary.

Maybe they should be men and do it Hawaiian style...just a couple pitbulls and a hunting knife

brian4d · Mar 7, 2018

pinkytoe69 said:
Maybe they should be men and do it Hawaiian style...just a couple pitbulls and a hunting knife

The population grows to fast. I'd be willing to bet Hawaii uses other means as well.

that would make for a good Discovery channel show though.

SGaynor · Mar 7, 2018

pinkytoe69 said:
Maybe they should be men and do it Hawaiian style...just a couple pitbulls and a hunting knife

They do that in Texas too. Except the hunting knife has to be a Bowie knife - the Alamo and all.

brian4d said:
The population grows to fast. I'd be willing to bet Hawaii uses other means as well.

Yeah, it's just a straight up culling operation. I wouldn't be surprised if the just left the carcasses where they fell.

Africa does it often. Even for elephants.

coop74 · Mar 7, 2018

pinkytoe69 said:
I did not realize that. Source?

FBI Crime stats on homicides.

The FBI Uniform Crime Report (UCR) for 2016 shows more than four times as many people were stabbed to death than were killed with rifles of any kind.
And because the category of rifles covers every type of rifle, this means there would be an even greater divide between the number of people stabbed to death versus those shot to death with an AR-15 or similar rifle.

According to FBI: UCR Table 12, there were approximately 374 people shot and killed with rifles of any kind. There were 1,604 people killed with ?knives or cutting instruments.?

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12

coop74 · Mar 7, 2018

mjbrox said:
Yall want to get all technical with names. I have seen people go on and on about Clip vs magazine.

The point is most rational people would like to keep hunting rifles, shotguns and handguns all legal with a background check. What people want to ban is guns that are designed to fire off rounds a rate that make the mass murder possible. They call these types of guns Assault Rifles. what else should they be called? there needs to be a common term. An AR-15 sure as fuck is not a hunting rifle.

You can debate back and forth all you want, but these types of events are made possible with guns like the AR-15.

..... Now, yall will probably call me a gun grabbing snowflake for pointing all this out

An AR-15 is indeed a hunting rifle. It is preferred by many Hog hunters and that rifle maxed out to shoot long distances is also a favorite of the varmit hunting folks. the reason, bullets are cheap. The basic AR15 frame can be modified for many applications from Close quarters fight to a relatively good long range varmit gun. The guys i know who use it to hunt hogs like it because most of the time the hog hunting is to kill off a big group doing crop damage and they have multiple targets.

coop74 · Mar 7, 2018

pinkytoe69 said:
Maybe they should be men and do it Hawaiian style...just a couple pitbulls and a hunting knife

They are not so much hunting those hogs for sport as to kill a heard of pigs that reek havoc on on crops. they are unbelievable destructive and will kill humans given the chance. That is not your run of the mill bacon!

kennith · Mar 7, 2018

mjbrox said:
Let me ask you this then, if you where going deer hunting, which of the two guns would you chose? What if you where going use a gun for a zombie Apocalypse, which one would you chose.

I will say, i did not realize that the AR-15 came in two different styles like that, so you did teach me something

You need to leave the thread and go do some research.

Then we can talk.

At this time, you are simply not qualified to debate the subject. Come back when you are.

Cheers,

Kennith

SCSL · Mar 7, 2018

pinkytoe69 said:
Maybe they should be men and do it Hawaiian style...just a couple pitbulls and a hunting knife

Coincidentally, I just came back from Maui two weeks ago and someone was explaining this to me. I dig it. Hard core. There are some folks down South who hunt this way so I was vaguely familiar with it. However, as cool as it is, this isn?t an effective approach to mainland hog infestation.

SCSL · Mar 7, 2018

kennith said:
You need to leave the thread and go do some research.

Then we can talk.

At this time, you are simply not qualified to debate the subject. Come back when you are.

Cheers,

Kennith

I just wanted to recognize your patience and measured response. Goodness....

wjsj69 · Mar 8, 2018

All the Libtards fall into very smart or very stupid; the stupid/ignorant don't know that an AR is the exact same as any other semi-auto that doesn't look as scary. The smart ones play dumb, but are still trying to get AR's banned bc they know that if accomplished, next will be all semi-auto's. They'll justify it by turning it in their favor by saying the semi-auto's are the same as "assault rifles", so they sb banned as well.

The smart Libs want to have all the power to do anything they want, the stupid ones think that the smart ones will take care of them once they have all the power.

SGaynor · Mar 8, 2018

wjsj69 said:
All the Libtards fall into very smart or very stupid; the stupid/ignorant don't know that an AR is the exact same as any other semi-auto that doesn't look as scary. The smart ones play dumb, but are still trying to get AR's banned bc they know that if accomplished, next will be all semi-auto's. They'll justify it by turning it in their favor by saying the semi-auto's are the same as "assault rifles", so they sb banned as well.

The smart Libs want to have all the power to do anything they want, the stupid ones think that the smart ones will take care of them once they have all the power.

That pretty much sums it up.

ERover82 · Mar 8, 2018

SGaynor said:
But they shoot the same round, from the same size magazine, at the same rate of fire. Why should one be banned and not the other?

Because it feeds an image that people are no longer willing to accept.

Blue · Mar 8, 2018

AbnMike said:
Because it's easier to kill people with a gun. Just is. No one denies that.

If we banned all guns there'd still be millions of them out there, easily accessible. We'd likely see some accidental deaths go bye bye but the homicides would pretty much stay the same, since most of those hand gun homicides are with illegal guns illegally obtained anyway.

Politifact verified that only about 3% of murders committed with guns are committed with legal guns. Those are mostly crimes of passion. We'd likely see them occur with about as much frequency with a gun ban, just with knives or hammers instead.

But see where we are going? At first you didn't realize it, so asked for the source. Then the source was given and now the target is moving again...to the presence of knives v. guns....and then it will move again and again and again because you really think that gun control is going to make a big difference in crime rates.

I think it will too. It will make them increase because criminals fucking love knowing that people are unarmed.

This is really the crux of the issue. It's a battle between the few that consider themselves enlightened and the rest of the human population.

The "enlightened" gun ban crowd is driven mainly by pure emotion with a dash of flawed logic thrown in in a failed effort to sound reasonable and rational. The emotion driver is obvious....someone killed a bunch of innocent people AGAIN with a gun so let's ban all guns! Then they try to throw their version of logic into the mix to back up the emotion but it just doesn't work. Yes we can agree that a modern AR-15 can shoot very quickly. Yes they are black and scary looking. Yes they are the bad guy gun of choice in all the Hollywood movies. So let's finally go ahead and put all makes & models on the table, have countless debates, choose which ones are "assault weapons" and ban them. Or do a comprehensive ban across the board and completely shut down the firearms industry. Or really go all the way and ban them all and have the authorities round up all known firearms and chop them into pieces. Doesn't matter which one you run with, the results will basically be the same.

There, the deed is done, some pompous asshole signed the ban into law to much fanfare, I shared the photo on Facebook, and now we can all enjoy a peaceful and more enlightened society. Because that's what it's really about...the enlightened few just know so much more than the rest of us hairless apes. They interact solely with other enlightened gentry, deciding how to make the world a better place today. Guns are so undignified, so archaic, so primal. We really should have done away with them a long time ago. At least we are the right path now with our new laws banning whatever.

But then, as time goes on, scary gun crime doesn't go away. What the heck? What happened? I thought that stroke of my hero's pen put an end to this? Oh shit, it appears as though not everyone has joined us on the enlightened path. Seems that there are still some fellow humans out there that the enlightened folks don't want to think about....people that don't give a flying fuck about your front-page photo op with asshole signing the bill into law, people that are perfectly willing to grind harder and grind deeper, use a rock to get a knife to get a hold of one of the 100s of millions of illegal firearms so they can continue doing their thing. Oh shit, didn't see that coming.

ERover82 · Mar 8, 2018

Blue said:
This is really the crux of the issue. It's a battle between the few that consider themselves enlightened and the rest of the human population.

The "enlightened" gun ban crowd is driven mainly by pure emotion with a dash of flawed logic thrown in in a failed effort to sound reasonable and rational. The emotion driver is obvious....someone killed a bunch of innocent people AGAIN with a gun so let's ban all guns! Then they try to throw their version of logic into the mix to back up the emotion but it just doesn't work. Yes we can agree that a modern AR-15 can shoot very quickly. Yes they are black and scary looking. Yes they are the bad guy gun of choice in all the Hollywood movies. So let's finally go ahead and put all makes & models on the table, have countless debates, choose which ones are "assault weapons" and ban them. Or do a comprehensive ban across the board and completely shut down the firearms industry. Or really go all the way and ban them all and have the authorities round up all known firearms and chop them into pieces. Doesn't matter which one you run with, the results will basically be the same.

There, the deed is done, some pompous asshole signed the ban into law to much fanfare, I shared the photo on Facebook, and now we can all enjoy a peaceful and more enlightened society. Because that's what it's really about...the enlightened few just know so much more than the rest of us hairless apes. They interact solely with other enlightened gentry, deciding how to make the world a better place today. Guns are so undignified, so archaic, so primal. We really should have done away with them a long time ago. At least we are the right path now with our new laws banning whatever.

But then, as time goes on, scary gun crime doesn't go away. What the heck? What happened? I thought that stroke of my hero's pen put an end to this? Oh shit, it appears as though not everyone has joined us on the enlightened path. Seems that there are still some fellow humans out there that the enlightened folks don't want to think about....people that don't give a flying fuck about your front-page photo op with asshole signing the bill into law, people that are perfectly willing to grind harder and grind deeper, use a rock to get a knife to get a hold of one of the 100s of millions of illegal firearms so they can continue doing their thing. Oh shit, didn't see that coming.

Well written. What do you say to those who support specific ban of automatic weapons, and no more?

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