2000 D2, Soft Brakes, No Leaks

MacRoadie

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Jan 24, 2017
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Placentia, CA
Hi all,

First time post here on the boards.

Probably asked and answered a thousand times, and I've searched the threads and found about a dozen different answers, but feel free to flame away anyway (and then help out if you can).

New to me, 2000 D2 with soft, almost squishy brakes. Not all the way to the floor, and decent stopping power, but definitely much less travel and more pressure on second pump. Recently had all four wheels off and checked pads: all four wheels have new pads, and none of the wheel cylinders show any signs of leaks. Although I didn't mic the rotors, there doesn't appear to be any grooving or a defined edge that would indicate excessive wear. Also, no signs of any leaks at the MC, and it's not eating fluid.

Did two bleeds: one following the RAVE process, including sequence, and another using the traditional "pump and hold" method. I did manage to get some air out of the system, especially at the first (front right) wheel I bled. Maybe a slight improvement, but still not what I'd expect/hope for. Also inspected lines for any bulging or damage and none visible, even when applying pedal.

I've heard of internal seal failures at the MC that allows blow-by, but no resulting leaks. Is this my next step? New MC, bench-bled, then a complete re-bleed of the system? I didn't see anything in the RAVE regarding any bleeding specific to the ABS, but I know some vehicles do have a bleed valve on the modulator as well.

Thanks,
 

MacRoadie

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Placentia, CA
Common D2 issue?

Appears to be, based on the number of threads dealing with it. Problem is, it's hard to pin down which solution actually does "deal" with it.

No codes, no warning lights, no leaks, everything at the wheels appears to be functioning properly. Just a pedal that seems to have a bit too much travel, and more pressure on the second pump than other vehicles, given that you're going to get more pressure/resistance from just about any brake pedal with a second pump.
 

squirt

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Just to add some flame to the fire - significantly better performance after a pump or two is basically always the MC, in my experience. It's the only reasonable explanation if you're not seeing any leaks.
 

AbnMike

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Not sure if it's the same on a Disco 2, but one of my Disco 1 wheel bearings wasn't tight enough, allowing the wheel to wobble slightly. As it did it would push the brake piston back a couple mm, and I ended up with having to do the double pump to get pressure built back up.

Might be worth a check before you go digging into a MC...
 

MacRoadie

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Placentia, CA
Not sure if it's the same on a Disco 2, but one of my Disco 1 wheel bearings wasn't tight enough, allowing the wheel to wobble slightly. As it did it would push the brake piston back a couple mm, and I ended up with having to do the double pump to get pressure built back up.

Might be worth a check before you go digging into a MC...

Thanks.

I did a visual inspection at all four corners when I did the suspension and checked calipers, rotors, brake lines and u joint boots. Also gave each wheel a spin to see if there was any play in the hubs. Not definitive or scientific, but all seemed tight and smooth.
 

The Fourth Amigo

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I dealt with this issue for years on my 2000 DII. Replaced the MC even bought a Hawkeye to do good bleeds. I really put a lot of time and effort into trying to find the problem. Then one day I replaced the rear rotors to correct a pulsation. They were cheap aftermarket rotors I installed the day after I bought the vehicle. The brakes have been perfect ever since! The rotors were too thin. Check the thickness of your rotors.

I got my good rotors from Will Tillery.
 

MacRoadie

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Jan 24, 2017
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Placentia, CA
I dealt with this issue for years on my 2000 DII. Replaced the MC even bought a Hawkeye to do good bleeds. I really put a lot of time and effort into trying to find the problem. Then one day I replaced the rear rotors to correct a pulsation. They were cheap aftermarket rotors I installed the day after I bought the vehicle. The brakes have been perfect ever since! The rotors were too thin. Check the thickness of your rotors.

I got my good rotors from Will Tillery.

I'm pulling the wheels this weekend to install new SS lines, I'll mic the rotors then.
 

Rockbeard

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you need a proper high dollar scan tool to properly bleed em. OR, my bud rigged a push button jumper wire for the abs relay to where you can (with a helper) crack open the bleed valve while he activates the abs solenoids with the home made jumper wire. it works great. i need to do it to my disco 2 because i have a little spongy brake pedal, pump it again at the stop light and it's tight. that's a bit a air trapped in there. not a brain busting rig, but if you don't have to access to a high dollar scan tool, it can't hurt. we're talking a 5 second blast from the module and you'll see bubbles! hit all 4 wheels and you are in bizzzzness! you may think it's crazy and stupid, and so did i. i am a 20 year veteran tech. i liked the results. i wish you good luck
 

MacRoadie

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Jan 24, 2017
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Placentia, CA
you need a proper high dollar scan tool to properly bleed em. OR, my bud rigged a push button jumper wire for the abs relay to where you can (with a helper) crack open the bleed valve while he activates the abs solenoids with the home made jumper wire. it works great. i need to do it to my disco 2 because i have a little spongy brake pedal, pump it again at the stop light and it's tight. that's a bit a air trapped in there. not a brain busting rig, but if you don't have to access to a high dollar scan tool, it can't hurt. we're talking a 5 second blast from the module and you'll see bubbles! hit all 4 wheels and you are in bizzzzness! you may think it's crazy and stupid, and so did i. i am a 20 year veteran tech. i liked the results. i wish you good luck

I have a Foxwell. It has the active brake bleed function.