Class II/III gurus?

msggunny

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Anyone gone through the ass pain of getting a CII/III license? If so shoot me a pm, or post here on how much of a pain it was and what all is involved.

Looking at getting a retirement gift.

Done some research on the web, but most ended up being "buy my Class III kit" stuff, and of course the infinite insanity that is the ATF.

Thanks.
 

SGaynor

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You need the "license" to manufacture (Class II) or sell (Class III) the restricted guns. If this is what you want, good luck.

If you just want a goodie (SBR, can, full auto), you just need to fill out the form, pay the $200 tax, and then wait.

Had a friend in TX who had a bunch of stuff - one time on reason on the form, he put "Zombie Appocolypse" as well as personal defense.
 

msggunny

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Looking to get a full auto, short barrel, and possible suppressor.

Would work well for the zombie apocalypse, that and I really miss shooting full auto guns.....

Like this:

SA58OSWNFA.GIF
 

SGaynor

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That's quite the retirement gift. :drool:

FYI - you need the tax stamps - one for each: Auto, SB, can (a separate form and $200 for each)

Also, you'll be looking for a pre-1986 full auto lower, which means >$10K, and the above can't be had in full auto by civies :eek:

Congrats on retirement, BTW. Thanks for your time.:patriot:
 
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jrose609

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I'm a Class II/Type 07.

I can give you some advice and help if you need. Not a ton more to do to be a Class II or III, but there are more hoops to jump through. Just depends on why you want to do it.

The SA58 is a great weapon. If you want one of those, you about have to be a Class II or III because transferable SA58's are pretty rare and expensive.

Feel free to shoot me a PM or email if you want to talk. We can exchange phone numbers.

Jason
 

msggunny

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SGaynor said:
Also, you'll be looking for a pre-1986 full auto lower, which means >$10K, and the above can't be had in full auto by civies :eek:

I talked to the guys at DS Arms about it, I can get the 11 or 13 in barrels but not select fire.

Not going to spend 10K+ on a gun, at least not yet.
 

11b4v

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Not sure of your governing State laws, but I highly reccomend the Trust route for your future SBR/Suppressor gifts to self.
 

AU_88

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jrose609 said:
I'm curious why.........?

Copy and pasted from another site...

The main advantages of a trust aren't in the way the assets are passed to another individual upon your death. The main advantages are in the obtaining & possessing part which falls in your lifetime.

The 2 main advantages are :
#1 trust avoids CLEO signatures, fingerprints, and certification of citizenship form. If you can't get the CLEO signature a trust is a game-saver. If you can get the CLEO signatures trusts still remove extra paperwork and complications from the process.

#2 Trust allows you to name multiple people that can possess your NFA items, and those people can be changed with time. Examples: your wife also enjoys shooting and you would like for her to be able to use your NFA weapons, or you don't want to have to worry about locking them up in a separate location from the safe (your wife probably knows the combination doesn't she?). If you and your wife get divorced or something else happens and you no longer want her to have that ability its as simple as getting the trust amended and it's done, she no longer can legally posses them. By the same token, if you have children and they turn 18 and can legally possess the weapons, you just add them to the trust and now you don't have to worry about any legal issues when you leave your kids at home, or they take your gun to the range to shoot.

Those are the 2 biggest advantages to a trust over individual ownership, and those have nothing to do with your dying, they are the here & now advantages.

For me, it was well worth the money I spent on my trust. I don't have to worry about my wife being home when I'm not because she is allowed to possess them, as is my dad and brother as well. So if my brother wants to take my suppressed gun out and do some shooting he can.

Just as a side note, trustees can be given limited powers specifically written into the trust. All additional trustees on my trust have limited powers. That means that they can't sell my items, or remove my name from the trust, they only have permission to possess/use the items held within trust.
 

msggunny

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Nice, thanks for the info.

That may be the route to go, my wife doesnt like to shoot anything bigger than a .22 but my son may want to squeeze off a few rounds.

Might be the way to go.

Now to find one that i can afford....
 
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AU_88

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Most of the gun shops in Auburn already had the trust paperwork so you didn't have to go through the hassle. Something to find out when you're looking.
 

jrose609

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msggunny said:
Nice, thanks for the info.

That may be the route to go, my wife doesnt like to shoot anything bigger than a .22 but my son may want to squeeze off a few rounds.

Might be the way to go.

Now to find one that i can afford....

If you get your Class II/III, let me know. I've got several post-dealer samples in the safe I'm going to sell.
 

11b4v

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quicken willmaker will 'should' get you by BATF review, $40 on fleabay

The trust route is a quicker time line than the LE route as well.

As was/is the case in the community that I lived in when I entered into the NFA world, politics of the CLEO's (one excepted) was not in my favor.

take a look at www.guntrustlawyer.com
 
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Rugbier

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FWIW ( as I have several of those type of things, and hate paying the $ 200.00 stamp every transfer )

Many people claim 16 weeks minimum to get the Form back from the BATFE, but I am yet to wait more than 6-8 weeks max.

Now if you want to start your Collection of Select Fire, look at a MAC, that is as low / entry level as it gets, then the UZI will be the next at around $ 6,000ish, British Tube gus in between at $ 4,500ish..and all the way up to the moon.

Now if you get want Semi designated as AOW, it is only $ 5.00

GL
 

msggunny

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Rugbier said:
FWIW ( as I have several of those type of things, and hate paying the $ 200.00 stamp every transfer )

Many people claim 16 weeks minimum to get the Form back from the BATFE, but I am yet to wait more than 6-8 weeks max.

Now if you want to start your Collection of Select Fire, look at a MAC, that is as low / entry level as it gets, then the UZI will be the next at around $ 6,000ish, British Tube gus in between at $ 4,500ish..and all the way up to the moon.

Now if you get want Semi designated as AOW, it is only $ 5.00

GL

Never fired a MAC, but I love a select fire full sized UZI. I want to fire one with a wood stock and not the folding stock to see if there is any difference.
 

Rugbier

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Have fired both ( actually in my past life the Woody was my assigned firearm )

I take the folder any day of the week.

The MAC free hand is kind off all over the place, but with practice using the folding stock ( some have place wood stocks alla UZI ) quite controllable