LR3 Diesel? Warning, LRNA Propaganda - click here

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Chris Browne said:
Its quality of fuel thats the problem in the USA. Sulphur content is too high. BMW builds Diesels for the Euro market in SC-anytime they run any over here for journos they smoke badly.
That said LR is meant to have a diesel demo fleet over here.....
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I think it here since someone spotted some diesel D3 in Colorado.
 
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2008, eh?
...a little behind the power curve aren't they?

I'm sorry but I don't understand their logic, here. You're telling me that LRNA will be willing to import this engine in 2008, but not in 2006?

LRNA has been claiming that they don't want to bring this motor in because they want a 50 state complient vehicle and the 2.7L TDV6 (the motor that you're talking about) isn't.

When you consider the fact that emissions regs. are due to become even more strict in 2007, this motor will be no more 'compliant' in 2008 than it is now. Why are they dragging their feet?

Gas prices are over $2.85/gal. TODAY ...do they honestly expect us to wait three more years for them to get around to addressing the issue?

I need a new truck, and I'd love a deisel LR3, but I'm not waiting until 2008 to buy one!
...and I'm certainly not going to buy a V8 gas hog that'll only run on premium fuel, with gas prices as high as they are!
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I'm pretty sure they meet world wide regs but only if they have the correct fuel, perhaps the US will be getting regs for low sulphur fuel around 2007. So what I'm saying I don't think its the truck I think it's your fuel. Diesel in Oz meets the EU2 spec and is low sulphur the Gov regs forced oil companies to update refineries to make it. These cars don't blow any smoke at all and are very clean, it's they way forward and they are cheaper than the V8 to buy.
 
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I'm pretty sure they meet world wide regs but only if they have the correct fuel, perhaps the US will be getting regs for low sulphur fuel around 2007. So what I'm saying I don't think its the truck I think it's your fuel. Diesel in Oz meets the EU2 spec and is low sulphur the Gov regs forced oil companies to update refineries to make it. These cars don't blow any smoke at all and are very clean, it's they way forward and they are cheaper than the V8 to buy.
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Sorry, perhaps I didn?t make myself very clear. I don?t think there is anything wrong with this engine... in fact I want it brought to the states immediately... that was the point I was trying to make.

This engine could very well meet current US standards (even in the more strict states of New York and California) if low sulfur fuels were available here. I can?t find any published information to support or refute that statement... but that really has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make anyway.

The simple fact is, this vehicle is compliant in approximately 45 states, even with the currently available diesel fuel.

Yes, you are correct... new EPA regulations will require the oil companies to lower the sulfer content of diesel fuels in 2007 (it actually goes into effect June of 2006, with the phase in period extending through 2009). Assuming the availability of this low sulfer diesel fuel is all that it needed to make the 2.7L TDV6 compliant to emissions standards in all 50 states, then there it is... Land Rover?s 50 state compliant vehicle for 2008.

However, in addition to the low sulfer diesel fuel regulations for 2007, there are a number of stricter emissions standards due to be introduced in some states (with more to follow in subsequent years). So, there is still a question as to how these new regs will play into all this.

My point is:
Why not bring it in to the states where it is already compliant NOW?
We?re talking about a currently available engine here... not something still in development! It seems to me that LRNA is being short-sighted by waiting until 2008 to import the diesel LR3. They could be using this interim period to grow their market share and increase acceptance of diesel technology (just like VW, Mercedes, and Jeep are doing).

Sell it in the states where it is already compliant now... then as the low sulfer fuels become available, and the vehicle can pass emissions standards in the more restrictive states, make it available there. It?s foolish to give the competition an opportunity to establish itself in the market before you, just because you want to have bragging rights for ?the first 50 state compliant diesel.? It won?t mean s*** if your competition already has a solid foothold and a great reputation in the market.

Land Rover has a solid product; there is a demand for that product; there is an opportunity to sell that product in a very large market; it makes no sense to wait 2 ? years to sell something that you can sell now.
 
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I guess you blokes that want one need to be telling LRNA loudly that you want one now. The TDv6 will be the big seller here, can't see anyone paying extra for the V8 with such a sweet oiler for $8k less.
 
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I was just down the shop and picked up the latest Overlander Magazine. D3 TDV6 has been a awarded "Best large 4x4" and "best 4x4 overall" on the OZ market in Overlanders 2005 4x4 awards. They also had a test drive of the TDV6 "s" pack i.e 6speed manual, coil spring version. They reckoned it was pretty good overall and would suit many buyers, has better articulation then any other independant suspension 4x4s but not as good as the Air suspension with terain response. Comes with centre diff lock but not the rear diff lock like the others, you can option it with the air sus and terain response for an extra $3k oz.
 
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Chris Browne said:
Did it say why?
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No, I heard it from the guy that runs Britrest.com in Canada - a LR re-power specialist. He says it's much easier and cheaper to put a TdI from a wrecked Rover from the UK into your rig than to wait on one of these from Brazil due to their shipping. He didn't outright say this, but he alluded to QA issues at the factory and customs problems getting the engines out of Brazil.
 
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I've had suspicions for a while that anyone going with the 2.8 is going to find themselves high and dry with no parts. LR will ensure that enough TDI engine parts are around for a long time to come
 
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