I am on my Iphone and cant do a search on it for some reason. I need a new galvanized chassis for my 88". Can a D90 frame be used? Can you use a D90 firewall to replace a SIII?
New Chassis
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christheroverguy said:
Firewall/bulkhead you can use from a 90, however you will have a lot of work ahead of you to make a 90 frame work. its longer and the tub has to be extended.
As far as the best series frame, i am not sure on this. I would go to the RN forum or Guns n' rovers and ask around. There may be some here who know too.
A) a D90 bulkhead is more akin to the SIII bulkhead, and adaptable, but not as easy as you'd think. For a SII/IIa, you would have to cut off the entire shelf area and weld it onto the new bulkhead... has been done, but is a lot more work.
B) Marsland has discontinued building Series chassis; you have to go w/ Richards now if you want something close to original. Or Designa, if you want it set up for a coil conversion.
B) Marsland has discontinued building Series chassis; you have to go w/ Richards now if you want something close to original. Or Designa, if you want it set up for a coil conversion.
But I thought that RN had sold off the last of their Marslands? That they only have Richards for Series now?
Leslie said:
Okay - I'll ask. Is there any significant difference between the two? I've searched - and there is little, actual info one way or another, just a few "opinions" posted on various sites. Richards' claim-to-fame on their website is that they 'chase' all the bolt holes and whatnot after galvanizing. I'll be in the market for a new frame right soon, as in as soon as I can scrape the coin together.
Cheers
I'ved used alot oof Marsland chassis from the UK , I liked the fact that they had a removable cross member for the tranny which made removing the tranny alot easier. They did have alot of galvinizing that had to be drilled out before assymbly..
That frames from Marsland bolted up nicely with little shimming.
When you go to reframe your rover keep in mind that shimms will be neede.keep the old ones from your original frame , you'll need them.
That frames from Marsland bolted up nicely with little shimming.
When you go to reframe your rover keep in mind that shimms will be neede.keep the old ones from your original frame , you'll need them.
Well, the removable, tranny x-member is a definite plus. I've pulled enough transmissions "out the top" using one other strong back (usually my brother), a doubled-up 2x4 and a length of chain. But the photos at the Richards site seem to show a removable x-member, though it isn't mentioned specifically in the accompanying text.
Next question: replacement bulkheads....
Next question: replacement bulkheads....
I have a series 111 and a fairly good 11a , It will need the floor panels replaced but the bulk head is solid
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apg said:
Richards are the only conventional Series chassis builder now, Marsland have dropped out of that market. I get the feeling that there is a 'Health & Safety' issue behind it all, as many rebuilders simply don't have the equipment or knowledge to safely repair/replace chassis sections at home.
Also, there are not a many people making chassis parts now as there used to be, SPI went down the tubes about 3 years ago, and they were the only people making the DA4021 front quarter chassis for example.
We have done a rear quarter chassis over last winter on my youngest's Series III 88", and we are currently hacking the front off his older brother's 109" Series III.
We have struggled to find a front cross-member here in the UK, and believe that possibly these are now going non-available, which is bad news for Series restorers.
I've got a series of pictures of the 109" as we are going along, I'll post links to these as soon as I can get my Memory Stick hooked up to the office PC.
Britpart used to list the DA4021 in their pdf catalogue (catalog) but dealers say it is no longer available.
Peter
Also, there are not a many people making chassis parts now as there used to be, SPI went down the tubes about 3 years ago, and they were the only people making the DA4021 front quarter chassis for example.
We have done a rear quarter chassis over last winter on my youngest's Series III 88", and we are currently hacking the front off his older brother's 109" Series III.
We have struggled to find a front cross-member here in the UK, and believe that possibly these are now going non-available, which is bad news for Series restorers.
I've got a series of pictures of the 109" as we are going along, I'll post links to these as soon as I can get my Memory Stick hooked up to the office PC.
Britpart used to list the DA4021 in their pdf catalogue (catalog) but dealers say it is no longer available.
Peter
Here are the most recent pictures:
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy14.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy15.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy17.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy18.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy19.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy20.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy21.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy22.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy23.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy24.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy25.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy26.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy27.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy28.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy29.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy30.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy31.jpg
Pic 14 is the remain of the cross-member with the relay still embedded inside. Plenty of 'repairs on repairs' visible!
Pic 15 is the rear of the front cross-member, showing the rust holes along the rear lower edge.
Pic 17 is a closer shot of the rust holes.
Pic 18 is the cross-member around the sterring relay area.
Pic 19 is Philip cutting out the inside of the chassis frame (he really was working, this was not a posed shot)
Pic 20 is the O/S chassis frame inner face.
Pic 21 is the N/S chassis frame inner face. Note how the frame has rusted away behind the cross-member.
Pic 22 is the bar across the chassis keeping the distance steady while we work on it.
Pic 23 is the new piece of chassis about to be MIG-welded in. Note the quantity of used cutting discs!
Pic 24 is the new piece partly welded in place. The bottom has to be replaced as well, that's why it isn't welded up.
Pic 25 is the close up of the chassis, we counted four layers of metal in the bottom!
Pic 26 is the outer face of what would be the driver's side in the USA.
Pic 27 and Pic 28 are the vertical welds, we had to cut right back to good chassis metal to get those weld results.
Pic 29 is looking into the end of the front cross-member, the wafer-thin bits you can see inside are the tube that surrounds the steering relay.
Pic 30 is the steering relay itself, waiting to be stripped and cleaned up.
Pic 31 is another shot into the end of the cross-member, there isn't much metal left in there!
Peter
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy14.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy15.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy17.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy18.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy19.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy20.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy21.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy22.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy23.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy24.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy25.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy26.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy27.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy28.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy29.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy30.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy31.jpg
Pic 14 is the remain of the cross-member with the relay still embedded inside. Plenty of 'repairs on repairs' visible!
Pic 15 is the rear of the front cross-member, showing the rust holes along the rear lower edge.
Pic 17 is a closer shot of the rust holes.
Pic 18 is the cross-member around the sterring relay area.
Pic 19 is Philip cutting out the inside of the chassis frame (he really was working, this was not a posed shot)
Pic 20 is the O/S chassis frame inner face.
Pic 21 is the N/S chassis frame inner face. Note how the frame has rusted away behind the cross-member.
Pic 22 is the bar across the chassis keeping the distance steady while we work on it.
Pic 23 is the new piece of chassis about to be MIG-welded in. Note the quantity of used cutting discs!
Pic 24 is the new piece partly welded in place. The bottom has to be replaced as well, that's why it isn't welded up.
Pic 25 is the close up of the chassis, we counted four layers of metal in the bottom!
Pic 26 is the outer face of what would be the driver's side in the USA.
Pic 27 and Pic 28 are the vertical welds, we had to cut right back to good chassis metal to get those weld results.
Pic 29 is looking into the end of the front cross-member, the wafer-thin bits you can see inside are the tube that surrounds the steering relay.
Pic 30 is the steering relay itself, waiting to be stripped and cleaned up.
Pic 31 is another shot into the end of the cross-member, there isn't much metal left in there!
Peter
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Here are the first 13 pictures:
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy1.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy2.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy3.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy4.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy5.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy6.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy7.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy8.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy9.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy10.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy11.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy12.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy13.jpg
RobLandy1 is the start of the chassis repair, the wings and front are removed.
RobLandy2 and 3 show the rustu bulkhead etc.
RobLandy4 and 5 show the reworked axles, they had to be sorted out so the vehicle could be moved safely on the road.
RobLandy6 is a shot of the ex-military engine that is going to go back in when the chassis is finished. $US 220 on ebay, reconditioned in 1991.
RobLandy7 is the remains of the front chassis dumb-iron on the driver's side (US) passenger side in the UK.
RobLandy8 is the 'repaired' underside seam.
RobLandy9 is the bulkhead hole from outside.
RobLandy10 is the vehicle without engine or bulkhead.
RobLandy11 is looking into the engine bay.
RobLandy12 is the old engine out on the floor.
RobLandy13 is another shot of the engine bay.
Hope the pictures will be of some interest.
New front cross-member should be here today.
Peter
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy1.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy2.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy3.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy4.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy5.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy6.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy7.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy8.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy9.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy10.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy11.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy12.jpg
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/RobLandy13.jpg
RobLandy1 is the start of the chassis repair, the wings and front are removed.
RobLandy2 and 3 show the rustu bulkhead etc.
RobLandy4 and 5 show the reworked axles, they had to be sorted out so the vehicle could be moved safely on the road.
RobLandy6 is a shot of the ex-military engine that is going to go back in when the chassis is finished. $US 220 on ebay, reconditioned in 1991.
RobLandy7 is the remains of the front chassis dumb-iron on the driver's side (US) passenger side in the UK.
RobLandy8 is the 'repaired' underside seam.
RobLandy9 is the bulkhead hole from outside.
RobLandy10 is the vehicle without engine or bulkhead.
RobLandy11 is looking into the engine bay.
RobLandy12 is the old engine out on the floor.
RobLandy13 is another shot of the engine bay.
Hope the pictures will be of some interest.
New front cross-member should be here today.
Peter
We stripped the steering relay down this morning, it was in a bit of a bad way.
The top split bush looked fine, but the bottom one was rusty as hell and it looked as though the whole bush was seized to the shaft and turning in the housing.
Ordered new bits, we are also going to fit a grease nipple to the body so we can pump in heavy oil (EP140) as and when needed.
The shaft looks as though the seals have worn grooves into the seal face area.
Peter
The top split bush looked fine, but the bottom one was rusty as hell and it looked as though the whole bush was seized to the shaft and turning in the housing.
Ordered new bits, we are also going to fit a grease nipple to the body so we can pump in heavy oil (EP140) as and when needed.
The shaft looks as though the seals have worn grooves into the seal face area.
Peter
