David Kronenfeld said:I've been out to Crabtree/Shoe Creek several times in the past few weeks. Washington and Lee University had Bill Burke give an off-road seminar out there after MAR. I coordinated the event and it was a blast having Bill teach a group of 8 drivers. If anyone is considering taking one of his seminars I would definitely recommend it! Nothing much has changed at Shoe Creek, except that they closed off the hill climb at the first large campground (if you're coming in from the lower entrance). It was eroding too much and pretty much had gotten to the point that you had to do the hill climb to access any of the trails/camping to the left. If anyone ever wants to head out there, Big Levels, or up towards Harrisonburg let me know. E-mail is kronenfeldd@wlu.edu.