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Lawrence P. Muscente (Nytefog)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 08:58 am: | 
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I brought my 99 series 2 to the dealership to have a ATF change. I gave them Amsoil ATF fluid to replace it with. Later they call me and tell me that it might cause problems because they can't fully drain the trans and the mixing of the different fluid will cause problems.. Are they pulling my leg? It was 350 for a trans fluid change w/ them suppling the oil and $150 if i supplied the oil!! $150 for ATF fluiD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
muskyman
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 10:01 am: |
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they are correct amsoil will agree as well ,it is best to only use synthetic trans fluid if your are putting it into an empty new or newely rebuilt trans. check the bottle as I recall there is even mention of this on the amsoil ATF bottle. |
edward petrush (Exp3)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 11:15 am: |
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very true about mixing different like oils.. NOT a good idea.. they will not mix and cause you many problems.. As for the cost.. did they flush the system? replace the filter? $150 sounds like a little steep.. But I guess the filter is $70 wholesale.. the $300 is a F&%&% ripoff...
Unless your oil smells burnt.. it probably didn't even need the filter changed.. its also a pain in the a.. to get to you. (you need to move the cross member.. lots of time & patience)
Did this work include a trans "flush" or just drain and refill? if just the drain and refill.. that's worth about $50.
just my 2 cents |
R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 12:01 pm: |
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The reason it costs so much is because of the labor involved: Most people in shop with a nice lift will go through the trouble of disconnecting the exahaust first, then disconnecting the entire transmission system, sliding it back, lowering the filter system, taking it out, replacing it, then putting it all back together - it goes something like that.
When I had mine done, my mechanic even went so far as to tell me specifically when to come in so that he could work on my truck only, thereby making it a shorter job - ended up saving me about $50 because two of them worked together on it.
It is one of the rare instances in a Land Rover where extensive work needs to be done to do a simple thing. But it MUST be done, it is as important as 3000 mile oil changes in your engine. Especially if you tow and off-road.
http://landrover.mrbaileyshistory.net |
Lawrence P. Muscente (Nytefog)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 07:02 pm: |
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i just e-mail Amsoil to see what they have to say. |
Robison Service
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 09:02 pm: |
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We install Amsoil and Mobil 1 ATF. What you need to do is get all the fluid changed, not just what drains from the pan. In you don't have a flush machine what you do is drain the pan, fill with 3 qts new ATF, start and run 30 seconds, drain and refill, start and run 30 sec, repeated 6 times. That will pretty much change all the fluid.
As a DIY operation I recommend Mobil 1 because its formulation is more mixable than Amsoil, though the Amsoil may be slightly better stuff. |
Ed Petrush (Exp3)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 09:22 pm: |
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you do not have to remove exhaust other junk.. if you had a mechanic that knew anything about Rovers, he would know that you can unbolt the mid cross member and push it back (sometimes a porta power is required but not always).. this saves hours and is much simpler than tearing apart the whole undercarriage.
I do agree that a "flush" of •••••• must happen to make any sense... |
R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 12:06 am: |
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Oh, I guess Doug Shippman didn't know what he was doing when he did my ATF Fluid/Filter change then. Maybe we should go ask him, but he is busy this weekend... NW Challenge. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 09:03 am: |
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i used a bottle jack and dropped my crossmember start to finnish first time took about a hour and twenty with a couple wasted moments answering strange questions to my watching neighbor. just went dino on the ATF.
up above someone said no need to replace filter?
filters get blocked on a micro level,the fluid deposits solid clutch material onto the filter as a thin film that causes turbulance and greatly reduces flow.
these trucks should/could really have a external filter installed for simple service. almost all of the heavy trucks running auto boxes have them. |
Lawrence P. Muscente (Nytefog)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 11:50 am: |
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Amsoil responds
No, this is not true whatsoever. The Fluid spec for the Land Rover is Dexron III, which our AMSOIL Synthetic Universal Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF) meets the spec for. As long as the proper fluid is in the transmission now, mixing is not harmful, although a complete change would still be preferred. Here�s an instruction sheet for changing the fluid completely, by letting the unit pump itself out. Most independent service centers do have the flush machine as well. |
Ed Petrush (Exp3)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 12:19 pm: |
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RB,
if your mechanic dropped the exhaust and other under body stuff instead of just moving the cross member.. he know how to charge you additional hours in labor.. Certainly the name of the game if you are a professional mechanic.. but its easier and less time consuming to just unbolt and move the crossmember. |
R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 05:46 pm: |
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Ed, let me ask you though. When I look under my truck, the crossmember looks plenty easy to unbolt, but how heavy is it? And where do you take it once it is unbolted? Do you just let it sit on top of the exaust "Y"? And even if you could twist it and turn it to get it out of the way totally, you still would have the exhaust in the way.
(If that is the case then I would have ASKED him to take the extra time to unbolt the "Y" and get the front end exhaust out of the way because mine is questionable as to how strong it is right now - I need a new one, but in the mean time I don't want my mechanic ruining the one I have on there.)
Once you have the stuff out of the way, do you just unbolt the pan and take that off to get to the filter? Or do you have to do more? (And for me at least it was definately time for a full filter change, there was no record of a change for 101k miles.) |
Chris Browne
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 08:38 am: |
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John Robison:
Couple of extra questions for you
Full ATF fluid change Just under 11 quarts per owners manual
How many quarts come out if you just drain?
How many quarts come out when you drain and replace the filter?
Thanks |
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