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Mike D1
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 08:08 pm: | 
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I talked to EC Rovers about their Disco "experiment" and they said they sell the fender flares ($325) separately from the project. Has anyone on this site gone for them and the huge body cutting involved to fit them? I would like to see some posts about it from someone with nothing to sell. Not that ECR has anything to hide, I would just like to get an owners opinion of this major mod. |
marty amedeo (Marty)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 09:57 pm: |
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Mike
I bought a set of the ECR flares and have started the installation. I did the rear door first. Have to admit, it was a bit intimidating to make the cut, but everything has been going fine.
The instructions are well written and you just have to follow the measurements they give. So far I have not had any problems.
What i did, was put that blue masking tape on the body panels and marked out all the cut lines and rechecked them several times till I was sure I had them right, and I could also see what the results would look like.
The flares fit with minor adjustments with some sandpaper to get them to conform to the body panels at the raised section where the rubber strip is.
It does take some time and patients to do the rear door. Even with the cut lines marked out and checked several times, I did make the cut a little "fat" and just kept trimming a little at a time 'till I got it to fit.
Hope this helps you, just ask if you have any more questions.............
Marty |
Mike D1
| | Posted on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 12:22 am: |
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Are you going to put the big meats on and do the 1 ton CVs? |
marty amedeo (Marty)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 07:10 am: |
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..Are you going to put the big meats on and do the 1 ton CVs?
That's the plan, 35x12.50. First I want to see how they do at ECR before I make the final decision on the tire size. But the 1 ton CV's and HD front axels are definite. |
Mike D1
| | Posted on Friday, March 08, 2002 - 11:28 pm: |
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Anyone else going for the big cut and big meats? Kyle? Anyone? |
Mike D1
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 10:44 am: |
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Marty,
How is the cutting going? Can you post a photo? I have a friend that wants to put 35s on his Disco. |
marty amedeo (Marty)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 10:59 am: |
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Mike
The cutting and installation are complete and they came out great. I'm going to post some pictures in the next few days on the DELRC web site. I'll also send them to Ho to put up in my gallery. Now I'm in the process of trimming my rock sliders back to conform to the larger opening.
Marty |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 11:26 am: |
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trimming my rock sliders
damn, now that's some trimming! LOL  |
Mike D1
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 07:36 pm: |
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I still feel tall tires look better on a Rover. Is there a 35" or 36" tire that is not super wide? |
al hang
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 11:26 pm: |
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Mike, check out the swamper LTB's. I think it stands for Large Tread Block. It comes in a narrow 34, which should be taller than some 35's. |
Ron
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 02:29 am: |
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35x10.50 SSRs are available
Or you can go with a Q78 TSL or Ground Hawg/Buckshot
They are 36x11
16x9.00 michelins are 36x11 or so too
36x12.50s really don't look that wide though.
Ron |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 10:29 am: |
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Mike,
There is like at 34x9.5 size as well...maybe those are the Q78's that Ron is talking about.
Here's my rover with the 33x12.5's (the green one).
http://www.discoweb.org/route6/index.htm
Of course, a 35" or 36" tire would make that seem skinnier, but you will loose that Camel Trophy look with the 12.5's in my opinion.
One thing about the 12.5's, though. The truck feels more stable on the road than with my 32x9.5 swampers, and the extra 3 inches of width does good things for traction. I think my 12.5's not aired down about equaled my 9.5's aired down. I haven't wheeled with them aired down yet, have to work out a couple rubs that I encountered last time I went out.
Tom |
Mike D1
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 11:47 pm: |
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Tom,
Your truck looks great but man that area looks desolate. Where do you live? That looks like Oklahoma or Afghanistan.
Let me extend an invitation to come wheeling in sunny California. |
Ron
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 01:19 am: |
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34x9.50 TSLs are made as well. Q78 is much bigger 36x11.00 |
niall forbes (Forbesn)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 02:41 pm: |
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Hey Marty,
Just saw your write-up on the fender flare install. Looks great. Had to laugh at your comments re:new passenger side fender and door. I remember back in '98 at the first Labour Day rally when the originals still looked that good ;-)
Anyway, the truck looks great. Can't wait to see it with the new tires. Hope you can bring it up to show it off in Nova Scotia this year.
Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit <--For Sale
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/forsale.htm |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 03:11 pm: |
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That looks "Great" to you Niall ? Damn... ANyone else ???
Kyle |
John Lee
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 03:15 pm: |
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Marty,
Not trying to slam you or anything, but how did you fix this: http://www.discoweb.org/ecrflares/image011.jpg
So much of the door is cut away that there's a gap between the inner and outer skinds of the rear doors. |
al hang
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 03:26 pm: |
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http://www.eastcoastrover.com/Discotech/Dtech31.jpg
i'm guessing that door's flare covers much of the part marty cut out. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 03:27 pm: |
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Christ! Dont do that John , I have been avoiding those pics and there you are linking me right up.......
Kyle |
Baron the Disco
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 04:10 pm: |
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Marty......seeing those tin snips in your Disco made me cry oil everywhere....
Didn't you hear your disco cries of pain?
you hurt my feelings too
Baron
Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Discoveries |
Hank Shank (Disco_Tex)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 04:40 pm: |
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Man! and I went out of my way to keep from cutting. |
marty amedeo (Marty)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 06:39 pm: |
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"So much of the door is cut away that there's a gap between the inner and outer skinds of the rear doors."
John
The one picture I did not take was the inside of the door with the flare installed, my mistake.
The flare wraps around the edge of the door and goes pass the inner skin by 3/4". Once the flare is fastnened to the inner door, it completley covers the opening you see. I'll have to take some more pictures and have them posted.
Marty |
marty amedeo (Marty)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 06:49 pm: |
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Kyle
"That looks "Great" to you Niall ? Damn... ANyone else ???
Kyle"
I think this is good material for a "poll" and would like you to initate it........ ;-)
I guess when I install my 3-link, you won't look at those pictures either ?
Marty |
John Lee
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 07:00 pm: |
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Marty,
"The flare wraps around the edge of the door and goes pass the inner skin by 3/4". Once the flare is fastnened to the inner door, it completley covers the opening you see."
Cool. So Al was right; the flare covers the hole. Makes that cutting much more palatable. |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 07:24 pm: |
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Marty,
How do you seal the doors back up so water, mud, sand, etc. doesn't get inside? Silicone after the fastening?
Tom |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 07:31 pm: |
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Well Marty , ya cant hurt a damn thing now. Thats for sure... Its all down hill from there.....
Kyle |
marty amedeo (Marty)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 07:51 pm: |
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"How do you seal the doors back up so water, mud, sand, etc. doesn't get inside? Silicone after the fastening?"
I intend to seal it with 3M seam sealer, the same sealer that they use on all the seams now. |
Ron
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 09:25 pm: |
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it looks great!
You going to use that expoxy seam sealer Marty or are you taking about something else?
I might go with something less final as if you ever have to replace one it will be a royal PITA to get off with the seam sealer they use for body panels. maybe black death (aka super black weatherstrip adhesive)
Ron |
marty amedeo (Marty)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 09:57 pm: |
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"You going to use that expoxy seam sealer Marty or are you taking about something else?"
The 3M sealer I'm thinking about is a latex base and can be removed if necessary. When I removed the skin from the back door, I used a utility knife to cut the sealer along the seam at the edge of the door with no problem.
POR-15 also makes a product called Por Patch which is a sealer and remains flexible and waterproof and is paintable. |
niall forbes (Forbesn)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 10:09 pm: |
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Well, I think it looks pretty cool. You have to understand Marty's Disco is already pretty extreme and battle scarred. I think this will make it look pretty serious.
I can't see me going this far once I get my Disco but I think it looks good.
Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit <--For Sale
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/forsale.htm |
Ron
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 10:26 pm: |
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Ok marty. That makes much more sense. I was thinking about the sort or hardening expoxy stuff they use on body panels. The stuff you are talking about is the stuff they use to isolate alum from steel.
Ron |
\Mike... (Mpeters)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 10:37 pm: |
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hmmm... think i need some pepto-bismol after that group of pics..
don't get me wrong, marty - flares look great..
just feeling a bit queazy at the moment..... |
Mike D1
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 11:55 pm: |
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Mary,
Thanks, for the pics. I started this thread and one about the ECR Disco project that got up over 100 posts on the old Disco Web.
I hate to eat my shorts here but for what you are trying to do (fit monster meats) I like it! It makes a lot more sense to me than the 6" lift posted on this site.
My personal taste is taller narrower tires. I think it would look cool (and more classic Land Rover) if you went something like a 35/10.50. Kind of like what they put on the 101 Forward Control (I think that is a 36x11 ?) If you did the same tire as the 101 you could at least argue it had some roots or basis in Rover history. Not that you give a damn about that sort of thing. I do care about that stuff and would probably follow some guideline like that. Good luck. |
Lance
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 12:57 am: |
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the taller skinny tires perform poorly on the road. Or so I have heard |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:23 am: |
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lance, how skinny? and how poor? and you not thinking that the swampers in 35x14.5 will perform any better than a 35x10.5?
i doubt you'll be at speeds where width of the tire will make much difference. |
Lance
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:35 am: |
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Ive heard bad things about the 9/34 swampers. Just second hand though would not no for sure unless I drove around on them. The 36x11 is pretty tall and skinny. |
marty amedeo (Marty)
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 07:55 am: |
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Mike and All
"My personal taste is taller narrower tires. I think it would look cool (and more classic Land Rover) if you went something like a 35/10.50."
Tall and skinny looks great, I have to agree with you. I was always a fan of that thinking. My first set of swampers was 9-34's but as Lance points out, they are a terrible on the road. Because of the narrow tire, the truck would wander on the road, especially with cross winds. Off road performance was unbelievable.
So,after six months of wrestling with the truck on road, I switched to the 265's I now have and driving the truck is a pleasure.
Bigger tires are a plus for the type of wheeling I do, but I didn't want to deal with monster lifts and all the associated driveline problems that go with it, so I stayed with the 265's.
When ECR installed the flare kit on their Disco and showed that you can put 35's under the truck with only a 2-1/2" lift, I opted to go that route.
Yes, I can go with 10.50 vs, 12.50 wide tires but, the more rubber I can get on the ground the better the traction is.
If it's any consolation to you, I'm keeping the rims which are LR D-130 rims, so part of the tradition will live on ( only kidding ).
When I decieded to install these flares, I did it with a purpose in mind, not because they "looked cool", or everyone else was buying them.
Everyone has an opinion and I respect that and want to thank all those that have let me know what they think, so keep them coming, I don't take offense to that.
Keep in mind this is only the first step in preperation for the bigger tires which also requires the installation of the 1 ton CV's, HD axels and 3-link, that to me is the real story, and that's what's going to make all this work !!! Not to mention the elimination of the ABS, now that's keeping in the true LR tradition!
I'll keep you posted as to the progress ...........
Marty |
al hang
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 08:53 am: |
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Marty, When you do decide to do the front end upgrades can you do another write up? I'd be really interested in how that comes together.
-Al |
marty
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 10:43 am: |
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Al
I have all the parts on order at this time, but it'll be about 6 weeks before I get them. I intend
to do a full write up with pictures when I do the installation.
Marty |
Mike D1
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 11:11 am: |
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Marty,
Have you talked with GB Rovers? I think they have the HD CVs that work with ABS (if you want it). By the way what tire does the 101 have? |
marty
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:06 pm: |
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The order for the parts has been placed with Ashcroft. I have his gears and HD rear axels installed on my truck and have been very happy with them, but thanks for the lead on this.
As far as the 101 tire size, I don't have a clue. |
Richard Dekkard (Dekkard)
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 02:09 pm: |
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MARTY!!! New DOORS!!?? OH NOOOO!!!
Looks great my friend.. Im there with you on the next trip to put some new dents in them. =)
Mine is all decked out for Hope Center too, 21/2- 3" RTE suspension, skids, sliders, etc.. Just debating on wether to run without lockers for a year for experience or not..
Cant wait to follow you up the streambed.. |
Clarance
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 04:20 pm: |
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Looks damn good |
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