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Dan
| | Posted on Friday, October 25, 2002 - 12:51 pm: | 
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I just got off the phone with the local dealership's service dept. My '01 D2 has 11,000 miles on it and I was going to schedule an oil change (no, I do not do it myself) . The last service was at 7500 miles. The dealership told me that I really do not need to worry about it, and it can wait until I hit 15K and they will do it during the 15K service. Is that correct?
Sorry, I am a little new at this. |
Chris S.
| | Posted on Friday, October 25, 2002 - 12:59 pm: |
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My stance on this topic is "why not?" I have owned several high mileage cars (with all original non-rebuilt engines) and they have all had 3k oil changes. For the small cost of dino oil and a filter, why not? I do do it myself and I do realize the stealerships charge an arm and a leg, so having it done vs. doing it yourself is a different ballgame. Near term you won't notice any real difference, I just feel that the more often you change the oil and filter, the cleaner the engine is, and at least logically (which means nothing in LR terms) your engine should experience less wear. |
John Moore (Jmoore)
| | Posted on Friday, October 25, 2002 - 01:01 pm: |
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I believe LR suggest oil changes every 7.5K. But if you want to make if last, change it every 3000-3500. Land Rover V8's wear and eventually die to the build up of sludge. These engines and rigs can pile up the miles if taken care of. If you like your truck and plan on keeping it, change the oil. If you don't want to pay the dealer prices, take it to Jiffy Lube!
-John |
Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d)
| | Posted on Friday, October 25, 2002 - 01:18 pm: |
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George (who hates typing) changes his oil every 3K and uses synthetic, and he has 400K miles on his RR. Go figure.....
I change mine (myself) every 3K. No big deal is it?
Dean |
an
| | Posted on Friday, October 25, 2002 - 02:42 pm: |
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If you take it to a Jiffy Lube I would watch them like a hawk. I personally change my own oil - they only hassle is getting rid of it - I have to be sneaky when dumping the old oil down the street drain - As for the filter I just toss them in the woods. Just kidding - Advanced autoparts takes the old oil.
I would be selective as to the filter used - I use genuine but lot of people prefer different brands - Word of caution: use the genuine as long as you are under the manufacturer's warranty and I doubt Jiffy Lube carries those.
Think about this - do you think the dealership gives a sh*t about how long your truck lasts - they benefit from more repairs you need and especially if you have to buy a new truck.
No way I would let mine go beyond 3.5K
These trucks are unbelievably easy to change the oil - lots of room but there is a procedure you should follow as stated in the manual. Anyone here can tell you how to do it. Just ask. |
Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
| | Posted on Friday, October 25, 2002 - 02:59 pm: |
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Yep, every vehicle I have gets an oil change every 3K miles. It surely can't hurt anything. |
DChrismon
| | Posted on Friday, October 25, 2002 - 03:39 pm: |
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I read in a Popular Mechanics that alot of Japenese car makers are steering away from the 7.5 K oil changes because of the sludge build up. So it cant hurt. Also don't believe your local quick lube that they can't find a oil filter for your rig. It's the same filter that goes on a Dodge V8. |
Michael Noe (Noee)
| | Posted on Friday, October 25, 2002 - 04:12 pm: |
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FWIW: Just ran a Mazda 626GT into the ground at 220K miles and the engine was still good. Have a 533i with 265K miles, still going strong, burns about a quart every 2000 miles. Have a Mazda Protege with 160K miles, still going strong, never uses oil. We change the oil every 4K miles or 6 months (except the Rover) whichever comes first. Dino, synthetic, whatever. |
Jay Hobbs (Jayxd)
| | Posted on Friday, October 25, 2002 - 04:33 pm: |
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I change the oil every 3K or 3 months. If you don't want to do it yourself and don't have any other option than the dealer then just take your filter of choice to the Jiffy Lube place and have them use that. I did that once at Valvoline and I got a filter credit |
Andrew Clarke (Aclarke)
| | Posted on Friday, October 25, 2002 - 05:34 pm: |
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Well obviously Land Rover's not the only company recommending longer oil change intervals.
A bit off-topic, but:
Our 2001 BMW Z3 has lights that tell you when it's time to change the oil. When the 4 green lights disappear and the orange one comes on (or whatever) it's time. We changed the oil around 12,000 miles anyways even though the green lights were still on, and that's after pretty hard driving. Scary. The other weird thing is that the vehicle burns something like a quart of oil every couple thousand miles, and it's less than a year old! BMW claims that's within standard operating procedures... |
redneck
| | Posted on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 04:47 am: |
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LOL Landrovers being self lubing means fresh oil is always being added to replace lost leaked oil , so how can one say there is a biuld up of sludge . |
jan pellenbarg
| | Posted on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 09:38 am: |
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You guys are good customers for Esso and Shell, we had a guy in Holland, manager of a smaller lube oil company who claimed that the modern multi grades last at least 4 times longer, he nearly got killed by the oil majors.
But the man is right, you can notice it at the oil change intervals stated by the car companies nowadays. MY 2002 TD5 service book states 20,000km what is exactly factor 4 compared to the old days.
But please keep consuming a lot and buy from Shell, keeps the company in good shape, I work for them and have some stock options. |
gordon sitts (Gsitts)
| | Posted on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 02:04 pm: |
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I can't dissagree with long mileage extended oil changes more... I once knew an engineer working for Yellow cab in NYC and he said thru their testing they confirmed that 3k oil changes were the optimium for hard usage and longevity of there fleet versus of course cost... I followed his advise and have had 5 vehicles past 250k miles
still running strong. He also advised me that one of the engine killers is liquid products of combustion, Acids etc which pass thru all filters and can't be removed by any means other that new oil. Even the best high tech oils can't eliminate contaminations.
That my $.02 worth
Gordon |
Jeff E (Jeffe)
| | Posted on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 10:19 pm: |
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Interesting that LR "recommends" 7.5K service intervals during the "free" service intervals to 45K. Now that I have completed the last of the free services I noticed the reminder sticker on the windscreen now says next service 3,000 miles.....hmmmm. |
gordon sitts (Gsitts)
| | Posted on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 11:51 pm: |
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Yeh, If you think about it the LR wants your truck to last long enough that your satisfied with it but not so long as to hurt future new car sales, maybe 125k or so. So how best would they accomplish that?? Maybe let the oil do it for them?
Just a Thought
Gordon |
Greg Hirst (Gregh)
| | Posted on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 02:47 am: |
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I'm a firm believer in ignoring the recommendations of manufacturers in both oil change interval AND viscosity. I bought my "89 RRC in 9/92 with 30k miles and immediately changed the oil to a quality synthetic (mine is Mobil 1) in 15W50. I change oil every 4k. At 120K, I just changed the water pump and decided to change that scary original nylon timing gear. I was pleasantly surprised to note that it had virtually no play in it but feel alot better with the Cloyes Tru-roller installed. Compression is in the high range with 2-3% diff in cyls. I don't have access to do a leakdown test.
My 2001 Audi S4 recommends 0W30 or alternatively 5W30 or 40 and changes every 10k miles (except the first 10K when they say change at 5k as well). The first 50K oil changes are done free of charge by the dealer. I trust very few people to do quality work and the dealer is no exception! Even though I supply my own oil (again Mobil 1 15W50) they've routinely dumped oil on my exhaust, overfilled the crankcase, and left the botton shield only connected by one or two screws (there's at least 4)! I do my own oil changes between the factory recommended so it gets changed every 3300 miles.
The only reason "lighter" weight oils are now recommended by manufacturers is not to extend the life of your engine but to assist in meeting ever tightening emissions standards and fuel mileage requirements. If your engine holds together for 100K they think you should be happy! (My old 1988 VW Jetta GLi 16V just hit 450K on 4K changes of Mobil 1 and the short block has never been touched).
Many european manufacturers are soon going to 2 year or 20,000 km change recomendations with these lighter weight oils (Porsche is one). In fact, the OEM Audi filters (Mahle) say on them "to be changed every 2 years or 20,000 km" from the dealer. I guess that they don't care about brand loyalty from someone who might keep their vehicle 10+ years or 300k+ miles.
I'll get off the soap box... |
JEN STOLEN (Rovr4x4)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 12:40 am: |
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REMEMBER, THE 7.5K OIL CHANGES ARE STATED IN SALES AS A WAY TO KEEP THE COST OF MAINT. DOWN. WITH THE LARGE AMOUNT OF LEASE VEHICLES THESE DAYS THIS IS IMPORTANT TO MANY "RENTERS" AND CAN MAKE OR BREAK A SALE. ALL THE MANUFACTURE WANTS IS THE VEHICLE TO MAKE IT OUT OF WARRANTY. IN TALKING TO ROVER TECHS THEY STATE THAT THE 7.5K SERVICE INTERVALS WILL SLUDGE UP THE ENGINE AND THAT EVEN UNDER WARR THIS IS NOT COVERED. LOOK UNDER SECTION FOR EXTREME SERVICE INTERVALS (FROM THE SOUNDS OF IT IF YOUR ON THIS SIGHT YOU QUALIFY FOR EXTREME SERVICE) |
Bill K (Bill_K)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 09:29 am: |
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I think the reason for the long oil change is a selling point. I dont agree with it though. Cars today seem to be "maintenance free". Change spark plugs at 90k, cap and rotor at 60k (my old integra), 100k mile fuel filters (thats what a rover dealer told me once)etc. etc. manufacturers tell you that you dont have to touch the car for a long time because thats what most people want to hear. The manufacturer wants your car to be trouble free during the warranty period only. If you change the parts at their recommendation, your car will probably last through the warranty period but it's not going to be a high mileage car. Some people are fine with that. A lot of people like to lease vehicles and could care less about the car. Many others trade cars in after the warranty runs out. As for the light weight oil, it helps increase the MPG, which looks better to consumers. |
Bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 04:41 pm: |
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Damn an, I hope you were kidding about the oil down the street drain. My wife's grandfather drove a 3-inch PVC pipe down 6 feet with holes drilled in the sides and that's where he dumped his oil! I nearly had a stroke when I saw him do that. He does not do it anymore. He was simply ignorant of the consequences to us all. |
OLIVER CLOTHSOFF (Everythingleaks)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 09:27 pm: |
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I WORK IN A DEALER, BELIEVE ME THIS TRUCK NEEDS THE OIL CHANGED EVERY 3K. I HAVE SEEN VEHICLES SLUDGE UP BY 30K WITH THE RECOMMENDED 7500 MILE SERVICES. ALSO WOULD ROTATE TIRES EVERY SERVICE TO KEEP FROM CHOPPING |
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