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Robbie (Robbie)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 09:28 am: | 
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Hey all, have a quick question on trail ettiquete. Who has the right of way on a one lane trail when it is a slope? Going up, or going down? Level trail? Biggest truck wins?(jk) Any other trail ettiquete to be aware of (besides tread lightly)? Thanks! |
Milan
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 09:34 am: |
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Going down. It is much harder/impossible to back up a slope than to back down the slope. On level trail it depends on who's more polite or closer to some bypass. |
Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 09:55 am: |
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Unless you are on lion's back, in which case if you are going down then YOU have the right of way ALWAYS, and the prick coming up toward you should simply be shot. |
Robbie (Robbie)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 10:29 am: |
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that is kind of what i thought, just don't want to make a trail faux paux. have already taken all the white out of my truck as it is after Labor Day  |
Ron
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 10:32 am: |
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Technically the person going up the hill has the right of way but generally it is whoever can pull of easier.
Always offer assistance to those in need is #1 rule. |
James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 11:15 am: |
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In CO. person going up has right of way, however, as Ron mentioned it is whoever can pull off easier.
Jaime |
Milan
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 11:54 am: |
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How do you back up a really steep slope to yield someone? Especially if it's slippery (mud, snow, ice, wet rocks). Does not make sense. Unless I'm just about to crest a hill and see someone half way up and can stop or back up, I would not even attempt to yield someone. |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 12:02 pm: |
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Im with you Milan that rule is incredibly stupid, are you sure you don't have it backwards Jaime?? |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 12:11 pm: |
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i yield to no one and give them the "stare" and finish my beer as i drive by them
rd
p.s. when i am drunk i cant spell... |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 12:13 pm: |
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and if they want to start trouble we break dance fight...
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Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 12:19 pm: |
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nice to see you fixed some of the spelling Rob but it still sounds like you are going to buy them something as you drive BY them
Now, take that:
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Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 12:25 pm: |
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hmm,, everything looks good to me
rd |
James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 12:27 pm: |
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Nope Carter, although I do like Rob's concept only with a vodka and soda. When we were doing the Alpine Loop and other trails in CO., the uphill vehicle has the right of way. You also start to remember where that last passing area is located. And yes, in some areas the uphill driver backed down as he was closer to a yield area. Also we waited at the top of a pass until the vehicles coming up were close by a yield area before we started down.
Jaime |
todd slater (Toddslater)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 03:25 pm: |
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If all else fails here is what a retired navy buddy of mine professed to me..."the rule of gross tonnage" not gonna argue it |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 03:42 pm: |
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Well if you ever see me on a trail don't expect my to be backing up any hills for you. |
Robbie (Robbie)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 03:49 pm: |
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great, so what i learned today is......? dammit, nother day down the drain. in this instance, will just use common sense i suppose, as i can never count on the other person having any. |
James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 03:57 pm: |
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"When four wheeling, there are a few rules of the 4WD road that will help make your trip more enjoyable. Though other four wheelers and outdoor recreationists may not follow these rules, if you do, you will be doing your part to make four wheeling in the Colorado mountains more enjoyable for yourself and everyone else.
If you meet a: 4WD Vehicle going opposite directions - (depends)
On a hill, the downhill vehicle should yield.
On all other terrain, move to a wide enough place in the road to pass safely. May require backing up."
Above commonly used as Rules of the 4wd Road in Colorado.
Jaime |
Milan (Milan)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 04:01 pm: |
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Right Robbie. The common sense is that on a "real" hill you don't start up or down the hill if there's a vehicle on it already and if the vehicle could not be seen and there are no places to pass, the vehicle coming down the hill has the right of way.
P.S. Unless you're in CO apparently. This is kind of dissapointing as I thought they had steep hills in CO.
P.P.S. I now see that Jamie mentions 4WD Road. I don't think that's the same as a trail or cut-line.
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James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 04:08 pm: |
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Think the one difference in CO is the pass roads are so long that you can't see the whole hill at one time especially with the switchbacks.
Robbie, all of the vehicles we encountered followed this guideline so it is a good place to start - at least in CO..
Jaime |
Steve
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 08:59 pm: |
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Although it does not apply off road, the California Vehicle Code requires that the vehicle proceeding down hill yeild. I think the logic was that while backing up the hill may be more difficult, the driver backing up hill is less likely to loose control of their vehicle. Nonetheless, common sense should prevail. So each situation should be judged seperately. |
Steve
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 09:43 pm: |
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CVC:21661. Whenever upon any grade the width of the roadway is insufficient to permit the passing of vehicles approaching from opposite directions at the point of meeting, the driver of the vehicle descending the grade shall yield the right-of-way to the vehicle ascending the grade and shall, if necessary, back his vehicle to a place in the highway where it is possible for the vehicles to pass. |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 09:53 pm: |
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"highway" that's the key
rd |
Milan (Milan)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 09:56 pm: |
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I think this has to do more with being able to get going again.
On the trail, I can for sure tell you that backing up a slippery steep hill may prove to be physically impossible and if attempted, may put you sideways.
Of course, common sense should apply everywhere but some rules of thumb are good and they do usually stem from common sense. Then there's that saying: "When in Rome...". So, if I ever do CO pass roads I will yield up-coming traffic. I would expect the same courtesy from an uphill going vehicle on our trails. |
Brian Friend (Brianfriend)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 09:47 pm: |
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I think the whole reasoning behind the down hill guy yeilding goes back to the horse and buggy days when it would be more difficult for the guy going uphill to start the buggy again. Just a theory but as Mark Twain said, "beleive only half of what you see and nothing that you read." |
Marc Ingham (Marcingham)
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 09:14 am: |
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I think Jaime might have misread his Colorado rulebook:
"When four wheeling, there are a few rules of the 4WD road that will help make your trip more enjoyable. Though other four wheelers and outdoor recreationists may not follow these rules, if you do, you will be doing your part to make four wheeling in the Colorado mountains more enjoyable for yourself and everyone else.
If you meet a: 4WD Vehicle going opposite directions - (depends)
On a hill, the downhill vehicle should yield.
On all other terrain, move to a wide enough place in the road to pass safely. May require backing up."
I think the "downhill" vehicle refers to that vehicle which is downhill relative to the other which would be the one driving up the hill.
I could be wrong, but that is how it reads to me (no offense intended, Jaime - it is a rather ambiguous sentence). |
James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 09:27 am: |
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And of course no offense taken. Interesting interpretation and perspective, however, I can only relate to what we experienced. While we were going up any pass road or trail (3 LRs), anyone coming down, even if more than 1 vehicle, definatly stopped, found an area, and let us go by. We follwed suit and it appeared it was expected.
Jaime |
muskyman
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 09:47 am: |
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I would tend to agree with the downhill vehicle would refer to the one that is down the hill.
for safty sake when ever I see oncoming traffic from above I yeild way to a safe position at once.
it just makes more sence on the trails I ride. a truck comming down has gravity working against you.
in all my years of wheeling I have never seen someone lose control and fall up into another vehicle.
but the motorcycle tackle in the discoweb moab video comes close |
Barry
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 01:46 pm: |
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Off-road, the vehicle traveling downhill yields to oncoming traffic by pulling over, or reversing to make a passable section of trail.
Of course, courtesy dictates if it's easier/safer for the uphill vehicle to pull over.
Anyone traveling uphill in a D2 WITHOUT CDL will realize the value of this common safety etiquette.
-Barry |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 02:26 pm: |
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Barry,
Next time you are on a REAL hill (preferably one that is a little slippery) try backing up. You will soon find the rear of your vehicle sliding sideways and if you keep going you will find yourself rolling down the hill. |
Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 06:31 pm: |
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Jaime, there ain't steep hills on Alpine Loop.
peter |
M. Recke (Disco_Obsession)
| | Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 06:23 pm: |
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It depends ,
1 if the downhill driver is driving a fully loaded logging truck and has smoke/flames emitting from all his brakes and is outta control.You give way
2.The Downhill driver is a wreck and it's obvious that he/she has no respect for his/her or your vehicle.You give way
3. The downhill driver has a gun pinted at you.You give way
4. The downhill driver is a big breasted blonde!You give way and oggle with your eyes!
LOL |
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