The sheer guts and feel of a Land Rover

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Author Message   Pete Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 10:37 am:    I must have a illness. Why is owning a Land Rover so much different from other trucks? The feeling of a Land Rover is just, how shall I say it, exciting every time I drive it. I have owned a Chevy and Ford in the past, my whole life I have only owned trucks. A Land Rover is amazing, even the way in takes bumps on the road feels different from any other trucks and of course its different off-road. I remember driving my old Bronco off-road but driving my Land Rover is completely different and a lot more fun. And I have never had any problems with my Land Rover, no electronic gizmo crap failures or any other shit. (I guess am lucky) And I really beat the shit out of the truck as well. The steering wheel is thick and you can see complelety over the hood and the substantial feeling of a Land Rover makes you feel like you got one huge heavy duty truck in a compact form. This is why I like Land Rover, this is my illness.   Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 10:45 am:    Only 11 steps more to go! They say recognizing the illness is the hardest part.   Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 10:48 am:    Yeah you're a land rover fan when: You shift into low ratio in traffic. Not just for fun, but to keep things loosened up. You engage HDC (D2 owners only here) on the steep hill on the way to work. You try not to feel proud as you drive by a dozen other suvs and you see their occupants are straining their necks to look at you. And your driveway has multicolored sand and mud patches along its edge LOL   scott Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 01:41 pm:    Add to that... When you read discoweb BBS every day. When you wave to other LR owners (A new Freelander passed me on the highway over the weekend and the wife in the passenger seat waved with that "Hey, you have a LR too!" excitement - I knew they had the sickness too).   KJ Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 01:43 pm:    And let's not forget: Chicks dig 'em! Karen ;)   Bill Gilmore (Mountainjeep) Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 01:54 pm:    Its worse when you are a Jeep owner trying to figure out how to swing the justification for another four wheel drive vehicle in the family and put together the financing to make it affordable. I'll get there eventually...I am really quite sick!   Alan Yim (Alan) Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 02:10 pm:    My name is Alan and I'm a Land Roveraholic.   Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 02:10 pm:    How about when you feel a void and a bit of sadness when friday night comes around and there is nothing on your truck to work on. It is a very lonely feeling. Sometimes I go in the garage and just invent stuff the truck doesn't feel neglected.   Jason Vance (Jason) Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 02:13 pm:    When, at the end of the day, you can sit down to a pint of Guiness or Newcastle with your arch adversary "Lucas."   Dan Cronin Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 02:28 pm:    Chick's dig 'em? Maybe I need to move away from Seattle. I haven't come across those elusive "chicks". Hmmm. Maybe it's time for a road trip!   Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 02:31 pm:    I'm more curious about the Friday night where the truck doesn't need attention!   Scott from OZ Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 05:14 pm:    I am a roverphilliac - new to the game. I have a disco 1 and II. Bought within a few months of each other. Before that sedans. I love the things. The series one if anything has more character. Having said that, the down side is the Friday night jobs. I think I will be working on it (the SI) forever. But despite that I still smile at the little toad when I see it smurking away to itself in the garage, illuding the tarmac once again and getting one over me in the process.   Steve (Scrover) Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 05:25 pm:    When you lay under the truck for much longer than necessary, just to get a better understanding of how it all works. (Hope I'm not the only one - I'd feel really silly)   Michael Noe (Noee) Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 05:33 pm:    Oh, don't worry Steve, I'm there with ya. What's *really" bad is when you start yelling from under the truck to your "wife" to "..come out here and take a look a this, you've got to see this....here, look up there...see what I'm talkin about..."   Ross Thoma (Rossthoma) Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 05:40 pm:    Nah, you are not the only one Steve I like to hang out under there and look at the straight forwardness of the design and feel the warm flow of contentment wash over me. Mind you mine don't leek no oil yet so the "warm flow" is a bit diferent for me. Ross T   Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 05:41 pm:    "When you lay under the truck for much longer than necessary, just to get a better understanding of how it all works. (Hope I'm not the only one - I'd feel really silly)" I know that feeling....once I fell asleep for a few minutes just looking around.   Clif Ashley (Cta586) Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 05:42 pm:    Not the only one there, Steve. Me too...   Carter Simcoe (Carter) Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 05:44 pm:    You aren't addicted yet if you view the Friday night jobs as a down-side. BTW Dean I to am guilty of shifting into low-range in traffic. And laying under the truck forever just looking at stuff.....   Scott from OZ Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 05:57 pm:    Carter - I only see the Friday night as a down side at the moment, because I am working on the thing Mon, Tues, Wed, Thurs, Sat and Sun aswell!   BMac66 Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 06:18 pm:    I was talking to a guy the other day. First thing his new Loser Cruiser got was ARB diff locks, lift kit, etc, etc and he reckons he gets into some serious off roading. He freely admitted however, he didn't have a clue how any of it worked, he never lifted the bonnet ( hood ) and was going to trade it in on a new one after 3 years. Thats the difference between a roverholic and the others. We want to know whats inside the box. Bruce.   Greg H Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 06:41 pm:    When I bought my '89 RRC in '92 all my friends thought I was an "elitist snob". I tried to explain to them how I learned to drive in '77 in a series IIa in Utah and how it was in your blood or something to appreciate a rover and that I wanted one for years and not trying to impress anyone, they thought I was crazy. When I took it offroad first time in '92 (Coyote Canyon-Anza Borrego desert)all the dirtbags in their rusty toyotas and jeeps told me I was crazy to "take such a nice vehicle on these trails" and I told them that's what I bought it for. Now lying/working under my RRC is my only refuge at my house from wife and two daughters (except the john-I spend alot of time there too-just need a phone jack for laptop). It's comforting to know there are others like me. Greg H   Scott OZ Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 06:43 pm:    My kids chase me under the car - god help them, they will catch the disease!   Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4) Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 06:57 pm:    IS that good or bad? Rovers are very enjoyable I am glad I have one. Or whats worse when you look under someone elses Rover to see if its leaky or goes offroad?   Carter Simcoe (Carter) Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 07:31 pm:    Ha Ha, yeah it does get old when something is going wrong every day Scott.   Alex Cabrera Posted on Sunday, November 03, 2002 - 11:25 am:    Greg H. I was thinking the same. LOL. I'm mulling the idea of putting in a dsl connection in the head. Then I can really "step into my office".   Will Bobbitt (Rkores) Posted on Sunday, November 03, 2002 - 11:48 am:    I have an '89 RRC and after I park I always turn around and look at it and make sure that everything is ok. I also lay underneath it for long periods of time to try and figure out how stuff works....I am addicted!!! Will   M. Recke (Disco_Obsession) Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 04:30 am:    I'm not addicted I'm Obsessed. I have a sickness, it started Christmas eve 2001 when I bought my '96 Disco. I have another car a Ford station wagon, on outings my kids insist that we go in the Rover. We Disco spot ( like the poms do with trains, although we do not take notes.) My boys 6 and 7 yrs old are experts at picking the highroof of a Disco approaching in the far distance, they are now Defender, 110, Freelander and Rangerover spotters. I read the Discoweb BB everynight and on weekends check it a couple times a day. I bought a Haynes repair manual, I change my own oil, I service my Disco, I wash it more often than my previous car. I buy 4WD magazines if there is a picture of a Disco on the cover. I am proud of my Disco, I love to go away on weekends offroad.I drive for many hundreds of miles and want to keep on driving , a pity we arrived at the destination! I look under the hood frequently, I crawl underneath and lay there gazing at the workings. I hunt through brochures and on the net for stuff that one day I can afford to buy for my Disco.I correct the ignorant that call it a Range Rover, IS THERE A DISCO ANON THERAPY GROUP OUT THERE ! I NEED HELP!   Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 09:56 am:    OK, guys, I have really gone and proven the extent of my addiction. I am now the proud owner of a 1967 Series IIA that I have yet to see! I have only seen one picture of the truck and was hooked from the time I was told the price. Surprisingly, when I finally worked up the nerve to show the picture to my wife (after the wire transfer had been confirmed) she affectionately told me it would be cute-some day! I got a good one, eh? Friday afternoon, we leave for a 500 mile adventure to West Virginia pulling a trailer behind the Disco to bring the pieces of the little one home! She is even bankrolling the trip! Now to find a place to hide it from the neighbors! Please pray for my recovery from this awful disease!   John Moore (Jmoore) Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 11:14 am:    Ouch Paul, what next an MG, Triumph or how bout real punishment.... A Fiat? I felt the same about my 88RRC. It hurts, I just sold it to buy a Disco 2. Yeah, I'm guilty of laying under the thing. I always wore protective goggles to protect myself from dripping oil and rust! When I finally sold my 88RRC, my neighbors could not believe it especially after all the repairs and mods I had done. They were even more shocked to find out I was going to buy another Land Rover! I washed it constantly. -John   Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 11:58 am:    NO! I won't be buying any of those vehicles. First off, I have had the wonderful experience of riding in an MG-and getting to work on it after it died in the middle of nowhere Kentucky... Triumph-motorcycle only! :-) Fiat? I already own a troublesome vehicle for which I must order parts from overseas... I think I'll stick with the Rovers. The truly funny thing is that it was only a few years ago that I said I was not going to do any work on my vehices any more... Now that I have a Rover, I have established a corporation and am building a garage to work on them in... What was that about never say never?   Joel Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 12:03 pm:    What a relief to know that there are others with the same virus. Ever since I got my Disco, I have been on the net surfing on the anything I could find about it. In a few months I seem to know more about it than my mechanic. Yes, guilty of spending a lot of time crawling underneath just starring....at times with a flashlight. I love driving it and cant get over the robust feel and comfort it gives. Im hooked! You guys just made me feel better. I will forward this thread to my friends who think Im crazy!!!!   John Powers (Powers_99_D1) Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 02:59 pm:    Guilty on many accounts! What the hell is it about these things anyway? I know�I know�they are very well made, they employ simple but ingenious engineering, they look cool, chicks dig�em, etc, etc�.I have heard them all. On more than a few occasions I have read and heard that people in the UK have a similar affinity towards some of our US model trucks and cars. You have to ask yourself, is it the vehicle's ability, its appeal, or its heritage that drives many of us to such lengths? I know that this topic has been discussed here before, but I always enjoy the rational, the irrational, the serious, and the not so serious reasons for this phenomenon. That said, I have not heard an explanation to date that puts a finger on any tangible reason for all of this. �and all of this comes from an owner of a stock 99� D1 who has yet to hit the dirt after a year of ownership! There, I said it, I have not hit the dirt yet! It kills me, but its true! I hope that soon I will be able to join the ranks of at least the light treaders here in NJ as this is not a dedicated trail rig by any means. Ok��.I�m finished for now! What a mess?   Kevin Howell Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 03:24 pm:    i've always wanted a disco, but my wife thought they were ugly and prohibited any purchase. instead, i had to buy a gay expedition. we just got divorced, and as soon as the ink dried on the decree, i gave her the fagwagon and bought myself a disco-1 in pristine condition. i was immediately initiated into the brother(sister)hood when the heater core sprung a leak after having only owned it two weeks (you don't know what a nightmare is until you've r/r'd one of these puppies on a disco). i'm just now finishing the job. nothing stings like driving your f-150 around town while observing other lr owners command the road! thank goodness i'll be joining you guys again soon. btw, could they have made that core any harder to service? it'd have been easier to get to if they had mounted the damn thing inside the block!   Alan Yim (Alan) Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 03:49 pm:    John, wait till you take it off-road...you'll be a mess afterwards.   Ray Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 04:09 pm:    I used my disco 97 once a week (36,000). But after i go home I go to my garage and stare-stare-stare at it of course with some cold stuff until its dinner time. Once in a while I put (4) 1600 pelican cases on my adventure roof rack then at the back one 1550 pelican sandwich between two jerry cans painted in semi-gloss olive drab. Then stare-stare-stare- until 4 cold cans gone. Then I to bring those pelican cases again for storing. Its just crazy but by just looking at it you feel good. It looks more beautiful the more you look at it. This thing is addictive. My wife said I have more time with my LR than her. he-he-he. I dont even pay attention to the other car a 2000 BMW 328. And the bimmer is always dirty while the LR is always shiny.   John Powers (Powers_99_D1) Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 04:21 pm:    I figured that... I have been in about 15" of water and a few muddy fields with it already,(Ha Ha) but I can't wait to find the opportunity to really give it a run. While in Aruba, I had taken a Suzuki on several pretty challenging and fairly steep trails(Probably more steep than an inexperienced driver should have tackled, but we were following a few others). I haven't been the same since. My thought was, if I could do all that in a stock Suzuki what would life be like on the same trails in my rig. I'll get there...I just have to figure out the when part!   Retardriot Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 05:43 pm:    i dont even have a land rover yet, im desperatly trying to sell my 93 Exploder and getting a 96+ Disco 1. I must say, i dont care how much shit people say about land rovers..theyre ugly..bad maintance...etc etc....i dont care, theyre like nothing else, i love them, i wave to land rovers goin by, even though im in an exploder i still have the LR sicness.   IMX-2 Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 08:33 pm:    "I love you guys!" It's nice to hear that I'm not the only Roveaholic. Hey uhh do any of you, you know at night when you your turning off lights locking doors just peak into the garage and get that last glimpse, as to say good-night? Yah Yah I know "Im Rick and Im a Roveaholic." Any people in the Salt Lake UT area wanting to go wheeling, e-mail me or post.   Shawn McKenzie (Shawn) Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 08:51 pm:    I totalled my old car. Mother in law said "you really need something that seats 6 or more" She meant minivan! I had already been looking (praying) for a Disco for about a year. The insurance settlement was what it took to get me over the hump. You should have seen the look on M-I-L's face when she saw our S1! Hey, it seats 7, what else was I gonna do? Went to Moab totally stock the first summer, wife drove a bit and is fully addicted now too. My cool brother-in-law w/ his Jimmy came along to mountains once last year. $800 later his service manager said "don't ever try to follow a LR off road with this truck again" HAAAA! Life is good!   Alan Yim (Alan) Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 09:59 pm:    AHAHAHAAAA! Shawn, that's funny. I was reading a road test review on some site (I think Edmunds) where they took a Disco for an off-road test to some test site of theirs. Coincidentally, they also scheduled an off-road test for a Mercedes ML320 SUV I think it was, the same day. They were doing some basic testing and the Disco driver decided to try some harder stuff. The Mercedes driver followed for a bit before the Disco guy said, "I don't think you should follow me anymore. You're going to get stuck." Needless to say, he ignored the Disco guy and followed him anyway....he got stuck. It was a funny review. The Disco reviewer documented every detail.   Jim Posted on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 11:01 am:    M Recke, I have my 7 year old daughter trained to spot Rovers on the road and call them out also. And Yes we do wave at the passing Roves.   Paul Schuetz (Schuetz) Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 02:54 am:    I've put almost 12,000 miles on my new work truck (Ford F150 4x4) in the last 2 months, but I can't wait until I get home and back into the driver's seat of my '91 Classic. I too check this damn board everyday, I must be addicted and my girlfreind utterly confused. She doesn't understand that I would rather take her wheeling with my Rover club then lay around our house all weekend. I thinks she's turning into an alchoholic, she seams to only be able to go offroad with me while self medicating with Bicardi Silvers while yelling at me in "Spanglish" that I'm nuts and she's never going with me again.   Tom V (Cozmo) Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 06:24 am:    Paul Its great you've come out to us. However as a fellow roveraholic don't hide it from your neighbors be proud of what you are,who you are. Draw strength from your support group(us). Help other find the strength to be open and honest about their addiction. If nothing else the looks of bewilderment on the neighbors faces is priceless.   Pete Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:20 am:    I can just see all us standing in front of our LRs saying, in a zombie voice, LAND-ROVER...LAND-ROVER...LAND-ROVER...LAND-ROVER! AHAhahahahaha LOL!!!!   Eric Pena (Evalp) Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 05:16 pm:    You know you are a addict when you spend a weekend wiring lights to a roof rack and through the roof of a $40,000 vehicle and have no problems with it. My family also are trained to spot Land Rovers, even my 12 year old daughter. She wants and Land Rover at 16 and was asking me when we where going to get a lift for the Disco. I think its great!!   Jon Bowers (Jonbowers7) Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 11:09 am:    Thank God there are others like me. When my 3 year old son and I walk out to the driveway in the morning he decides whether we drive the 97 D1 or 94 D90. Like others here, he's highly trained at spotting and IDing the difference between D90's, discos, RR's, and "Old ones" (series) Rovers as he calls them. It amazes everyone. My wife (also a budding Rover freak), doesn't know which one of us is worse, me or my 3 year old as we park on the couch and watch Camel Trophy videos and my son will scream "that's cool!" or "the muddy disco is stuck!!" It's an addition, a sickness and I'm proud to say I'm passing it on!! (Now We just need to make room in the drive for another IIA)!!   Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 11:45 am:    We are apparently not the regular Rover drivers. Yesterday, as I was returning home with my new truck, at one point in the wilds of West Vriginia, I realized I was holding up a huge line of traffic. Being the nice guy I like to think I am, at the first chance, I pulled over to allow everyone else to pass me. The second or third vehicle behind me was a Series II Discovery. NO WAVE! Now, if you are driving a Discovery and see a fellow pulling a Series Rover on a trailer with a Disco, are you gonna wave? I'd sure as hell hope so! Peace, Paul   Eric Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 04:48 pm:    I think I know what might be contributing to this disease. Lets say the average owner age is 40. Remember the movie Born Free? Remember all those national geographic magazines? Remember all those encyclopedia britanica descriptions of Africa and South America? Remember how they always had a Land Rover pictured somewhere? Then we aged some. Then as young adults we saw all those cigarette ads with the Land Rover in some exotic locale... some guy looking like a cross between a turkish soldier and Magnum PI? Then came the Camel Trophy... WOW! And now as you watch the Discovery Channel, world news etc... whenever there is something going on in some far away place... there's a picture of a Land Rover. Why is it there? What is it doing? How come they picked a Land Rover? Hmmmmmmmm... well they didn't pick a ford explorer, or even a jeep. Occasionally you see a hummer or a landcruiser. But mostly a Land Rover is there doing the dirty work.   Todd W. McLain (Ganryu) Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 04:48 pm:    Paul, FWIW, I'd probably flag you down and buy you a cup of coffee .... just to compare whether your disco leaks in all the same spots as mine and to get an up close look at the series.   Tom V (Cozmo) Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 05:02 pm:    Paul Much like Todd I would pull over buy you a beer etc. The difference with me while my wife talks to you I would check your series for parts that I might need for my series.....Just kidding, I do like to wave to other Disco owners, must of the time if they even notice me waving they give that confused do I know you look. A few do wave back. Keep th faith Tom   KJ Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 06:53 pm:    I come by it honestly, having been born in Africa...... Karen   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 06:56 pm:    Eric, "Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom" was watched every Saturday night when I was a kid. Jim would hang out in the locked Rover with the camera while Bob would go out and try to neuter the African Lioness in front of her cubs. Good stuff man!   John Moore (Jmoore) Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 07:11 pm:    Over the summer I drove my 88RRC from Albany, NY to Prince Edward IS and finally to Cape Breton Novia Scotia. While at a lobster supper, in Cape Breton, I was approached by a fellow with an Atlantic British T-shirt, who prompltly asked me about my Rover. (He figured me out by the Rover's North RR T-shirt) We had a few beers talked about Rovers, he had a series and two RR's. (However, he had drove his mini-van from Richmond, VA!) I logged over 2500 miles, pulling a camper. It was great. Later found out I blew a head gasket. Awesome trip, made better by my Classic, it drove like a beast. Paul, I would have waved! However, many soccer moms or Dads don't get my waving. Eric, to your point, when I got my first RRC, I was too turned on by the fact it was a Land Rover like Marlin Perkins drove in Mutaul of Omaha's Wild Kingdom. By the way, who was his side kick that wrestled lions and swam with hippos? -John PS, check out my profile, that's a shot of me on Cabots Trail near the turn off to Meat Cove, Novia Scotia.   John Moore (Jmoore) Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 07:26 pm:    Paul, you posted the answer while I was posting... Ah yes Jim... Every Sunday night before Disney.   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 08:14 pm:    Yeah Man Good stuff, It's been a long time but I remember: "I'll stay inside the safe haven of my British Rover as Jim attempts to nueter the Rabid 5,000 pound Bull Elephant."   KJ Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 12:32 am:    Well, except for that ONE time when Marlin and Jim were both wrestling an anaconda (or comparably-sized snake) in a river, and nearly both got drowned. Anyone else remember that one? That might have put Marlin off anything very exciting after that.... Karen   Todd W. McLain (Ganryu) Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 03:48 am:    If I remeber right, wasn't Lorne Greene the moderator for Wild Kingdom? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Also, they still play the occasional episode of Wild Kingdom on Animal Planet late, late at night/morning.   Jess Alvarez (Jester) Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 12:57 am:    I am in the same boat as you guys. I bought it on a Monday afternoon. On Wednesday night, I almost got it confiscated on an indian reservation that was the closest place to go test the HDC out. (stupid, I know) On Saturday of that week, I took a couple of buddies with me and we went and did Trail 42, which is a pretty bad hog. They were amazed at how much of a TANK this thing is. Quite honestly, so was I. I have been hopelessly addicted since then. I have had it since April, and have done probably 10 or 12 trips with it. Not bad for 7 months On one trip, my uncle, who owns a D90, and his buddy who owns a (eek) jeep were amazed at what my truck did...stock. I followed them up every hard spot we hit but one, which was a clearance problem for my disco. I am currently working on the modifications to remedy that situation. Another funny story is that I have a friend who is VERY competitive. No matter what you do, he has done something better. No matter how good the Disco is, his (snicker snicker) stock Montero can hold its own against it. (bahhh haaaa haaa) We were at a hard hill, and I decided to shut him up. The Disco made it up the hill flawlessly. His didnt even come close. Then I let him drive the Disco up the hill. He kept his mouth shut about the rover after that....of course now he uses the "its always in the shop being fixed" line. Who cares...I love my Disco. I always wave or give a thumbs up to another Rover owner. My girlfriend doesnt understand it. My friends dont either. Thats ok...they dont have to. I must say that the biggest thing that bums me out is that people buy these vehicles and the only offroading they see is in the parking lot of a mall. The only loads they ever carry are boxes of shoes and soccer kids. And THOSE are the people that dont understand why Rover owner wave at one another. God help them get the addiction. God help them all. Jess in Phoenix   Mark Wilson (Wisco1) Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 04:28 pm:    I had to chime in here and have to agree with eric (about the whole National Geographic and Cammel trophy days of my youth. I have owned a ford bronco, cj 7, dodge pickup (3, since 94) ford Pickup 1, and a chev suburban and I just bought a 91 rr and a 95 disco 1 within 3 months of each other, still trying to sell the suburban, and I love them both. I have visions of bringing my new baby home(yes the human kind) from the hospital in the Rangie and hope it learns to drive in a rover of some kind, maybe by then I will have 2003. Its the mystic, its simple there is magic behind the little green badge. All the best Mark   Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 07:31 pm:    Mark: If you think the green badge is magic, you should see what the shiny aluminium oval does!