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Steve (Steve2)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 06:49 pm: | 
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hey all
need to gauge a new product idea.
a carbon fiber hood for the disco with
cooling vents, mounts for a spare tire,
and mounts for a shovel and axe.
this would be f1 quality carbon fiber
with the same structural quality as
the race/ rally cars have.
i would try and get it to be in the $750-$850
range...
or if you have any other ideas for cf use
on a landie, please let me know.
regards
steve |
Michael Villanueva (Michael)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 07:18 pm: |
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Steve
A while back there was a discussion with photos as well of what a DSII looked like with a tire on the hood.
I myself contributed a few shots taken from inside the vehicle to show how dramatically reduced visibility becomes when putting a tire on the hood.
Are you planning on sinking the mounting area for the tire?
I likely would not buy one -- but more to my concern of the lack of energy absorption carbon has in a crash. A metal hood crumples, absorbing energy -- I do not know how a carbon hood would react.
Don't laugh here, but what I personally would be interested in would be a rear door that handled all that stuff and was made out of carbon. Great reduction in weight and nifty places to store stuff along with the ladder built into the door.
Michael |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 07:22 pm: |
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I'll be honest, I probablly wouldn't pay that much for a hood but then again I am a starving college student so don't take that as a accurate representation of the whole board. Just out of curiosity how are planing on doing the spare tire mount? These are some pics from a thread about the matter a while back, and there doesn't seem to be that much room under the hood to make to large of a recess for it. I'm not bashing your idea I am honestly just curious, I think it would be cool if you could get the tire up there and still be able to see in-front of you.
-BTW does anyone know what kind of roof rack that is??? |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 07:24 pm: |
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damn, beat me to it michael |
Michael Villanueva (Michael)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 08:29 pm: |
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Damn! What a fine ass truck!
And to think I actually gave that Lev-O-Gauge in the picture to Greg Davis. Yikes! What was I thinking?
We went wheeling last weekend and my wife grabbed the overhead handle, looked up, screamed, and said "Where's the gauge?????"
I said it rests in better hands. |
CarlT
| | Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 09:12 pm: |
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Carter
I think that is a Wilderness Rack.
http://www.4by4connection.com/discovery2.html |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 09:24 pm: |
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I am possitive it isn't a Wilderness rack. Thanks though. |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 09:54 pm: |
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you guys knock the leve o gauge, but man i tell you i feel like i am about to roll and i look up and it's on 20 deg, it really helps me out.
rd |
Blake Luse (Muddyrover)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 11:27 pm: |
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what about shovel mounts on the existing hood?
Like the defender can get. |
Alen
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 12:06 am: |
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Hi Steve,
Count me in for one.
Try to see how much for doors and rear gate.
thx
Alen |
Steve (Steve2)
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 01:49 am: |
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hey guys -
the more i think about it - a tire mount is no good for the hood. (thanks for the pic of the tire on the d2 carter).
i think a rear door might be first - as they are the same in the d1 and d2's. obviously the way it mounts to the car would have to be looked at - but we could write our ticket on what it could do.
also thought about the following:
1: replacement rear roof section - with sunken built ins for tire, fuel cans etc. it would utilize the part of the roof we really don't use...
2: molded light pod for the front of the roof.
3: molded interior side pockets (ala g4 disco) for rear hatch area.
4: cf sliders? they would weigh about 15lbs each? also they would be shaped so the will SLIDE
5: how about a half length rear roof rack that weighs 20lbs? so it can be removed easily by one person.
the cf hood would have vents, and mounting points for tools - but best of all - you'd be able to step on it! design wise - i am going to look at the hoods off of the audi sport quattros for influence. and also see if it could be made to fit d1 and d2 - that would made production cost lower as well.
back to the rear door (no pun intended) - i feel that has the most merrit. please give ideas and such. this is the brain storming session for all of us. do we want to keep the std rear glass and seal? or go with a glass from another land rover or other vehicle.
regards
steve
ps hey mike v!! |
Dave_Lucas (Dave_Lucas)
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 09:10 am: |
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Hello Steve,
I am really not familiar with Carbon Fiber and the strength characteristics of it but the following options sound neat if they would be strong enough.
1. Gas tank skid plate for the DII.
2. A front half basket/rack, make it low enough so that it is no higher than the rear roof, this would allow me to get into my garage and have additional storage. You would need to remove the factory rails and plug the hole. Also have a removable section of the floor so you can use the sunroof when you do not have the rack loaded.
I also think the sliders sound interesting that you posted, however that would depend on if they are strong enough.
I would be happy to test some of the items you make on my DII if you need a test subject. Where are you located? |
Michael Villanueva (Michael)
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 09:54 am: |
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That is not a Wilderness rack -- that is a rack a guy here in New Mexico built for me (and that is our truck and *my* photos! Carter is just too fast on the search there...)
The cost of the rack plus powerdercoating ran about 850.00 -- I told the guy what I wanted and he built one as a prototype. That was a good one, but a might bit too short. Sold that one to Glenn last summer. Then the guy built another one, a little longer, incorporating many of the mods I thought were necessary (the best one being an extruded metal catwalk running down the middle of the rack)
Now Steve
Really, the things I would be interested in would be the rear door (as suggested), the roof section, and the sliders. I think that carbon / graphite as material for the DS has been completely overlooked until your thinking to make use of such material. That shit is strong -- way strong. Plus, what would be really cool would be to embed the carbon sliders with fiber optic stress sensors that would light up a "slider stress" gauge on the dash! (Drool....).
Michael |
Michael Villanueva (Michael)
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 09:57 am: |
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Forget the image.... I just cannot upload a picture of ANY size from this computer.
What is up Ho? I get that same old security violation page. |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 10:21 am: |
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Thanks for the rack info Michael. BTW your tire pics are saved in the "from BBS" section of the photo gallery if you ever need them again -thats where I pulled them from. |
Steve (Steve2)
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 12:33 pm: |
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dave l.
i had the same idea right before i went to sleep last night. i have the same problem with height. i think a front load basket of stock height would be cool.
how about a front 'frame' with molded openings for lamps (ipf 968's hella 500's as they are not alot of $$), diagonal side vents and drains.
the front basket would be the same height as the carry bars are now. the center section of the basket would remove to allow use of sunroof. then in the center section - there would be sections for nato size fuel cans and other stuff.
in the rear section -
these would have a mostly sunken part for a 33" size tire and sunken openings for fuel cans with openings for straps. this would mean cutting into the roof a hole as large as a large s/roof - but then a big double sealer gasket (replacable and maybe a std lr part?) would act as the water barrier, and the roof section would have 'feet' that would extend to the roof rails to act act as the load bearing equipment (arb make some really nice roof rack feet - might use them) - this way it would fit d1 and d2, be modular and servicable.
meeting with the engineer next week to discuss plans....
on the rear door - need input!!
what do we want on it? for cost effectiveness i think we should reuse the stock glass and seals - and be able to use the rear ladder - so what about making a shelf / basket that comes out to the edge of stock bumper. the shelf would then extend into a hollowed out section of the door that goes in as far as the stock door panel now.
and allowing bracket points on the inside of the door to attatch tools?
probably 1st in the field will be sliders to see if they can support a 5000lb truck on a rock!
steve
ps feel free to email me direct if you like |
David Marchand (Dmarchand)
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 01:19 pm: |
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Steve,
That slider one would be tough. I have used CF handle bars and seat posts on my mountain bikes. You have to be extremely careful in just using the clamps (such as for the stem to handlebars). If you chafe/cut the first layer of the CF, then the bars become scrap in a hurry.
It also get's brittle in the cold. I snapped a handle bar (I weigh 190) the other day. It was about 32 degrees out. Granted I dropped the front hard, but it should have taken the hit.
I think Easton has some info on their CF goods floating around in cyberspace. |
oops
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 01:26 pm: |
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carbon fiber rock slider?
I don't think those words go together in the same sentence. |
???
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 01:36 pm: |
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hood vents as in "let the hot air out" or "let the water in" or both?
shovel/ax mounts on hood would be nice, but there's always the roof rack.
benefit of carbon fiber hood could be weight savings.
why do you want to stand on your hood?
a lightweight but strong easy on & off roof rack may be something interesting, but why on earth would you want to cut into your roof for a sunken rack?
could a carbon fiber rear door handle the task? and more importantly, why would you want to find out? |
smartass
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 01:52 pm: |
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I think you all need a carbon fiber helmet. HA! |
Chad Meyer (Ccdm3)
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 02:05 pm: |
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Steve,
What I have noticed when dealing with CF bike frames and parts is that it is very capable of bearing heavy loads, but does not do well in collisions. A CF frame is lighter, more forgiving, and stronger (weight bearing) than other materials, but sections often break off when in a collision. It is easily repaired however. You simply "glue" a new section in to replace the piece that broke off. If you were to use CF for a roof rack it would be able to handle more weight than the gutters would allow, but so do most others on the market. The problem would be if you brushed into a low tree or some other obstacle. The CF will likely break. As for using it for a rear door, I would be concerned about slamming the door shut several times a day. The CF is brittle and you may lose corners.
Remember...I am basing my assumptions on my experience with bikes. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 02:18 pm: |
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I think everyone gets caught up looking at carbon fiber and dont think about what its true porpose is.
it is to build rigid parts that see directional forces but no abrasion.
to learn more about using it talk to these guys
if you where going to make sliders you would need to use a composit laminate of carbon fiber sheilded with a layer of ballist material such as kevlar.
you guys bitch when sliders cost $600 well they would cost a couple grand if you made them in composite.
and the weight savings would never accumulate into anything so why do it |
adtoolco
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 04:10 pm: |
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Ideas are niether good or bad until tried or clearly thought out. If we never tried anything new, we would still be living in caves wiping our asses with our hands, sniffing our fingers.
-Chris |
adtoolco
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 04:25 pm: |
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I shoud have added "bare" before "hands".
-Chris |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 05:22 pm: |
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now only rob does that. my how far we've come. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 06:46 pm: |
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wow thats the second time in two weeks that someone responded to one of my posts with a reference to putting there fingers in there ass.
whats this bb coming to?
my point is the idea to try to save weight on body armour by using paper mouche dosent need to be tried to know if its a good idea or not
IMHO |
carl
| | Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 04:32 pm: |
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I would like to see an attachment for the front of a Safety Devices rack that helps air flow "over" the front. Also a basket for the front portion of the rack which could hold things like on the Xterra.
Your thoughts? |
Joshua Weinstein (Untrakd)
| | Posted on Sunday, November 03, 2002 - 12:54 pm: |
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I think the hood and rear door are good ideas! the rest are not so good. This is beacuse of all that you have mentioned, the hood and rear door incur the least amount of impact. For the hood, I would do a straight copy and put brackets for shovels and stuff on later, rather than intgrate it into the moulding. As for the rear door, also a driect copy would be great. I would definitly pick one up, just think if the only significant weight was in the tire! no hinge problems! |
Clif Ashley (Cta586)
| | Posted on Sunday, November 03, 2002 - 02:35 pm: |
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This is sort of radical... but Ive always prefered the RRC tailgate to the Disco rear door. So... swing away spare-tire carrier and new tailgate. Whatta you guys think? |
my96disco (Trevorh)
| | Posted on Monday, November 04, 2002 - 03:05 pm: |
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Clif,
I like your last idea.
Steve, something to think about might be a light mounting unit for those without a rack, sort of like the freelander or j*** liberty. That is if you could make it look right.
Trevor |
Jeremy Hamilton
| | Posted on Monday, November 04, 2002 - 05:40 pm: |
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Steve,
I work in the mountain bike industry and have had tons of CF experience. The only thing that would interest me would be the sliders. However, CF is strong, extremely strong, when hit. You can hit a CF bike frame with a hammer and it won't really hurt it. The problem comes when it is hit with a sharp object, and we all know that rocks are not smooth and do not allow things to slide off of them. Musky had a good idea with the kevlar "shield" but like he said it would be expensive as hell. If you could get people to spend that much on sliders that actually do work they would look really bad ass. Of course everyone knows that is the most important thing of all is looking bad ass and not being bad ass. Hehehe. If I had a lot of money and they actually worked I'd buy them. I'd also test them if you really thought they worked in real world applications. |
E Snyder
| | Posted on Monday, November 04, 2002 - 05:48 pm: |
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The tailgate idea I've thought would be good, because tailgates are so practical, but it screws with the ability to get a sturdy ladder mounted. (Hence the walkable hood, I suppose  )
And the rear doors aren't the problem here, it is the HINGES. Figure out away to put another hinge or two on the door, and we'll all buy the kit. |
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