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Rich Lee
| | Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 11:18 am: | 
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Greetings All,
I am �salvaging� My 1995 Disco and applying the same payment amount on a beautiful 2000 Series II Disco. I would like to do some �minor� upgrades on it, as it will be mainly the kid hauler. I have read the info on the tech section, but it has not yet answered my questions, which are:
Will a 265/70-16 tire fit in the wheelwells of an unmodoified D-2 (with SLS) without rubbing? (same 30.5� OD as the 245/75-16 tire, but 20mm wider)? My better half forbids me to chop up the front airdam and it looks like there is not much room for a bigger tire without cutting it
I want an �all terrain� tire in this size that is at least �S� speed rated (which excludes the BFG ATs), good for on road and less aggressive than my Dunlop RTs. Anyone have experience with the Yokohama Geolander AT Plus II ?
Will the KVT �bent bracket� fender fix work on these trucks? How well?
What is the best �Cheap Bastard� lift for these trucks?
I have stock rear springs from both a 95 & 99 Disco sitting around. Will these work on the front of a stock D2 without excessive lift/harshness? Front OME springs for the D2 seem to have a softer rating than those for the D1.
I am looking for 40-50mm lift and comfort here.
Does anyone have the specs for the stock D2 springs?
For the rear, I hear people are either spacing the airbags, or �re-adjusting� the sensor link. What is the best practice for this?
Anyone had their airbags go flat?
I prefer the ride of Bilsteins on my D1, how are they on the D2?
Thanks in Advance |
Pete
| | Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 02:55 pm: |
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265 tires will rub slightly in the front, you will need to adjust your bump stops. As for springs, can't help you with the D1 springs, what I do know is that you can get two OME MD springs for the front and adjust the air bag sensors to make it level. I have air bags as well and never had them go flat although if you beat the crap outta them something might happen. The OME MD springs will be fine for you because it sounds like you won't have much weight in the front, i.e. bumper, winch, etc. But still they will sag just a little as with any spring. Bilsteins are a excellent shock for mall crawling, and some off-roading. Why don't you look at some Pirelli Scorpion ATs at the Tire Rack in the resources link, those are a good all-round tire with the ability to perform off-road. |
Rich Lee
| | Posted on Monday, November 04, 2002 - 12:31 am: |
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Pete,
Thanks.
I'm aware of the bump stop adjustment, but I am worried more about the clearance with the wheelwell liner just behind the fromt bumper/airdam. It seems pretty close to the stock tire and I don't think my wife will let me "trim" it.
I have a lot of experience with Bilsteins both on and off road. The ones on my 95 D1 have almost 100k miles on them and are doing very well. Although they may not be as "compliant" off road as the OME's, I am used to them, and I need as much on-road help from my shocks as I can get, since we have such twisty, steep commutes.
Actually, The Scorpion AT's are a close second on my list. They are one of the few tires in 245/75-16 that are specified to fit an 8" rim, and they are "S" speed rated (in the lighter load range).
However, the Scorpion ATs are not available in 265/70-16 and I would prefer to stay at least as wide as the original 255mm tires (but I'm flexible). Also, I would prefer to stay in the "mild" larger tire size range of 30.5" to 31.0" for reasons of gearing, accelleration and fitting on the rear carrier without having to invert it.
Lastly, the Scorpion AT's are $103/ea in 245/75-16, the Yokohama AT+IIs are $89/ea in the same size and $80 in the 265/70-16 that I am thinking about.
So, what are you using for tires and suspension on your D-2? and how do you like the setup?
Does anyone know the largest tire size that will fit on a stock D-2 carrier?
Thanks
Rich |
Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
| | Posted on Monday, November 04, 2002 - 10:02 am: |
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Rich, I have the Yoko Geo's and love them. There are some others referring to them in the "What Kind Of tires Are These?" thread. |
Pete
| | Posted on Monday, November 04, 2002 - 11:18 am: |
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Right now I have a stock D2 as well, with stock shocks and all. But I do have BFG ATs 255-70 r16 tires, and I feel that this is the best size for a stock disco and even with a very mild lift. 265s will rub the inside the wheelwell if you don't trim. If this helps I did find the Scorpion AT in the 255-70 size for $98. Can't help you with the Yokos but as Greg said they are a good tire as well. I love my BFGs but they are bit steep in price. I will someday put the OME MDs in the front and play with the air bag sensor. This is about as close as you can get to the Cheap Basterd Lift with an air bag equipped D2. Oh also the 255 tire fits the spare carrier, the BFG runs slighty larger than normal 255-70 tires and i have it on so the Scorpion will fit.
Good Luck |
Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
| | Posted on Monday, November 04, 2002 - 12:02 pm: |
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If you REALLY want to go cheap, you can run some small spacers up front. E-mail me if you're interested. |
Erik G. Burrows
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 10:10 am: |
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Rich, you do not have to trim anything to fit 265/75s on your new DII. Check this out:
My HOWTO |
adtoolco
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 07:07 pm: |
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Hey Eric...Nice website. Very imfomative.
-Chris |
Rich Lee
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 10:58 pm: |
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Thanks Eric.
I think this is even more ingenious than Kyle's no-cut rear fender spacing bracket fix. I take it there are no mods needed to the rear fenders?
Greg, when I have at a computer that is not locked-out for e-mail, I'll contact you.
I see how easy it would be to put a spacer under the front spring perch of a D2 without limiting lower shock pivoting, or risking breakage of the lower shock mount studs (as in the D1). The real trick would be a simple, cheap, adjustable spring perch that would work with the stock front springs, withstand off-road abuse and be a simple bolt-on affair that could be adjusted with a simple collar wrench without removing the tire.
While we're at it, lets see a similar setup for the rear springs/air bags as well as for the SLS sensor.
Sell the whole thing as a kit, marketed as the "Dual-Sport" or "Marriage-Saver" D2 suspension kit (I'll expect to see the royalty checks in the mail soon). C'mon all you engineer/entrepreuners, lets see what you can do.
Thanks everyone for the advice.
Rich |
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