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Giodean (Giodean)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 08:34 am: | 
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Im in a 99' Series I with 68k miles.
Any reason my passenger is sagging?? |
Ramsay (3toedsloth)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 09:06 am: |
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My '96 DI does it too. I think it's cute.
hahaha
JR |
Brian Friend (Brianfriend)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 10:08 am: |
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Think positive....your right side is not sagging your left side is feeling aggressive. Mine does it too. |
John Kruger (Johnnyk)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 10:19 am: |
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It was built that way.... |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 10:25 am: |
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Put someone on a diet! |
Giodean (Giodean)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 10:34 am: |
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Hey, thanks for all the feedback....but does anyone have a real solution??? |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 10:59 am: |
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Possible solutions:
New springs.........
Maybe reverse the springs from left to right and see if it levels out.........
if these are new springs, did you buy matched set? or OME's that are unmatched?
Shim the passenger side........
Carry lots of weight on the driver side for a month or so, to settle it down.  Kidding.
Buy a set of used springs to replace the sagging side.........
Look for obvious weight differences in the truck that may be causing quicker sag on that side. Gear, load arrangement, etc......
Is this a NAS truck or European? I think the gas tank is located differently, in sufficient a manner to create a lean on eurotrucks. I think this may be the reason for the OME's coming in differing lengths for left/right placement.
Any of this help? |
Parrish R. Blackmon (Discoveryfl)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 02:31 pm: |
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Springs, springs, springs.
Replace the springs. While you're at it, replace the shocks too. I'm on my way to do just that on my 97 Discovery. Old Man Emu has a nice set. Not really impressed by the Billsteins. |
Giodean (Giodean)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 03:36 pm: |
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OK...so with the kind help of so many it seems the overall choice is new springs. So now the new issue....my suspension is stock now.. what springs should one use?? |
Parrish R. Blackmon (Discoveryfl)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 04:46 pm: |
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ARB makes food stuff. I prefer their products over stock. ARB also stands behind their products, and they've been trail tested. Discount Rovers is the place to get'em. |
charles pastrano (Charles)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 07:38 pm: |
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http://www.expeditionexchange.com/ome/index.htm
Look no further this will answer your leaning question and you can purchase a matched set too. You can not beat their service. Just installed my springs today. THANK YOU EE FOR MY SPRINGS AND KYLE FOR A GOOD INSTALLATION WRITE UP IN THE TECH SECTION.
Charles |
Jeoffrey Nathan (Jrnathan)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 01:33 pm: |
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What is a matched set vs non -matched?
I just had my springs replaced 7mos ago with what I was told were heavy duty springs, they are blue, not sure brand name. I do remember the mechanic showing me an extra spring that came with the springs, which he told me was for a Range Rover. Anyway my truck is sagging 2inches on the drivers side now and even more when I have the truck loaded up with stuff. I can push down on the passenger side easily, but can hardly push down on the driver's side. Any thoughts on this, could it be a shock issue, I have Bilsteins?
Thanks... |
Kirk Thibault (Kirkt)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 01:45 pm: |
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Matched versus non-matched refers to, at least with Old Man Emu coil spring sets, springs that have a specific driver-side (marked "DS") and passenger-side (marked "PS") spring for each pair (e.g., front springs like the OME HD 779's for the DS2 or OME 751's, etc.) The DS and PS designations mean just that - install the DS spring on the driver side, the PS spring on the passenger side. It is my understanding that the springs are of slightly different height to compensate for inherent weight distribution characterisitcs in the vehicle that may cause listing in an uncompensated (i.e., same spring on each side) vehicle suspension. Expedition Exchange
www.expeditionexchange.com
has a detailed discussion of this topic on their site and offers both matched (DS/PS) and unmatched pairs (*S/*S).
kirk |
RJ Clayton (Tozovr)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 02:09 pm: |
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This Matching springs thing is new to me. I've talked at length with Tim Lund at ARB/Old Man Emu about "matching springs" ie: using all driver's side or all passenger side springs on a coil spring rig.
When a rig leans, they typically lean to the passenger (US) side, because of the transmission of torque tends to compress that side...and therefore create some sag over time. This will be exagerrated over time if you wheel the truck and even more so if you're not running anti-sway bars. This is true for Rovers and Jeep...and counteless other vehicles.
Old man Emu makes 2 types of spring for every rig (aside from HD, VHD and comfort...)...there are "a" and "b" springs. One is a Passenger side spring and one is a drivers side spring. It Makes no difference as to what country you live in, Austrailia or the US...the Driver side spring goes on the side that the driver sits on. It is also 10 to 15mm taller than the pass side spring. AND it is the same spring rate. Just taller by a hair.
Now when you stick a Driver side coil on the passenger side of a US vehicle, you'll be counteracting the sag induced by the torque transmission...but if you're running the same coil on the Driver side, you will eventually notice that the pass side is lower....right? I'm just being logical here.
ARB admits that they have a few customers who say this works, and I'm sure it does. It just doesn't make sense to me. Or to ARB. BUT, I must imagine that the inconsistancies between trucks (even one VIN apart) must make for some UN logical things to work. Or Maybe the AWD has something to do with it as the torque transmission is split front and rear, whereas on a RWD it just goes to the back when in 2wd.
Just my $.02...Your Mileage and Results WILL Vary...
RJ |
charles pastrano (Charles)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 05:14 pm: |
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Go to EE and they your question will be answered. |
RJ Clayton (Tozovr)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 05:39 pm: |
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Charles, I know their reasoning, and I'm certainly not saying they're wrong. In application it seems as though that method is working for them (no screaching rover owners demanding their "other" spring). If you read what I said and with whom I discussed it you'll notice that I wonder why it works. Over time won't the DS settle?
I'm not bashing these gusy either, It's cool that they've found something that works!
Cheers!
RJ |
James Bolton
| | Posted on Friday, November 29, 2002 - 07:37 am: |
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Interesting debate, I have lost sleep wondering why my 96 Disco was leaning to the Drivers side. It leans the same way as yours, just that I mine is resident in Australia. I worked through all sorts of theories; extra weight on the RHS due to spare tyre seemed logical. Then I thought maybe those brilliant Solihull engineers built it that way to counter the effect of road camber. (Don't forget we drive on the wrong side) Have slept reasonbly well since my mechanic informed me that they all lean and it only needs correction if it is greater than 2 inches. |
John Moore (Jmoore)
| | Posted on Friday, November 29, 2002 - 08:38 am: |
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Giodean, to get back to your question, what type to use? Maybe you should tell us how you use your truck, Highway, offroad, towing, etc. New suspension will really change your rig and maybe not the way you hoped. Check out the other thread about the guy who got OME springs/shocks then wondered why it didn't feel stock.
On my 88RRC, I used it mostly for highway and towing, I got Bilsteins and LR HD rear springs. I was happy. Handled much better on the hwy and didn't sag (As much) while pulling.
Many of the guys here will say OME, That's because they wheel, and that's what that combination is set up for.
Get informed before you buy, ask lots questions.
Good Luck!
-John |
RJ Clayton (Tozovr)
| | Posted on Friday, November 29, 2002 - 07:24 pm: |
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Quote:Interesting debate, I have lost sleep wondering why my 96 Disco was leaning to the Drivers side. It leans the same way as yours, just that I mine is resident in Australia. I worked through all sorts of theories; extra weight on the RHS due to spare tyre seemed logical. Then I thought maybe those brilliant Solihull engineers built it that way to counter the effect of road camber. (Don't forget we drive on the wrong side) Have slept reasonbly well since my mechanic informed me that they all lean and it only needs correction if it is greater than 2 inches.
Tim actually said that in the countries that are RHD, the problem is worse as the torque and the Driver's weight are on the same side, and that's why they began with teh type "a" and "b" springs. |
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