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R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 01:17 pm: | 
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So after spending the weekend up in the hills hunting in a very dry, dusty, cold (10 degrees) area, then driving to work and back on Monday; I noticed that my left rear brake was smelling hot, the wheel itself was warm to the touch. I figured the caliphers had gotten sticky with dust etc... Decided to pull the wheel off and clean it out and see about checking for movement in the caliphers... 15 minutes later I have 2 of the nuts loose, but the others are still on.
Is it just me or are those pretty little chrome caps completely useless? I couldn't even get the tire iron all the way on the things. And when I was successfull at turning the nut it would strip (crush) the cap so badly that I don't think I was able to tighten them back properly, and I doubt they will ever come off without being damaged badly. One of them is already damaged from the previous owner - I am afraid that one will need to be cut off some how.
First: How the heck do you get a wheel off a Discovery?
Second: Are there any actual wheel nuts that I could fit instead of the idiotic original ones? Who sells them?
I can't believe it - If I happened to get a flat tire I would have to be TOWED just to get it fixed - I might as well not carry a spare! |
Ramsay (3toedsloth)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 01:28 pm: |
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At least you won't have to worry about your wheel falling off...
Seriously though, same thing happened to me while I was putting on my new steel wheel set (pics soon?). I broke the LR lug wrench, a 15" breaker bar, and a socket wrench (yeah, yeah, I know. If I broke a breaker bar, why try the socket wrench? But I ask you, "Why not?") Finally I just took it to one of our mechanics and had him break it free with the impact wrench. Best advice is to make sure you don't over torque your lugs next time when tightening. I think I'll also take them off and was the studs occasionally from now on. As for the replacement lugs, I don't know... but the factory ones look rather menacing and I like it! Later on.
JR |
Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 01:34 pm: |
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If you think that's bad, be thankful you don't have the factory theft-resist lugs! These things are such a pain in the ass that every time I encounter them, I strongly encourage the owner to get rid of them!
Had a 90 brought over to the house for some work and one of the tires was so bad, I wouldn't test drive the truck. it took two people to get the spare off because the factory theft-resist lugs use the OD of the nut for the spare and the ID for the tire. The OD wrench wants to cam out of the nut.
I also find that if the truck isn't serviced regularly, the lugs can be near impossible to remove.
I use a big ass breaker bar with a six-point 1-1/16" socket. FWIW, it is common to need to drive the lugs out of the socket. Upon reassembly, I always use a tiny bit of anti-seize and torque to 90 ft-lbs. This will allow for emergency removal without heroics. |
R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 01:38 pm: |
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Thanks for the info - 1 and 1/16? That's what will fit those things? But what about replacements? |
Ramsay (3toedsloth)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 01:54 pm: |
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I use 27mm, 6 point. But I guess that's like saying tomato and tomahto.
Now that I think about it, there's someone on this site that seems to have extra lugs, of several varieties, around. Try a search perhaps? Sorry I can't help more.
JR |
Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 02:57 pm: |
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The early Rangies used a lug with the same profile, but lacked the pretty stainless caps.
As for the size, I agree, it maybe more like Tomato and Tomatoe (with apologies to Dan Quayle).
The 1-1/16" seems to work pretty well for me, andit has fit allof the Rovers I've worked on. Maybe I'll go buy a 27 m/m and see how it fits! 1.0625 inches equals 26.6875 m/m-pretty close! |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 06:13 pm: |
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yes, get the solid, capless rangie lugs... |
Jack (Olered)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 08:30 pm: |
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I've never read a post concerning the use of the jack extension handles for the breaker bar. I learned this lesson while changing my brakes. I couldn't break the right front wheel nuts loose. After 30 minutes of struggling, I slid the red extension bar over the single handle lug wrench. After that, a baby could have broken them loose. Maybe that's not what it's for but I was out of options. |
Ramsay (3toedsloth)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 10:32 pm: |
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Hmmm...
Use the red bar with caution. That's how I 'modified' my lug wrench. It just twisted that bitch around, didn't even budge the lugnut. I was amazed I was that strong. hahaha However, I agree, I have also used the jack handle to loosen lugs sucessfully. Just make sure you don't tighten the lugs with the handle as well.
JR |
R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 01:18 pm: |
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Let me say, that all of you are right. First, the tire iron that comes with the Discovery should be dragged into the street and shot. Second, it is a 1 and 1/16, but I think a 1 and 1/8 might work better, because you can actually get it onto the nut!
I never got the tire off myself, but I did take it to my mechanic and he confirmed everything that all of you had said in this post. He took it off with an impact wrench, then tightened them with 95 lbs of tourque. He recommended throwing the tire iron into deep water, then buying my own set up from the local hardware store.
Also, he said that it is possible just to rip those pretty little caps off and underneath you have a normal hex nut, but who knows what size it is, and who wants to go through the trouble?
Finally, in a few years I am sure those pretty little caps will all be damaged enough that it will be worth getting replacements, until then, I will just go out and spend a few bucks on the correct tool for the job.
Thanks.
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Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 01:26 pm: |
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Jack,
Same thing happened to me that happened to JR, using the jack-handle as additional leverage when using the stock lug wrench just put a nice spiraled design onto the lug-wrench, spinning the handle around while the socket just sat there....
Plus, it warped the jack handle a bit, making it loose on the jack itself.
Much better to just get a better lug wrench.
FWIW...
-L |
Jack (Olered)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 03:45 pm: |
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You are all correct but...it did work in a pinch. |
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