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Disco Dave
| | Posted on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 06:18 am: | 
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Hey Guys
First let me say that I love my rovers, yes all three of them (�95 D90, �00 4.6 HSK, �00 DiscoII SD), but the brakes on the DII just plan suck! Now before you accuse me of rover bashing, hear me out.
The dealer said, �all's normal� with my brakes, go figure the dealer saying, �that�s normal.� So, just to compare my �alleged� problem, I hammered on a few other DII�s on their lot, and wouldn�t you know it, they all had the same feel: slow response, mushy pedal, and way too underpowered for the DII.
Now, I don�t do much 4x4ing, except for the weekend drive up to Tahoe, but I need better braking performance. I have always upgraded to stainless lines on my street bikes for quicker response time and less mush, but does anyone have any suggestions as to braking upgrades on a �00 DII???
I�ve started to look at some kits at Atlantic British, but if anyone could suggest something that would be GREAT!
Cheers.
Also one last question: My owners manual as well as the dealer both state that I have a 25gallon (U.S.) fuel tank, yet I have ridden her bone dry and on every occasion she has not and will not take more than 22.8gallons (different filling stations as well). The dealer thinks I�m nuts at this point, but I know how much fuel I�ve put in. What�s up with that, to help she is a SALTL not a SALTY, if that makes a difference. Please help me prove the dreaded dealer wrong. Once again, cheers. |
Leif
| | Posted on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 11:40 am: |
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I have put 24 gallons in and it wasn't empty yet.
Are you really sure it's completely out of gas when you bring it in. I don't think that is a very good idea to run completely out of gas. By the way mines SALTY! |
Disco Dave
| | Posted on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 04:13 pm: |
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Yeah I am sure, she coasted in three times on fumes, would not start, then filled it up until it had very small "spill over," toped her off to 22.8gal. Oh, it is not the worst thing in the world, but also not something I do everyday. Once again on every occasion, it only held 22.8 U.S. Gallons. I am not the original owner, bought her with 5k miles in june '01 from dealer.
Now here is the irony, I have other LR's, I had a '99 DII before she wrecked, and my millage is on par with all the others. No A/C city/highway driving, 300-320miles per tank, A/C city/highway driving, 280-300miles per tank. Thats on par with a 25gal tank, but I know I am not loosing my marbles???
ciao. |
Mark (Mistert)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 07:36 pm: |
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I brought up the same exact brake issue a few weeks ago. it was pretty thorough. do a search. |
Eric
| | Posted on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 10:06 pm: |
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I have put in a little over 24 gallons before.
Eric |
Eric
| | Posted on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 10:06 pm: |
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Sorry, in a 2000 Disco II |
Greg Bright
| | Posted on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 11:50 am: |
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Have you checked the outside of the fuel tank? It it possible there is a dent in the fuel tank? There is a thin metal cover on the tank. Maybe the previous owner/dealer dropped onto the tank and dented it in? Just guessing.... |
AL
| | Posted on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 12:00 pm: |
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Dont know how u guys are getting that kind of millage. Both of mine average around 250 miles per fool tank. One has 9k wich is the 2001 and the other has 43k which is 2000. Either one never got 25 gallons in, usually its 22 or 23 gallons. |
JRoc
| | Posted on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 09:42 pm: |
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So, getting back to Disco brakes I guess they do suck! I have a '95 Disco and was shocked the first time I pressed on the brakes. The brakes seem to be VERY underpowered for the weight of the vehicle. And, the anti lock brake system is a joke! I thought something was wrong with my brakes. Has anybody had any success with improving this horrible system? Or are we stuck with shitty brakes? Stainless Steel lines, different pads, slotted or cross drilled rotors??? Does any of this help? Is it worth doing??? |
Greg D. (Gregd)
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 09:19 am: |
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Disco Dave,
I just received a Land Rover Factory recall on the ABS in my 99 D2.
Basically it said there can be something wrong with the way the ABS system interprets feedback from the braking sensors resulting in longer braking distances.
I know your is a '00 D2, but you may wish to talk to a reputable dealer or trusted mechanic and see if the recall scenario could apply. (my truck is also a SALTY, in case this applies)
Hope this helps!
Greg |
PerroneFord
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 09:57 am: |
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JRoc, your comments are interesting. I have been made aware that the Disco braking system is somewhat different from my 91RR, but the rotors, pads, etc interchange. Your system couldn't be that different I would think. I can stand my truck on its nose without a lot of trouble. Perhaps you have a leak or you need a good bleed.
Are you running all genuine components? Perhaps a brake pad upgrade and rotor upgrade will make some difference for you.
-P |
Dave
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 10:22 am: |
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IMHO, my DII brakes (and others I've driven) are soft initially. The "double pump" principal applies. Tap the brakes initially, then put them on a 2nd time. You'll find a different response.
Compared to other cars, I find my DII brakes comparable. Remember you have a heavy truck.
I am investigating the drilled and slotted rotors Dap-inc. sells. They look like a good option. Especially on long decents or with a fully loaded car.
As for gas, several of the guys I know locally with DII's have found that their gas gauges were off. Apparently the local LR dealer knows this and replaces them when you acknowledge trouble with the gas gauge. But this doesn't solve your tank capacity problem...
Check to make sure the gas station you use has properly inspected pumps. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 10:25 am: |
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I would go out and get a brake vacume pump and change the fluid to a fresh supply of high performance fluid first.
brake fluid sucks up water like it is going outa style.
having it sit on the shelf it does go bad...even in a sealed bottle.
when you have water in your brake lines the heat of braking vaporizes it into a gas this gas is very compresable and yeilds a mushy pedal.
dont think the factory uses fresh fluid. I know a factory bmw dealer that changes and flushes every new car that comes in to avoid this same senario.
once the system is contaminated it takes a complete flush or two to get all the bad contaminated fluid out.
so before you dive into replacing good components change the fluid a few times and see if it improves. |
PerroneFord
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 10:39 am: |
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Muskyman,
You mention a vacuum bleeder system. I use a pressure bleed system. Do you see any advantage to the vacuum system? I reviewed both before I purchased mine and am VERY pleased with it, but I was wondering if your trucks are somehow different than mine???
-P |
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