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Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 09:44 pm: | 
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Well my Disco is having a nice ride on the wrecker as we speak. I was driving down a pretty nice gravel road to a lake for some fishing (never been there before) when the puddle in-front of me turned out to be some sort of entrance to the under-world. I made it out the other side but my truck then died and wouldn't restart. the air filter was damp but there wasn't a pool of water in there or anything, the starter doesn't nothing but click. Any ideas???? How screwed do you guys think I am???? Some water came out of the tail pipe when it was loaded on the wrecker (not to much though). |
Eric Pena (Evalp)
| | Posted on Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 10:55 pm: |
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Well, water could of gone up the tail pipe so that is probably not a big deal.
Water on air filter, could have got into engine? Clicking sounds electrical. You could be looking at an expensive swim. |
ed petrush (Exp)
| | Posted on Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 11:03 pm: |
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If the starter is just clicking then you have an electrical problem, not enough juice getting to starter to engage it.. It could be a few things but most likely one of you battery cables have shit the bed.. could be grounds (most likely) or even the positive cable.. the shock of going into a deep puddle and all the water that might have gotten into your engine bay (obviously there was enough water to soak the air filter) |
Robbie (Robbie)
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 08:55 am: |
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how long did you wait before the wrecker got there and did you try and start it at that point as well? My truck has gone through a couple of big puddles and stalled after them. One time, just needed a second or two and started right up. The other, needed to sit for about an hour, dryed out, then started up. Something might have just gotten a little wet and just needs to dry out (always the optimist....) |
George Clayton (Offcamber)
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 09:36 am: |
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How deep was this gateway to hell....did you pretty well submerge, or just pleasantly surprise yourself? You might try yanking a plug or 2, and cranking over just to eliminate the possibility of a hydro-locked motor.....
Hopefully just electrical, tho.
Good luck! |
Bill Bettridge (Billb)
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 09:45 am: |
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Hope it's not hydrolocked - a starter solenoid will engage (and click) when keyed, but that's all since a locked engine isn't turning.
Let us know after pulling a plug or two. I echo what was said above for your sake - maybe just wet eletectricals (hopefully!)
Bill |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 09:50 am: |
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It's the inertia sensor! push in the button under the hood.
passenger side along the fire wall.
rd |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 09:56 am: |
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Thanks for all the help guys. I waited about 4 hours afterwords, by this time it was getting dark and I didn't feel like letting it dry anymore. The inertia sensor was tripped Rob but even after re setting it nothing happened. I will keep you guys posted. |
ed petrush (Exp)
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 11:05 am: |
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its not the inertia sensor.. if that was the case the 4way flashers would be going off & would turn over but without fuel supply.. I am still betting its a bad battery wire... if you have a volt meter.. check out he battery.. the jolt could have also shorted out the battery but less likely.. check the cables first... |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 11:13 am: |
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you got the ECU wet and it short-circuited |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 12:02 pm: |
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well carter i was crossing my fingers. i have seen a truck trip the intertia sensor and NOT get the flashing lights. AKA al hang's when he was instructed to enter a deep ass puddle a few years ago.
rd |
John Kruger (Johnnyk)
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 03:41 pm: |
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I also have had my inertia sensor trip, but my flashers did not go off.
Go under the hood and give the button a push.
John |
James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 03:47 pm: |
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What Blue mentioned recently happened to my RR. Big puddle; ECU wet from water; flatbedded to dealer; dealer drys out ECU; RR starts right up. Also similar in that it was getting late and didn't have any more time.
Hopefully you'll have the same luck especially as the dealer didn't charge me anything.
Jaime |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 03:50 pm: |
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Jaime - you left one step out of your discussion: dealer charges $125 to dry out ECU
ask me how I know.... |
James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 05:47 pm: |
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Amazing enough they didn't charge me anything.
We're very lucky to have a really decent LR dealer in Tulsa. Know it seems like an oxymoron to place good and LR dealer together, yet, so far our service department is.
Jaime |
Blake Luse (Muddyrover)
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 05:59 pm: |
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sounds like what mine did and i got it towed and the next morning , well middle afternoon, when the shop guys got to it they asked me why i towed it there because there was nothing wrong.
so maybe you'll be as lucky as i was |
KJ
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 06:49 pm: |
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Carter, any news?
Karen |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 07:01 pm: |
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I don't really have the tools, time, or resources to do much on it my self while I am up at school so it got towed to the dealer last night. I went by and it still hadn't dried out, I fiddled with the grounds some to no avail but nothing seemed to help. Hit the inertia switch again just for shits and giggles and of course nothing. The dealer is backed up and probably wont get to it until tomorrow or Wednesday, not that I care to much as I am horribly busy this week as well. I guess time will tell but I will keep you guys posted, on the plus side the rover dealer in Little Rock also sells jags so I bet the salesmen loved the big muddy atrocity they found sitting out front this morning 
Also keep the ideas coming if anyone has any new thoughts. |
Eric Pena (Evalp)
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 07:05 pm: |
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If you had a wet electrical connection, I would think it would be dried by now, but you never know.
Unless you have a dead battery, a bad ground or connection, you might be looking at a real problem.
GOOD LUCK and keep us posted! |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 07:11 pm: |
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the dealer not only dried out my ECU, they reprogrammed it or some other such magic to make it work again. |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 07:14 pm: |
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The battery is definitly not dead either |
KJ
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 07:21 pm: |
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Carter, send me 100 bucks and I'll channel the answer better than John Edwards.
Karen |
adam
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 07:46 pm: |
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Heppens to mine all of the time.. I just unplug the battery for about 5 mins.. fixes her right up.. |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 02:23 pm: |
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Alright, the starter was supposedly fried so they put a new one in, now they say it cranks and is getting fuel but won't turn over. Anyone have any ideas or any experiences that might give me problem areas I can point them to-wards, something tells me these guys don't get this kind of problem very often. |
Robbie (Robbie)
| | Posted on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 04:10 pm: |
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if you got fuel, next step would be to check spark. was going to say check coil to distributor, but you got a 98, so, uh, someone else should chime in. also check that your battery isn't low. i believe if it is even a little bit below fully charged that people have said it won't start. good luck man. |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Monday, November 18, 2002 - 10:58 am: |
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Well for anyone that continues to care I just got the "worse case scenario it's gonna need a new engine" bit from the dealer says the tech is worried my O-rings are blown and a bunch of other shit. I this point I have just said do whatever the hell you want to it since it is just going to be an insurance claim anyway (thank god for full-coverage, the fact that I was actually on a real road this time, and the fact that my dad insurance agent). I'm still trying to figure out how I can work this for a 300 tdi or at least a 4.9, any ideas?? I am actually surprised that my dad seems to be taking all this shit fairly well, I guess I haven't had any big fuck ups in a while so hes giving me a freebie but I'm also glad this didn't happen on a trail (not that I would have driven through it that fast if it was) or I would probably be SOL right now.
Anyway everyone say a few prayers to the rover gods for me and if anyone wants to sacrifice their first born to them that would be cool as well. |
James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Monday, November 18, 2002 - 12:01 pm: |
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a 4.6 would probably be easier than a 300Tdi. As info.; also check out this story on a 4.6 install by a LR dealer: http://www.eastcoastrover.com/106.html
Jaime |
muskyman
| | Posted on Monday, November 18, 2002 - 12:14 pm: |
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blown o-rings?
other shit?
from a puddle?
Carter before you start filling out insurance paperwork get some more info...does the dealer know that your thinking insurance?
this all seams a little tragic for a puddle crossing IMHO |
Chris Browne
| | Posted on Monday, November 18, 2002 - 12:25 pm: |
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Saw a brand new, yet to have it first service J**p GC at Paragon Park last weekend hydrolock its engine after going into a puddle seems the air intake is at bumper height....
Water was seen coming out of the tailpipe after it died in the puddle and tried to start...... |
muskyman
| | Posted on Monday, November 18, 2002 - 12:50 pm: |
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well before I'd pitch a hydrolocked motor I sure would check it out..
yes water is not compresable and all that shit...but i have sean a dozen trucks suck soup(includding a few of mine) over the years and the only ones that were junk were the ones that were twisting huge tires that kept spinning the motor after they sucked the soup.
then they bend rods blow head gaskets and crack holes in the pistons and are pretty much crap.
but more often then not pulling the spark plugs pulling the oil pan drain plug and letting them drain down will bring them back to life.
also modern fuel injected trucks are way harder to get enough water into them to cause big problems due to the longer complex air intakes.
carter...get a second opinion before you pitch the motor go as far as to take compression test to see if all cylinders are even. does it have fuel, spark, ??? get a complete list of what they say is bad and question them how the puddle caused it.
to a dealer service manager a insurance coveres fix like yours can be a tempting pocket to pick |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Monday, November 18, 2002 - 01:09 pm: |
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"to a dealer service manager a insurance coveres fix like yours can be a tempting pocket to pick"
good advice, but if it becomes a transaction between the dealer and insurance company, why should Carter bother investigating to keep the dealer honest? That's the insurance company's job. |
Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
| | Posted on Monday, November 18, 2002 - 02:32 pm: |
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Blue:
I can see your side of this, but if he doesn't need to stick the insurance company with this, it really does lower the insurance rates for all of us, also, he said his dad is his agent and if an agent starts writing policies with high dollar payouts, his profitability goes away and enough of these, so does his agency.
I see this all the time, folks trying to convince my wife that driving through a puddle resulted in scrambling an engine and demanding that their insurance cover it. An astounding number are covered, but rarely without significant bettement resulting in additional cost to the owner. Those that are covered, they all have bumper height air intakes! |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Monday, November 18, 2002 - 03:01 pm: |
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I appreciate all the advice guys. I am actually inclined to believe the worst because it was more of a plowing into a bunch of water at around 15 mph action than just driving into a puddle, I am pretty positive that everything got soaked.
They have by no means told me that the engine is ruined yet just that it is a possibility, they should get back to me later today and I will let you guys know what they say.
The dealer does know that I am thinking of making it an insurance claim. If it does go to insurance I am not to worried because like I said earlier my dad is the agent for the policy and also has other connections to the company so I am pretty sure I can rely on him to keep everything pretty straight. Plus aside from the pain in the ass it has been to go with out a car for this long and the fact that I might not make it home for Tanksgiving a new engine for $500 can't be that bad as long as it doesn't screw my rates up much.
I am definitely planning on swinging by the dealership at some-point to talk to everyone first hand and get a look at what they are saying is wrong, you guys have given me a lot to think about and please keep it coming. |
Eric Pena (Evalp)
| | Posted on Monday, November 18, 2002 - 05:11 pm: |
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Carter, I remember you first said you had a little water from the tail pipe. I was under the impresion it was not that bad so I figured some got up there from the back, but you seem to think it was a pretty good soaking so I say let it go and get a new engine.
Blue is right about the insurance company, but I also see Pauls point, but I don't want to get started about insurance companies. To say the least they all suck and screw us in the end anyway so I say just go for a new engine and let the insurance company investigate if they want!
Carer, sorry to hear about it. Although you will probably end up with a new engine it still sucks to have to deal with. GOOD LUCK! |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Monday, November 18, 2002 - 05:21 pm: |
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Hey, easy on the insurance companies there, thats my dad. Just kidding, I know they are inherently a rip off thats the way they make money
Anyway my dad went ahead and filed the claim today so we will see what happens personally I am tired of dealing with the shit. From what I can gather they have only been working on my car for about 2 hours each day so it will be interesting to see how long this takes.
Thanks again guys, I will let you know how it turns out. |
Diesel Dyke
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 09:33 am: |
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I know this isn't helpful, but a diesel is much less vulnerable to water problems. Unless you hydrolock it, a diesel will keep on going regardless. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 10:31 am: |
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Dyke,
all depends on the diesel and the way its set up
just because you own a VW jetta with a TDi dosent mean your submarine safe by any means.
when you start setting up to go diving the check list is long and complicated. |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 12:31 am: |
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****Update****
It's looking like the engine is still good. Right now they are saying that they think it will be up and running again with a new stepper motor, a change in all the fluids and a good cleaning of the throttle bodies -But also says they won't know if the ECU is fried until they get the new stepper motor in.
Unfortunately I won't be back in it until Dec. 1 because I am leaving town on Monday, speaking of which I am off to the rental car place tomorrow to probably get some god awfull civic or something else smaller than hell (complements of insurance). Should be a fun 400 miles to Louisiana, wish me luck.......... |
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