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mike-cox
| | Posted on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 09:46 pm: | 
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I recently acquired an ARB Bull bar (Airbag) for installating on my 95' Disco I. I can't swing the OME springs yet, but I do have a set of stock rear springs that I can install on the front to offset the increased weight in the front end. Besides the "springs" consideration, is there anything else I should be considering when doing this, or is it as simple as it appears? Thanks for any input.
Mike |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 09:59 pm: |
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I am also waiting for my ARB to come in, but i never really thought about the springs. Do they really need to be adjusted?, I would appreciate any input.... |
Mike Cox
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 08:57 am: |
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From the information I have, Stock Disco Springs are rated at 155 pounds in the Front and 188 pounds in the rear. You are adding around 135 pounds to the extreme front of the vehicle. (Think about see-saws, furthur from the pivot point, the greater the effect of the load). Rovers solution to this is to place a set of rear springs on the front to off-set the increased load. I'm just adding the Bar for right now, 150 pounds of winch will require additional improvements. I'm going to micrometer the bolt holes today and get the largest bolt possible for the attachment points. I would like to hear some of the things that others have done so I don't have to go out and "reinvent the wheel".
Mike |
Bill Bettridge (Billb)
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 09:25 am: |
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If you do not have a winch yet, then you will be able to use the CB lift. Depending on what winch you get will detremine which front springs you will eventually need.
Mike - you will be able to fit 5/8" x 5" bolts in the rearmost holes (one on each side). Some frames require a little reaming, some do not. Just be careful not to overtighten as the frame is unsupported in that rearmost hole and can be crushed quite easily. The bolts that come with the ARB for the 4 forward holes are 1/2" and are fine.
Bill |
John Lee
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 12:37 pm: |
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Mike,
"From the information I have, Stock Disco Springs are rated at 155 pounds in the Front and 188 pounds in the rear."
Sorry, but I think your data source is incorrect. The rear springs on the D1 are not even close to 190 lbs. I would guess that they are more than 250 lbs. as they are both heavier and thicker in gauge than OME 751 springs and have very close to the same freestanding height. |
Mike Cox
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 08:41 pm: |
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Bill, What is a "CB lift"? |
Mike Cox
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 08:45 pm: |
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Oh, by the way, I micrometered the holes on the Bumper frame, on average they were around 17.5 mm.
If possible, I would prefer keeping the bolts all metric. Makes it easier for the "road kit" to have one set of tools.
Thanks for the tip on over-torquing the rear bolts.
Thanks,
Mike |
Wes Legaspi (Wes)
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 10:16 pm: |
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'Bill, What is a "CB lift"?'
Cheap Bastard lift |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 10:28 pm: |
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........nevermind. i am slow today. |
Ricardo
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 10:28 pm: |
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Mike,
The cheap bastard lift is what they call it when you put the stock rear springs in front.
Is this the Mike Cox from Florida.
Rico |
Mike Cox
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 11:09 pm: |
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Hey Rico!
I was over your way this weekend. Met up with Mike and his family and had dinner. Mike said he'd been trying to get you all week.
I'm hoping to have the bumper and some other minor mods done for your event.
Mike |
E Snyder
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 11:25 pm: |
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Be careful with the nuts on the bottom of your headlight cleaners. It's a metal nut on a plastic thread if I remember, and I busted one swapping out the ARB. Soak them first. Just a small tip. |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 11:35 pm: |
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word up enoch. i'll go so far as saying you might want to just order them now from atlantic british or someone who accepts returns. that way you have em when you break them. if you dont break them (unlikely) you can return them 
rd |
Bill Bettridge (Billb)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 09:28 am: |
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Speaking of headlight washers - also watch out for the 3 way check valve that comes from the washer fluid bottle. Slit the hose to get it out. If you try to twist/pull it will break and that little bastard is $20.00!
Mike - I believe the fasteners that come with the ARB bar are standard, not metric. BTW - why would you want to carry extra bumper attachment bolts??
Also the two front frame holes have a smaller ID insert that prevents the frame from collapsing when tightening - 17.5mm = 0.688" - that is way too big for the fronts.
Bill |
Mike Cox
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 09:54 am: |
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"Mike - I believe the fasteners that come with the ARB bar are standard, not metric. BTW - why would you want to carry extra bumper attachment bolts??"
I mean that I would prefer to carry only a metric set of wrenches instead of both metric and SAE. Not that I expect to take the bumper off, but you never know if I might need to tighten it up or...
"Also the two front frame holes have a smaller ID insert that prevents the frame from collapsing when tightening - 17.5mm = 0.688" - that is way too big for the fronts"
good advice! This is the reason I was asking. Actually with a 17.5 mm hole, the bolt would have to be a smidge smaller, which would put it closer to the 1/2 inch provided by ARB. Hopefully in a metric equivilent.
I've also contacted ARB about getting a set of Insallation Instructions. Might have a few pointers in there, or at least a parts list.
Mike |
Mike Cox
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 02:10 pm: |
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If anybody is interested, I received the instructions for installing the Bumper and winches from ARB today. They are in Word format, but they also include a parts list.
Mike |
Chris Welch (Asigiam)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 02:16 pm: |
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I've got the airbag version bar for my disco, and am ordering the easy 4" lift soon. I was told I'll have to re-drill the mounting holes so I don't have that 2" gap between the bull bar and the body. Has anyone done this or know if will have an affect on the strength?
Chris |
Tom P.
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 03:35 pm: |
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D1 Stock spring rates:
Front = 133lb.
Rear = 210lb.
This is straight out of the LR brochure (up to 1997 MY).
Tom P.
96 Disco |
Mike Cox
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 05:22 pm: |
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Does anyone know the color code for the Stock Springs for the Disco I and II's
I have 8 springs, the cleaner ones reportedly came off a Disco II (6K miles). Some had tape indicating their original location. Can anyone fill in the missing locations?
Left Rear = Blue/Green Stripes
Left Front= Yellow/White Stripes
= Purple stripe
= Blue/Yellow stripes
Right Front = Blue/Orange stripes
= Pink/Orange stripes
= Blue/Yellow stripes
Thanks,
MIke |
frank williams
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 06:21 pm: |
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i recently installed an arb airbag compatible bumper on my 96 d1 & then installed my ramsey pro 9000 on it. at the same time i did the cb lift with the help of john lee from whom i bought rear ome springs--764's i think,& front ome shocks & steering stabilizer. i used my stock springs up front & the results are great!! i run 245/75's with negligible rubbing in the rear at full stuff.
the arb instructions & hardware all worked great--didn't have to do any drilling or modifications to install. i have done several heavy winch recoveries with no problems. btw, what part of florida are you guys from?? i'm in tampa. |
Mike Cox
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 07:18 pm: |
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Do you happen to recall what color the paint stripes were on the springs?
Rico is in the Tampa area and I'm in Melbourne.
Check for Rico and Mike Bauer at www.discocrazy.com
I can be seen at www.spacecoastrovers.com
Mike |
frank williams
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 08:15 pm: |
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no, i don't recall the color of the stripes. one thing that john lee does that i liked is to sort the ome springs & ship the same length for both sides. i used the stock plastic spacer on one side of the front & my disco sits nice & level. it's higher in the back, but i needed hd springs because i carry a trials motorcycle in a hitch carrier. do you guys ever go t richloam/claysink or croom?? |
Mike Cox
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 09:08 pm: |
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Rico has an event coming up in a week or two,
check with him.
Mike |
Ricardo
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 11:12 pm: |
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Mike & Frank,
Mike,
I also have the rear springs from my disco if you need them. I think the best thing to do is like John Lee does and match them up by size/height.
Are you going to be at the event? Give me a call to let me know ASAP. (813)926-2483
Frank,
We go to Richloam and Croom on a pretty regular basis since it's so close. We also hit Ocala National Forest. I'm putting together a campout/trailride for the weekend of March22-24.
Go to www.discocrazy.org for more info. or just call me.
If you can't make it that weekend call me anyway and we'll plan a trip to Richloam.
Thanks
Rico |
Mike Cox
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 05:37 am: |
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Is the "lean" to the right caused by uneven springs, or other mechanical design?
I have the two purple stripe springs that I believe came off the rear of the Disco II. They are around 9 coils and a little over 15 inches in height.
I came across some information on one of the Rover sites that indicates that purple is the Extra Heavy Duty Springs, but the unsprung coil heigth doesn't appear consistent with the spring they described.
The Inside/Outside diameters is the same for the purple stripe ones as the one that is identified as the "rear left" spring. I think I'll give it a try unless someone knows of why I shouldn't.
Mike |
brian kluge
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 11:06 am: |
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Mike Cox:
Could you forward to me the installation instructions of a winch to the ARB bar that you received from ARB? It would very much appreciated
since I'm got a crap load of bolts/plates/washers/etc. and have no clue what the heck they're for and I don't want to screw up my winch installation.
Thanks!!
[email protected]
Brian |
Mike Cox
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 12:26 pm: |
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Brian,
You have mail.
Mike |
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