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Christian Frezza (Christian)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 03:57 pm: | 
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How does a suspension lift vs. a body lift differ? Also, does an OME 2" lift basically involve installing 4 springs (med, heavy etc.) and 4 shocks. What does the 2" lift give you on a DII? ie. Better articulation and only clearance if you install larger tires... |
Eric Pena (Evalp)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 04:05 pm: |
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A bit more articulation and more clearence with lift and more with larger tires. The biggest advantage to an OME lift is a MUCH better ride over stock and longer life.
I have an OME HD lift and do not have experiance with a body lift but the only thing you are doing with a body lift is just that, lifting just the body so clearance is only better in front and rear a tad. I also hear it is a rougher ride vs. new springs and shocks.
I say go with the OME HD's...you wont be sorry! |
Ross Thoma (Rossthoma)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 04:33 pm: |
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A body lift gets your body up out of the way so that you can fit those larger tires on without changing the geometry of the sus and drive line.
Not quite a top heavy since the body only has risen. I have one on my truck and I have found only good things to say. Well not quite, the engin is lower in the engin bay and me being 5ft 6in I have to climb in a bit more and the engin runs alot cooler and a bit louder since there is a 2inch gap where the insulation doesn't meet the frame and the air has better circulation. Good in Texas summer bad in Canadian winter.
A suspension lift lifts all suspended components more top heavy but you can tweek the springs to get more chasis hight.
But remember the axel clearence will depend totaly on the tire size you choose.
Man sorry guys all my posts seem to be long winded lately.
Maby it's because my Rovertyn Bumper came in today. (Shameless Plug From Pure Joy.)
Ross Thoma |
Jesse Lessard (Jlessard)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 04:54 pm: |
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what kind of articulation would i get with a RoverTym 3" easy lift kit(2" body, 1" springs) compared to a 3" suspention lift?
thanks. |
nadim
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 05:01 pm: |
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Articulation mainly depends on your shock lengths. For example, with my OME HD springs, I have a 28 inch shock that allows more articulation with RTE drop out cones. |
Erik G. Burrows (Erik)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 05:39 pm: |
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I keep hearing people saying that the 'ride' will be better after an upgrade to OME springs/shocks. What does 'better' mean in this case? Stiffer, softer, less body lean in turns? |
Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 06:46 pm: |
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just better, Erik. no need to elaborate.
peter |
Erik G. Burrows (Erik)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 09:42 pm: |
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"just better" doesn't really answer my question, "What does 'better' mean in this case?". I think elaboration is specifically required. |
Keith Kreutzer (Revor)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 10:11 pm: |
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The stock spring rate is usually a bit on the "soft" side. When you upgrade to a taller and stiffer spring one usually enjoys a little bit less body roll... Couple that with superior shock absorbers and the the road holding (the ability of the suspension to absorb bumps in the road while maintaining good control)is usually better.
In most cases the ride will be a bit "stiffer" but because the shocks work better it's more of a sporty feel than a truck. This all adds up to better cornering, highway control and better four wheeling because of the extended travel of the suspension. I personnally like a suspension lift, it is more expensive but the benifit comes in more usable travel in the suspension. But in many cases, like one who doesn't need all the flex for the terrain and would like to fit bigger tires for clearance under the diffs a body lift could be all that is needed.. Most especially if the truck is getting tires for cosmetic reasons. I have however seen a lot of 4X4's with lockers and body lifts only do some amazing stuff! Hows that for preventing a flame?
That's the book as far as i see it.. |
Keith Kreutzer (Revor)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 10:14 pm: |
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Oh yeah
Sometimes a suspension lift will cause a bit of trouble with other components. Depending on how high you go you will have pinion angle problems, caster problems, and other chassis/driveline problems... What are you going to do with your truck? |
Jens St�rmer (Jenzz)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 12:11 pm: |
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Still waiting for Kyle... |
Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 12:19 pm: |
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Christian, you had better double-check with John at RoverTym. Last time I spoke to him the body lifts wouldn't fit a DII, so springs are probably your only choice(unless you go with spacers, which are usually only used for leveling out a vehicle). |
christian
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 12:31 pm: |
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Thanks Greg. I was really planning on just an OME 2" lift with springs and shocks. I was just curious about the body lifts. |
RJ Clayton (Tozovr)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 12:54 pm: |
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Quote:"just better" doesn't really answer my question, "What does 'better' mean in this case?". I think elaboration is specifically required.
Let me try this, I'll paraphrase a friend...OME is like that excellent movie you hear about... man it's the best ever.. it's gonna knock you out... then you plunk down the bucks for it, and think... hmmmm, that's dissappointing... then months down the road, you ride in a buddies stock rig, and you think, crap, this thing beats and thrashes all about... then, you meet some folks with lifted rigs, and you go wheelin' and your 2" lifted rig whoops butt on bigger rigs, and sooner or later you ride in thier rig, and you think, my goodness... can you imagine dealing with this every day?... Then, one day you rent that movie again, 'cause you're bored... ... and you cannot believe you were ever dissappointed by it the first time...
Sorry for the long winded response, that's the only way I could articulate it...
Oh and I've heard nothing but great things about the RTE gear, but have no personal experience with it.
Good Luck,
RJ |
Erik G. Burrows (Erik)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 01:33 pm: |
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Keith & RJ,
Thanks! Now that's what I call elaboration! |
Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 01:36 pm: |
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isnt RTE notorious for sagging/ |
Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 01:45 pm: |
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Nope. He had a batch early on that sagged, but has since changed vendors. Plus, he replaced any and all sagging springs. I've had mine on for 30K+ miles and no sagging what-so-ever. |
Robbie (Robbie)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 02:16 pm: |
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yeah, the only brand I have heard that is "notorious" for sagging is Bearmach - the big blues. |
\Mike... (Mpeters)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 07:29 pm: |
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Suspension Lift:
OME HD's - Left front and Right rear sagged after moderate use (I'm talking trail use, not driving on the fwy), but lasted about 2yrs.
RTE 3+ Springs - Left Rear sagged all to hell after moderate use, lasted about 1yr. (this was not supposed to be part of the 'bad batch') One of the fronts began to droop about six months later (don't remember which side)
Big Blues - running them only for about 6mos - rears settled about 1/2" immediately after use, but seem to be holding... and I like the feel of these springs, so far...
Body Lift - 1.5", no sag, four years. hehehe
- thing is, if you have a vehicle that beats on these springs a lot, a couple of years seems to be a good life span. The only springs I had that did not sag were the factory springs! But I really didn't leave them on long enough to give them much of a chance to sag...
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now, what was the topic of this thread? body vs suspension lift? it's all about personal preference for tire fitment and where you want the CG of the vehicle to be after you're done. Usually a body lift on rovers seem to be done in conjunction with some type of suspension lift, and rarely just by itself. Probably because of the 2inch limit - I mean, you can lift the body as high as you want, but anything over 2" requires a bit more work than just adding some shiny hockey-pucks under the body mount points. -
oh, and I'm not knocking the shiny hockey pucks - I have about 10 or 12 of these things on mine. |
RJ Clayton (Tozovr)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 10:10 am: |
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Alos VERY important to extend Bumpstops if you're interested in longevity...also kno wthat if you run with disconnected, or no swaybars, the life will be reduced. |
Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 11:55 am: |
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FWIW, John doesn't reccommend his body lift unless you've already added aftermarket springs. The added height w/ stock springs makes for a LOT of sway. |
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