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Tom Hyslip (007)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 06:57 pm: | 
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Anyone familiar with MileMarker electric winches. I know they make some good hydraulic winches, but I am not familiar with their electric ones, and they have some good prices right now. |
Paul Grant (Paulgrant)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 12:59 pm: |
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Hi Tom,
A friend of mine bought a Milemarker E8000 (I think that's what it's called) through eBay for $399 from a dealer in OK. He hasn't installed it yet as his SIII rebuild is still ongoing. However, I have to say it looks plenty beefy, certainly every bit as well built as a Warn or Superwinch. The way I figure it, Milemarker has established itself as THE hydraulic winch manufacturer so I doubt that they would put out a poorly made electronic winch. I'm sure they've done their homework and to put anyones mind at ease they do offer a limited lifetime warranty. I plan on buying one for my Series after the holidays. I'd get one for my Range Rover but I think 8,000 lbs. might come up a little short for hauling a fully loaded truck out of the muck.
Paul
PS, you should be getting your end cap today or tomorrow. Thanks! |
Tom Hyslip (007)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 01:03 pm: |
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Thanks Paul. I was concerned about the size also. What would you recommend for a RRC, 9000? |
Tom Hyslip (007)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 01:04 pm: |
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Forgot, they are Ebay right now for $325 if anyone is interested. |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 01:43 pm: |
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Tom, do you still have a line on the Ramsey 12,000 winch? |
Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 01:57 pm: |
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This is an amazing deal on the milemarker 8000lb winches. They have 50 of them on ebay that are selling for $325 each. I have been planning on getting a warn 9000 but they cost at least $750, or more than twice the milemarker winch. I know 8000lb is too light for my disco, but then from what I read on this board 9000 is too. I will never be stuck in mud up to my headlights, knock on wood. What does everyone think? |
John Cinquegrana (Johnc)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 02:03 pm: |
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Be carefull, looks like the first batch had some problems with solenoids. |
ed petrush (Exp)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 03:19 pm: |
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I kind of disagree with you guys that a 8000lb winch is too light for either a RRC or Disco.. the 8000lbs winch with a single line will get you out of 97% of the trouble you get into. If you are really stuck, then you can use a shackle and use 2 line to the truck, essentially getting 16,000lbs of pull... why pay the extra few hundred $$$ that is only going to come into use 3% of the time. |
Tom Hyslip (007)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 08:15 pm: |
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I found out it is not a 12k warn, it is 9000 and comes with ARB Bumper. I was considering buying another ARB Bumper and a new mile marker 8000. The bumper and warn are $1000 together. But Johnc has me a little concerned about the solenoids. I know they come with a warranty, but do not know if the solenoid would be covered. Anyone else know about the solenoid problems? |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 08:19 pm: |
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Ed you are disagreeing with a long line of people with smoked winches...lol. Some people just dont get it. Also , maybe it will get YOU out of it because YOU dont venture very far off the beaten path....?????
Kyle |
RJ Clayton (Tozovr)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 08:28 pm: |
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Quote:Ed you are disagreeing with a long line of people with smoked winches...lol. Some people just dont get it. Also , maybe it will get YOU out of it because YOU dont venture very far off the beaten path....?????
Kyle
Kyle, about the smoking of the elec, I agree, but what if you put that disco on it's side, what then? That is a distinct possibility when one is wayyy off the beaten path, right?
RJ |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 08:31 pm: |
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Yup , and I run an electric for reasons such as that. it gives you many more options then a hydraulic... many more...
Kyle |
RJ Clayton (Tozovr)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 08:35 pm: |
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Quote:Yup , and I run an electric for reasons such as that. it gives you many more options then a hydraulic... many more...
Kyle
You run both? Electric in the rear? |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 08:40 pm: |
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Just electric on the front. I dont care for the hydraulics. Well , its nice on a tow truck. 
Kyle |
RJ Clayton (Tozovr)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 08:45 pm: |
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Oh yeah, you run a big ol' 12k ramsey? I forgot...sorry about that... |
Tom Hyslip (007)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 08:46 pm: |
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Kyle,
From the previous thread, I thought you were all for Hydraulic? Anyways, I would like your advice on these milemarker 8000. Are they too small, and untested?
Thanks,
Tom |
gordon sitts (Gsitts)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 09:10 pm: |
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I have a Ramsey 8k on my Trooper and have never found a situation that called for any more than it could deliver... With a snatchblock of coarse.
Also if solenoids are a problem Ramsey solenoids
should work and they only cost about $42.00 around here. I moved my winch solenoids out of the winch and under the hood for better protection lately now I only have 2 wires going out to the motor.
Hope this helps
Gordon |
Tom Hyslip (007)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 09:40 pm: |
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Makes sense to me. I appreciate the advice. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 07:42 am: |
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We have gone over this subject so much here on the site that if you did a search you might be frightened at the result.
Yes an 8K will get it done , for that matter a 4K will get it done as well with the proper rigging and respect for the winch. But the bottom line is that none of these winches pull to their "Advertised" capacity. Sure it did that one time in the testing facility plugged into the freaking wall with a cooling system and all the planets in perfect alignment but it just aint happening on the nose of that truck !!
Most of it is marketing hype . The goal of any large manufacturer is to give you as little as possible with a maximum return for them. Its the way of the world. Why would you think it doesnt apply to winches as well ? Why go with an 8K when you can spend a little more on a 10 or a 12 and get a winch that is not on the verge of smoking every time it gets into a bind ? In reality the 10s and 12s are probably only applying 8K of force anyway and that is what you were shooting for. I just dont see the point in spending hard earned money on something that you will have to replace. Spend the money once and be done with it...
Kyle |
Tom Hyslip (007)
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 08:46 am: |
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Good advice, I'll wait another month (for my next Army Reserve check, the wife lets me have that money) and get the proper eq.
Thanks,
Tom |
RJ Clayton (Tozovr)
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 09:07 am: |
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Milemarker has a 10k and or a 12k electric on the way...getting more details today... |
Marc Ingham (Marcingham)
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 09:22 am: |
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Hmmm, a MM electric 12k for, say... $600 might be VERY tempting...
let us know what you find out, RJ |
Marc Ingham (Marcingham)
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 09:33 am: |
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RJ -
I could not wait and just called MM myself - they said they have a 9K and 12K coming in January - they will be priced in line with the 8k ($700-$800 msrp = $350 street) and the 12K should be $900 msrp.
The guy I talked to said that their electrics, unlike some others, are actually under-rated. He said the 12K was tested to 14K and didn't stall, the cable broke. First thing I would do is replace the 3/8" cable with 7/16" or rope, but still it sounds promising. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 10:17 am: |
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this is true milemarker did decide to rate there winches different then then the rest of the electric market and it may pay off for them in reputation
but the truth be told planataries create spikes in amperage draw as they approach stalling that other designs such as a worm gear dont.
once stalled all electrics will smoke
but its the spikes over and over aproaching stall that makes the planataries heat up and be "lil smokers"
some people are better at knowing a no-win situation and stop sooner and reset with a winch block or dig out or highlift or something and thats why there winch lasts longer. |
Marc Ingham (Marcingham)
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 10:32 am: |
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but Thom,
shouldn't the higher rated winch not "spike" as often? |
Marc Ingham (Marcingham)
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 10:34 am: |
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umm, I meant to say "higher capacity" not "higher rated" |
muskyman
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 10:53 am: |
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"but Thom,
shouldn't the higher rated winch not "spike" as often? "
yep no doubt...thats why kyle keeps telling all the guys that think a 8000 is "big enough" that they are just going down the same dark alley as lots of other people allready have...and he's right in doing so
the rule of thumb that winch companys used to quote people back when willy's jeeps where the thing was 2.5 x the weight
4900lb disco x 2.5= 12250lbs...so what winch do you think is right?
from this why do you think kyles 12k ramsey lasts and 9k warns smoke?
maybe if the industry still talked about the 2.5 x weight thing more people would choose the correct rated winch? now figure in the misrated bull shit out there it becomes pretty clear where "lil smoker" comes from
see I dont even have to say the word hydraulic to speak the truth! |
Marc Ingham (Marcingham)
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 01:15 pm: |
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that is funny, because from what I have heard the new "rule of thumb" is 1.5x - couple that with an over-rated winch capacity and it is fairly obvious why people burn them up
-Marc |
RJ Clayton (Tozovr)
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 02:06 pm: |
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Been chatting with the MM rep...they are consistantly UNDER rating their winches as well as using 3/8" steel cable so as to not have a repeat of the Warn situation (cable snapping before the 9.5k winch reaches 9k....).
They have some interesting video out and some good independant lab results...BUT, the proof is on the rig...we'll see, next step soon...
RJ |
muskyman
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 03:48 pm: |
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"that is funny, because from what I have heard the new "rule of thumb" is 1.5x - couple that with an over-rated winch capacity and it is fairly obvious why people burn them up
-Marc"
yep they sure have pulled the wool over peoples eyes with that 1.5 x shit...now if you fry your warn motor and selonoids chances are you your gonna replace them with warn parts...cha ching!warn wins again
RJ,
MM is a good company and they like to be able to back there products 100% so they dont put out bullshit on purpose...not saying they havent sold questionable products at times but they always raced to rectify the situation from what I have seen. |
RJ Clayton (Tozovr)
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 03:59 pm: |
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Thom, drop me an email...
[email protected] |
ed petrush (Exp)
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 05:34 pm: |
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I have had an electric winch on several trucks over the last 15 years (scouts, broncos, fj40, cj5s, series IIa, & Discos) and have never "smoked" a winch as some of you talk about.. of course there are the few times that a selenoid has crapped out or the fuse burned up. But with the right set up (snatch block, right angles, right cable length, etc.. ) I have never had a problem. I have even submerged a winch or not thoroughly dried it out (my stupidity) and burned up the brushes but never completely fried a motor so that it wouldn't get me out of a jam. There are obvious strengths & weaknesses for both electric & hydralic winches but for this application, a LR Disco.. the superwinch I have works great.. I spend most of my winching time (95%) pulling out other people who have gotten themselves in too deep as I am sure you are all aware of if you have winches yourselves. I will not sacrifice my equipment to pull some dope out of a pit or pull him up a hill till he has done some digging or placement to make the pull from my truck the optimal move. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 06:04 pm: |
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Ed I dont think anyone disagreed with you (Including me!!). As I said , you could get the job done with a little 4500 if you had to. I myself prefer having a winch that I can litterally abuse and have it still perform for me. I want that margin of overkill for the situations I find myself in. The fact is that I know mine will out pull and outlast your little smoker with its plastic bushings and stamped steel gear train. Keep on keepin on with the little planetary winch but acknowledge that there are much better winches out there that will get the job done with far less BS...
Kyle |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 06:25 pm: |
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i guess you have to really take the advice of those who USE that lil smoker alot.....now i am not trying to boost egos or get anything free(altho i would be glad to take anything given to me) but guys like kyle, ho, and a few others have more time in the real rough stuff than the majority of us combined. so the advice i can give is listen with your ears or in this case your eyes cuz these boys know what they are talking about.
mike w |
Milan (Milan)
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 09:20 pm: |
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Kyle said: "...I myself prefer having a winch that I can litterally abuse and have it still perform for me. I want that margin of overkill for the situations I find myself in. ..."
Hey man, you know I agree with you on which winch to mount on what vehicle and why. But have you thought about this?:
If you have a margin of overkill due to and overly big part/accessory, you're not really abusing it, are you? If you have a 15K planetary on that Disco, it won't be a smoker and it's because it WON'T get abused but be used well within its limits.
On another note: Why can't I stay away from a single winch discussion? |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 09:36 pm: |
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Milan , no , at times it gets abused. Yeah its designed for it but the poor thing has pulled some rough duty a time or two...
(I cant stay away from them either)
Kyle |
muskyman
| | Posted on Saturday, November 23, 2002 - 01:37 am: |
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or me
Hydraulic!!!!!!! |
James Spiroff
| | Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 10:43 pm: |
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I currently run a MM hydraulic on my wrangler, pulls good but very ,very slow. I think it isn't getting enough fluid through the banjo fittings. Anyway, Don't forget, the rated line pull on the winches are off the last wind on the drum. most people don't take the time to pull all that cable, especially they guys with 5/16"-150' cables. if the last wrap is 9000#, the second is something like 6000#, third 4500# etc. I don't remember the numbers exactly, but you get the idea. Also snatching back to the truck does double the pull power, but also decreases line speed in half. impossible to do with the hydraulic, you would be there all day. |
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