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charles pastrano (Charles)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 05:49 pm: | 
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Any ideas I am burried to my axles in wet sand. I have tried pulling out with an F250 no dice.My next attempt will be to High lift the rover but where can I mount the Jack? I have an ARB non airbag in front and just the tow hitch in back. An ideas before I head out. Also why does only one or two tires spin?
Charles |
Eric Pena (Evalp)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 05:54 pm: |
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Charles, Hook up to your hitch. Start your truck and give it some gas to help get it out. You may have to do some digging to get your self out but this should work unless you are in really good, then in that case...Don't know what to tell ya!!! |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 06:25 pm: |
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you can place the jack under the bar that protects the headlights, but be careful the bumper doesn't start to rotate up, and fear the jack all. keep the handle up and assume it's goign to fall over. once you have it up, try placing logs under the tires so that you arent trying to pull thre truck up a wall, make a ramp like. but remember that the stuff that is under ther might come back around and dent the wheel well
rd |
Erik G. Burrows (Erik)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 06:27 pm: |
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When I got myself past the axles (the belly was on the ground) in sand, all that worked (and I mean ALL) was to dig the whole area underneath the truck out, so it was back on it's tires again, on mostly flat sand, then SLOWLY drive it out. It also helps to have some people push, or another vehicle tow. The main thing is to reduce friction to forward movement. Get those axles, diffs, and tires free of sand in the front. (Or rear, if you're pulling backwards). |
charles pastrano (Charles)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 06:33 pm: |
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Wish me luck. Why are only two tires moving? |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 06:34 pm: |
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open diffs |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 06:36 pm: |
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is your center diff locked? do you have axle lockers? even if you're all locked up, you'll just see all 4 wheels spin if you're really stuck good.
dig that crap out from underneath. Every shovelfull you dig out from under is one less shovelfull that the recovering rig has to yank you through. dig dig dig |
Pete
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 06:36 pm: |
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Do you have a D1 with CDL locked, because that would be a problem when stuck if one tire in more stuck than the other? |
Tony DiFranco (Nhrover)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 06:43 pm: |
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two words that might help
-----AIR DOWN-----
in sand its one of the easiest things to do and most effective. Air way down to like 15 psi or so, but REMEMBER make sure you can put air back in before you drive home. Good Luck -tony |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 06:57 pm: |
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You could always try finding another rig and using both instead of just one F250. Last time I got stuck in mud one Disco couldn't pull me out, but two could.
pwc |
Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 07:19 pm: |
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Charles,
a high-lift jack's arm will fit perfectly in that little groove at rim (safety hump on the inside of the tire). You'll be trying to lift the whole truck, while all you need to to jack up a wheel to stuff something underneath.
I usually put something like a roll of toilet paper or paper towels on the hi-lift's bar (not handle) so it doesn't scratch or dent the body panels.
Got myself out of deep snow that way many times.
Never leave the handle in the DOWN position!!!
peter |
Steve (Scrover)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 07:50 pm: |
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Sandy Slosh? Wasn't she a '60s British pop singer? |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 07:52 pm: |
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Definitly heed Tony's advice and AIR DOWN (if you havn't allready that is). Good Luck to you. |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 07:56 pm: |
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Since nobody mentioned it, I'll state the obvious. Make sure you're not hung up on a rock or stump that is buried. You could do real damage if this is the case and you try to pull your vehicle out with something like an F250 while there is a stump on your axle. Backing out is the better way to go if you're sure you didn't hit anything on the way in.
Jack each corner up to break the suction caused by the wet sand and put things under each tire to keep it from falling back in. You may need to dig a little and then use your trucks power and someone else to pull you out. And yes, air down.
Where are you located? If you're in the DC area I'll be glad to give you a hand. |
Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 08:32 pm: |
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it almost sounds like OBX blues to me.
peter |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 08:35 pm: |
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lol... I love going to OBX just to pull people out of the sand 
I was thinking Pine Barrons but I've even ran into some quick sand type of holes here in Northern VA near GWNF. Not to mention UT. |
Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 08:46 pm: |
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my thinking was that that's one of the few places I know where you can get on the internet within a walking distance from where you got stuck...
it would be difficult even in Pismo
peter |
muskyman
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 09:06 pm: |
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"Never leave the handle in the DOWN position!!!
peter"
this is such awsome advice every time someone types high lift it should turn red and link out to this warning, kinda like how •••••• turns orange. |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 09:45 pm: |
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I don't know why the hi-lift gets such a bad wrap. It's a powerful tool and like any powerful tool it needs to be treated with respect and you should learn how to use it before taking it out in the field. Even with a winch and a few hundred pounds of recovery gear in my truck the Hi-Lift gets the most use.
Another tip is to never leave the reversing lever in the down position when you store or transport it. |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 09:50 pm: |
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It gets a bad wrap because it is dangerous as hell, even when treated with 100% respect it is still dangerous as hell, and unlike winches and many other "dangerous as hell" pieces of equipment you HAVE to be right next to the high lift whenever you use it. But yes it is the greatest recovery tool ever invented. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 09:59 pm: |
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Al
they havent called them widowmakers for 100years without reason.
I love them as well and have depended on them for 25 years of wheeling.
but I still think they are dangerous as hell they tip over,pop and drop and yes they are known for having handles that can fly up and kill someone if left down with a load on them.
you and I are not the guys likely to get whacked by a handle because we have used them , but some lurker that is just getting started might.
hence the passing on of the deservent bad rap
thom |
charles pastrano (Charles)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 10:00 pm: |
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Im out! Thanks all. I am in Texas and we are looking to buy this Ranch and while exploring it seems we fell into some wet sand at a low point in the terrain. Nothing near by had to call for reinforcements. We lifted it and placed 2x12 planks under and pulled out with Z71. Why is it that the Z71 can drive all around and not get stuck? The rover just sinks. Any recomendations on modifications so that this can be avoided. Have lift with stock tires and ARB winch bumper w/no winch and no lockers. Wife took many pics.
Charles |
charles pastrano (Charles)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 10:03 pm: |
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Thanks for the advice with the high lift. Didnt know about keeping the handle up. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 10:07 pm: |
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tire width
the stock 235 tire is kinda skinny for sand a 265 will give you much better flotation.
bet the Z71 has 265 or 285 tire at least maybe more that makes all the difference in the world
glad to hear your out |
Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 06:52 am: |
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Charles - show us the pictures! |
charles pastrano (Charles)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 09:13 am: |
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Will have them developed today. |
Jess Brandt (Disco285)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 10:27 am: |
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yea ur right....the rovers suck that is why they used Z71's for the Camel Trophy and i heard land rover is going to use them for Trek...
couldn't resist.... |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 11:44 am: |
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Jess is right, they will see how well the particaipants can drive at excessive speeds down gravel roads while throwing beer cans out the window and into the bed (15 second penalty for every can that misses the bed -unless it hits a "hippie") |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 11:50 am: |
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Yeah... but you can make up the 15 seconds if you hit a jack rabbit from the moving vehicle with your 12ga. |
R. B. Bailey (Rover50987)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 12:08 pm: |
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Dig out around the tires, add a little water, gravel, and a combination of calcium, silicon, aluminum, and iron. Stir, and let sit over night then drive it out the next morning. |
Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 12:16 pm: |
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Thom,
I guess I've been lucky too many times with the Hi-lift - now I try to use it as little as possible. But I found it incredible useful that it's jacking arm fits exactly into the groove on the rim - and the rims are the only places you can use to jack up the stock disco with a hi-lift.
hehe, I've had the front of the jeep on the hi-lift to the max at a 35-degree slope covered by wet snow and ice. needed to reseat the front tire on the rim. of course it slipped... on the next try, i used a bunch of hose clamps to attach the bar to my brush guard
peter |
Brian Friend (Brianfriend)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 01:54 pm: |
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The best thing about the high lift is that you can use the handle to reinforce your bent track rod.
I use mine as very little as possibe. I am scared to death of it. But I never go on the trail without it and it is a very important tool.
Guns don't kill people, Highlifts kill people. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 01:59 pm: |
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peter,
yep you sure get better with a highlift as you get used to them and know the gravity of a situation. starting with then crooked so gravity straightens it all out is a great way to beat the high-lift demons at there own game.
but still like I said its not the guys that have owned them for a decade+ that I worry about its the guy that says "yea I gotta get one of these cure all stuck things and the bumper hitch gizmo too"
my high lift trick is to use a 6" nylon strap with a snap on each end then when the handles up you snap it in to the chain loop on top and it stays up even if someone bumps the direction lever
thom |
Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 02:42 pm: |
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i just pull my handle out and throw it on the side. a side benefit of a hi-lift over jack-all.
peter |
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