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Titus
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 10:54 pm: | 
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anyone got experience with these tires? and if the 235/85PR16 would fit on a stock 96 DI?
and how important are tires? like would a say.... stock CRV with these tires go farther than a disco with all season tires (no taking ground clearance into account, just traction)? |
Ron
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 11:11 pm: |
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Alyssa and I dislike ours.
Go with stock michelins or dunlop RTs.
Ron |
muskyman
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 11:13 pm: |
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Quote:and how important are tires? like would a say.... stock CRV with these tires go farther than a disco with all season tires (no taking ground clearance into account, just traction)?
here we go |
James Gall (Jimmyg)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 11:15 pm: |
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The tires are great! The rubber IS softer than BFG. I had to drive out of the middle of hell's revenge in MOAB in front wheel drive with MTR's and I was able to make it!!! THey are quiet until you take chunks out of them. They are great on snow and ice. Sidewalls are incredible. Not a flat yet. I dought that you will hear any negatives with them. I run 265/75. |
Ron
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 11:15 pm: |
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However, I hear they are great rock tires
Ron |
Titus
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 11:22 pm: |
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"Sidewalls are incredible. Not a flat yet. I dought that you will hear any negatives with them. I run 265/75. "
so they're as good on snow and ice as well and fit on a stock DI eh?... ok good I'm gonna switch over to them next month when I wear out my Michellin cross-terrains some more (they suck in snow I think) |
James Gall (Jimmyg)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 11:26 pm: |
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Ron,
How can you dislike them? Stock tires can't even get me out of my driveway. The dunlop mud rover is better than stock but the sidwalls suck and they don't last long at all.
Maybe MTR's aren't the best for city driving...but is that what they were made for??? |
James Gall (Jimmyg)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 11:30 pm: |
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You will have to trim to fit 235/85 with a stock D1. Go with RTE or OME and you will trim less. GO with RTE so you actually get more articulation out of the suspension. |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 05:38 am: |
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I love those MTR's.
"Go with stock michelins....." |
Alex Cabrera (Alexcabrera)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 07:57 am: |
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I'd like to add that they rock!!
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gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 08:05 am: |
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did he say a CRV? i didn't think so.  |
Rans (Rans)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 08:16 am: |
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Quote:...and how important are tires?...
traction and performance on just rims is not so good....tires make all the difference! |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 08:44 am: |
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"Alyssa and I dislike ours.
Go with stock michelins or dunlop RTs.
Ron "
Come on Ron, I have to agree with Paul on this one. That is laughable advice to go with stock Michelins over the MTR's. What specifically do you guys dislike about the tires?
I think the MTR's are outstanding. I started with the 235-85's, and decided to switch up to 265-75's because they seem to fit the rim better (wider). Ron and Alyssa have my old 235-85's (about 4500 miles on them when I sold them), so maybe their issue is with my tires in particular.
I find the MTR's to work very well in all types of weather and medium. So far, they have not let me down. The traction seems very good. They work well on snow. The tread appears to clean and clear very well. They are relatively quiet. They seem to be a well made, tough tire. They may be soft, but the tread wear doesn't seem excessive.
What is the down side? They are competitively priced with the BFG's, and have just as aggressive, if not more so, of a tread pattern.
Great tire in my opinion.
Don't listen to Ron............ hehehe |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 10:31 am: |
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stock michelins are a beautiful tire, the carcass is tremendous. only thing i ever found them lacking in is slick mud.
rd |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 01:02 pm: |
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sounds like you know these tires a little TOO much there roberto!! kinda freaking me out again. you need to get out to that piano bar again soon.
i was not a fan of my stock Michelins in the snow. but they were worn pretty good.
the guy at the garage taking jens off her D2 was impressed. his new machine was having a bitch of a time getting them off the rims. sidewall was damn stout for a stocker. |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 01:06 pm: |
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yeah, they are definitly the best stockers I have ever dealt with. I use mine for sand and they do quite well, my BFG M/Ts tend to dig in if you ever have to start moving on a soft spot. |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 01:11 pm: |
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I hear they make nice tire swings.......... |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 01:13 pm: |
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no, no, no, you need a bigger tire for a swing. With the smaller ones you just want to turn them inside out, paing them white and plant flowers in them. |
Titus
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 01:28 pm: |
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hahaha cool, thanks for the info guys
yea I'm running michellin crossterrains right now and they kinda suck in the snow (the reason I brought up the CRV was after an embarassing moment while me and another CRV were both trying to pull out of the same snow covered parking lot and he just got up and went while I spent a little time wheel spinning and doing some lock to lock rocking =( maybe cause the flimsy little CRV thing just floated on top while my disco hunkered down like a treal truck =) ) |
muskyman
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 01:33 pm: |
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maybe crv had LSD center? slow speed very slippery lock the CDL its different world. |
Ron
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 08:55 pm: |
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The way I look at it is you either go whole hog or get something that is nice. I am now of the thought that stock michelins are the way to go. The last few times we have been out we get a pretty typical mix of trucks and you know what the DI with stock michelins and a CB lift goes everywhere and more that the 3in RTE with futura/MTR/BFG/procomp MT trucks go.
The only tires I have seen that make a huge difference and this is only in slick mud, are bias plys with huge lugs. SAGs Co-op sure grips swampers, and super tractions just go where the others clog up and die.
It is not that the MTRs are bad its just they are not pleasant on road and are not that great off. Buy some stock michelins and put on some real tires when you really need to get somewhere.
http://www.coopertires.com/tire_cooper/ltsuv.asp?id=49
Ron |
EricV (Bender2033)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 11:35 pm: |
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Stock Michelins are waaay expensive. Before I lucked out on my noisy TracEdges I was gonna get the new bridgestone dueller A/T revo :
http://www.bridgestonetire.com/dpp/glamourindex2.asp?passproductid=171
Check it out. |
RonLF
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 09:25 am: |
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Any mud tire will be better in snow and mud then your stock tires!!! As far as brands, I like my MT/R's. Then work great in mud/snow/wet sand. You are always going to find someone that thinks there tires are better then others. For me, the MT/R's work great for my style of wheeling. With a Rover's 4wd, remember to rotate your tires every
5000 to 7000 miles if you want them to last. |
Mark Albrecht (Markalbrecht)
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 07:41 pm: |
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Ron: before you go with the Cooper Courser Traction LT, you may want to check out http://www.coopertirelitigation.com to see if that tire is also affected by the alleged negligent manufacture resulting in tire separation. Although, if it is in the class action suit, you'd get a free replacement. |
James Gall (Jimmyg)
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 08:06 pm: |
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I tried to ignore this post ...but I can't!
"The last few times we have been out we get a pretty typical mix of trucks and you know what the DI with stock michelins and a CB lift goes everywhere and more that the 3in RTE with futura/MTR/BFG/procomp MT trucks go. " Are you on Crack! I had a stock D1 with the CB lift and stock tires. I was off road about 20 hours a week in CO. Granted, for stock tires they are great. But I now have RTE 3inch lift with MTR's and they blow my last set-up out of the water!!! The important factor is driving ability. I consider myself a good driver based on time off-road and the number of problems I've run into (blown diffs, broken axles, "deep water parking")and if you take a beginner driver in a modified truck vs. an expert driver in a stock truck, I think that the expert driver will prevail on the same trail. However, I've been the same driver with two versions of the same truck...stock is not better off-road and will only get you so far. IMHO
Thanks |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 08:10 pm: |
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Chill James , think about the "Trails" he is running.... It dont really matter....
Kyle |
Ron
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 12:19 am: |
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Ok Amigo boy. Go put some more bondo in those mustang doors
Jimmyg, on rocks I can see where they would help, I have no rock crawling experience. In mud the MTRs suck compared to the tread pattern of the coopers, and I could not see any real improvement over michelins. I know it does not make sense but thats what I experienced and saw first hand. Furthermore, while MTRs are good in snow they suck on ice, where michelins do ok.
Beyond that the real difference I saw was that the 3in TRE/MT crowd was running too short of shocks and not enough weight to flex the trucks. You would see them hit a mild cross axle situation and the wheels would spin, the MTs dig, and they would not make it. The CB/michelin truck flexed better and quicker and would make it on the first go. The only place the lift and tires helps was when the obsticals got so big as to need the extra clearance.
YMMV
Ron |
Corey Shuman (One_Bad_Rover)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 01:09 am: |
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Been running the MTRs for a while now, not too noisy on road, plus I seem to be able to get about 30-35000 miles out of them with off and on road use. |
thom mathie (Muskyman)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 01:34 am: |
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Ron,
I think your making some pretty big final opinions on to small a sample group.
unknown driving ability with possible miss matched equipment and deciding tires is the difference?
I havent owned the MTR's yet but I have a couple friends that do. they all think the tires are the best they have owned?
what size are the ones you have? I have some siped stockers here I'll trade you. |
the Big Daddy
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 09:12 am: |
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Thats going to leave a mark !
John, my little love puppet,its your turn ,
Big Hugs |
Gabriel Guay (Gearhead)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 09:30 am: |
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Every tire has it�s strong points and weaknesses. The Michelins are very good all weather tires but I found them prone to hydroplaning at highway speeds in the rain and suck in the mud, however, I got 60k miles out of them. I switched to the MT/R's and so far I have put 32K on them and I can�t complain. These tires are basically an aggressive all terrain tire, not really a dedicated mud terrain tire. If you think of these as an all terrain tire with good mud performance and tough side walls, these are really good tires. I drive lots of long distance highway with these and they are have worn more evenly than the Michelins did and they don�t hydroplane. I found these to work really well off road on the trails, and rocks. Theses are not well suited to fine beach sand but I run these on the outer banks beaches and as long as aired down to 20 PSI or less, they still float on fine dry sand. I was born and raised in Canada and I know something about driving in snow and these tires pull as good as any snow tire out there. I would recommend these but if you can afford the Michelins and rarely drive off road, the Michelins are a better street tire.
My $.02 |
Milan (Milan)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 12:32 pm: |
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Ron,
What size do you have? I'll trade you for my stock Michelins. I know what you mean when you say they don't work for you. One really has to consider the geographical area, the truck, its setup and the driver. There's nothing wrong with not liking them and I agree that they suck in mud.
However, I think they're the sweetest all-arounder that in many a terrain kick some serious butt. Loose rocks, dirt, and snow being the ones I'm familiar with. So really, I'd be interested in a trade - I can't afford new ones now but if I can trade my stockers, I'll do it. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 02:03 pm: |
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get in line Milan!...did I mention my stockers are siped Ron? |
Ron
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 05:35 pm: |
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I have 235 85 R16 5 of them. Send me 5 new michelin XPCs and they are yours.
All I am saying Thom is that if you want to get though the mud MTRs are not your ticket. Michelins are not either but no one buys michelins thinking they are going to be swampers.
Ron |
Milan (Milan)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 07:55 pm: |
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Mine are not new (guestimate 50%), besides I guess Thom was also serious. Would you still be interested in some kind of a trade if Thom doesn't want them? I'd have to find out about shipping as well. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 10:11 pm: |
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mine are right about 50% as well...but I would trade them in a blink. if you really dislike them say the word we'll work a deal.
I hear your point Ron, if you are expecting night and day performance gains from tires alone you will more often be let down . The MTR's are really the most aggressive AT out there. and like all AT's it will not work very good in mud.
but it will outperform(seen it first hand) other AT's hands down.it has a tread that comes into its own at pretty low pressure about 8 or 9psi
they clean very well at that pressure where at even 13 to 15 they carry mud around in there treads all day. |
Ron
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 10:35 pm: |
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Thanks for the offer but I already have a set of XPCs with 7/32nds. Looking for some new ones to get a full set of five on disco spare steelies (going for the UK spec look) for my truck and alyssa's truck can have my tornados.
Ron |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 10:52 pm: |
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I have a set with 3,500 miles on them (never taken offroad) and the spare has never touched the ground, would that do???, I think it might be cool to have some big tires mounted on the alloys for running around town (and sand) but still have my BFGs on the steelies for offroad. How much tread is left on the MTRs??? I would seriously consider doing this if you don't think they are to used. |
Max Thomason (Lrmax)
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 11:05 pm: |
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Titus,
I have seen the MT/Rs in mud. They got clogged up good with mud and turned into slicks real quick.
Unfortunately, this is the only experience I have had with these tires.
Max T. |
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