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David Gage (Davidg)
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

94 Disco, 3.9, just all of a sudden stopped running

things that go clunk in the night

David
 

John Cinquegrana (Johnc)
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 09:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Use some Gorilla Glue, it can fix anything!!!
 

Alex Cabrera (Alexcabrera)
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 09:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

!ouch!

Now I ask me.. what would cause that to happen?
 

David Gage (Davidg)
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

One of the main bolts was in the oil pan so I would suspect that it backed off and then everything went to hell in a handbasket.
The Rover only has 140K on it, but not a straight body panel on it, it has lived a hard life.
 

Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

David:
Did the oil pressure go away first, accompanied by knocking and then a loud clunk?

Whatchagonnado with the pieces? Lemme know if the pieces need a new home.

Paul
 

muskyman
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 11:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

nice orange color there
 

Rob Davison (Pokerob)
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 12:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

yes, cast new parts out of JW weld and drop them directly in. start video camera and turn engine on (must have audio) them mail me video. i am curious to what would happen.

r:)

rd
 

David Gage (Davidg)
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 01:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

The owner said he didn't hear anything out of the ordinary, no idiot lights a blaze, no nothing, it just quit. I have had a few folks ask about it but he won't sell it....
 

Will Bobbitt (Rkores)
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Can somebody point out to me what happend? I don't quite get it...sorry, I am little slow..haha

Will
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

will the crank shaft has broken

crank
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

crank
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 03:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

last try

crank
 

Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

LOL Thom,

one needs to live through this to see it at once :)

peter
 

muskyman
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 05:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

peter,

I'll bet that one is rebuildable

beats the hell out of a 3"x 3" hole that you get when your foots in it and throwing mud when it happens!

thom
 

Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 05:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

ROTFL

sure does. i never got to hole-punching stage (in Russia it was called "a Hand of Friendship"), though

peter
 

GregH
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Time for one of those Crower forged steel billet stroker cranks!!LOL Only $2K!!

Let's see, starting with used 4.6 cross-bolted block (cost ?), all 8 holes aftermarket max oversize resleeved ($80-100 per hole) and custom forged JE pistons (approx $100-120 per piston) plus the Crower forged stroker billet (indy) crank at $2k plus everthing else= LR 5.6 liter engine!

This is an opportunity not a loss! :)

hehe
 

Kyle
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 05:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Amazing what some resonance can do.... That shit just falls apart. When the cam does that its real real pretty...


Kyle
 

muskyman
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 05:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

those molecules had stopped being friends long ago they just finnally decided to split.

forget all that performance stuff! all it would do is break every other 140k just about to fail part on the truck.

i'm dropping a bone yard special in there and fixed for under a grand. (my labor is free)
 

Kyle
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 06:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Actually Musky , sometimes you can improve the rod ratio by offset grinding at get a more reliable engine. As far as stock engines go the 351W ford has about the best Rod ratio in production... The germans are pretty good at that shit as well...


Kyle
 

GregH
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 06:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I'm with you pricewise on the boneyard engine-it's fun to dream as long as I'm not paying the bills!!

GregH
 

Will Bobbitt (Rkores)
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 07:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Thanks for pointing that out...it now sticks out like a sore thumb! I just had to by a new crankshaft for my CJ-3A, I managaged to burn a bairing. New, it was around $250.

Will Bobbitt
 

Kyle
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 07:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

That would be "Spin a bearing" Will.. :) And you can get those cranks reconned with bearings for a little over a buck and a half..

Kyle
 

muskyman
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

kyle,

rod ratio was the unwritten secret behind Pontiac motors the 389,421,428 all made sneaky power .

you sure sound like a ford guy at heart, I think there where more funny ford combinations out there then anything else
such as a Ford 454W 4.187stroke with a 5.85 rod legnth for a ratio of 1.40 stroked 400 crank, Olds Diesel rod big cubes and just bolt it togather!
 

Ron
Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 10:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

David,

I have a new short block for that I can let you have cheap.

Ron
 

Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 06:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Rob:
What a ya got?

Paul
 

David Gage (Davidg)
Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 07:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Ron, tell me more....

email or call me....
 

Will Bobbitt (Rkores)
Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 07:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Kyle,
Yeah, you are right! Haha, I did spin a bearing. But the mechanic said that I needed a new crankshaft(He teaches a race car class at a community college. It is being used in class, and there is no money involved for the repairs; I bought the parts from another place.) He also said I needed a new connecting rod, and a new piston.

Will
 

Ken Dunnington (Ihwillys)
Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

uh oh, rod/stroke ratios... I'm long winded on that subject, but it's longer...

Musky, I actually like the '58 370, a short stroke 389, mine is now a short stroke '400' that displaces 380. Punched it out(ok it was actually cut) to 4.120 bore. 3.5625 stroke, 6.625 rod(as all poncho v8s have) = 1.86 ratio, nice middle-upper range. The 58-62's came with forged rods too.

I drool over the thought of an SD 421 under the hood.

Ken
 

muskyman
Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

ken,

i used to scour bone yards looking for old pontiac motors, ambulances and hearses all seamed to have the nice 389's and even the odd ball 421 from time to time. I loved those motors they just always bolted togather so nice and easy. and with some creative combinations you could build some awsome power.

and they didnt weigh 725lbs like the IH motors I mess with today.

that one you decribe above must rev like a rice rocket!

thom
 

Ken Dunnington (Ihwillys)
Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 05:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Yeah it revs, but nothing like the '56 317(2.04 R/S!)

Funny thing is I too now mess around with the IHs. I don't have many of them but I've got a 345 in my IHWillys(I re-ringed at ~118K, still had the cross-hatch), a 392 on an engine stand slated for my Dodge, and a 196 for my wife's '57 CJ.

Ken
 

muskyman
Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Ken
I love my 392

it just oozes torque

thom
 

Kyle
Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 06:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Man , when I think about those engines I think about fucked up Holley carbs with governors and School busses.. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:)

Kyle
 

Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 06:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

but of course no, Kyle. the "much coveted 401" rules!
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 06:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

nooooooooooo knocking school bus motors those things will give you alternator envy

392
 

thom mathie (Muskyman)
Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

one more thing people never believe the torque these things make ...check out the height in this manifold stock!...can you say 1/2 tunnel ram?

and this is a school bus motor

3922
 

Kyle
Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH! No more man!! you are freaking me out!!!!!! Now I am hearing exhaust leaks and smelling rich emissions !!!!!!!!!!!!

Kyle
 

Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 06:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Thom,

i believe i have the same model Delco alt in the jeep (not stock, i picked it up at a bone yard and rebuilt).

speaking of intakes, a stock AMC truck V8 intake is pretty damn tall. not taller than the tops of the valve covers, but close.

peter
 

Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 06:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

believe it or not, my shit passed smog with flying colors. i drove it with the rear window down to double-check my sanity - it runs very clean.
 

Kyle
Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 06:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

No man , you are not getting it. I worked on Busses for a time all with those damn engines. Baaaaad memories...

Kyle
 

muskyman
Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 06:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

peter,

thats a huge alternator! 145amps...its case is 1/2 again bigger then the ones that come in jeeps and scouts.

the AMC V8's are so small that they needed to make them tall to give them any runner length at all.

that one there is 4" taller then the one on my 392. I wish I could run that one! they are good for about 50ft lbs more torque over the ones that came in IH pickups. but it would stick out of the hood by about 5"

kyle,

I'm with you on the holley's...they suck I run quadra jets and they run at any angle a truck can drive at.

thom
 

Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 06:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

may i pick your brain on the QJ some time, Thom?

i have one sitting on the shelf in my garage - wanted to slap it on the 360.

peter
 

Kyle
Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 07:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

LOL , I call the QJ the "Space ship".... Nothing like the old Motorcraft carbs man... the 4100s were a work of art.... Fuck a metering rod....


Kyle
 

Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 07:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

i've only had my hands on a 4350.. it was a total POS. much worse than 2150 I am relatively happy with. two-barrel will always have either crappy idle or crappy power.
Carter AFB was much better, but not for off-camber or/and high altitude. holley... i've seen a fireball coming out of it - while i liked the sight, i don't want it under my hood.
hence QJ.

peter
 

muskyman
Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 07:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

i grew up callin QJ's quadra-bogs because thats what most where in stock form.

I am no master of them... I like them because you can fix them on the trail need be...I'm luck enough to not have to do that often. the best guy to get good info from is brad urban at the carb shop in chuchamunga CA...he milled and built the one running in my scout now and it makes about 25hp and 40 ftlbs more power then the Holley projection 4Di system and it dosent draw 19amps all day long.

thom

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