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Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 05:42 pm: | 
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So I'm sitting here gazing out the window and was wondering how many people have attached a winch to the rear of their Discos, and how did you accomplish it? Pictures would be nice too.
Am I actually thinking of doing this? Well, not unless Santa brings me a new bank account for Christmas. Mostly just day dreaming.
pwc |
Eric Pena (Evalp)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 05:49 pm: |
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Warn makes a winch that sits in a basket in plugs into your receiver hitch. That is an OK solution. You can also rig a hitch to the front and put it there so you have an option of back and front. Just run electrical to both ends. Brian Friend had done this so maybe he will pipe in. |
Max Thomason (Lrmax)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 05:53 pm: |
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I thought about cutting a hole in the bottom of the cargo area and welding in a special bracket to hold a winch. Then run the cable through a roller fairlead mounted in the middle of the bumper. The hole in the cargo area would help me keep track if the winch was piling up on one side, and also gives me a place to access the controls and plug in the remote.
But then I remembered that the cargo area is always full and it would be a pain to unload it to get to the winch. Expecially if I was in water.
Max T.
I do a significant amount of dreaming. I don't think its healthy... |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 05:59 pm: |
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Eric,
Yeah, I've seen those Warns but that would reeeaaallyy kill the departure angle.
pwc |
Eric Pena (Evalp)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 06:01 pm: |
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Peter, as well as the approch angle if it is on the front.
It is not a permanent installation so you could just stick it back there if you needed it. Same with the front if you wanted to store it inside until you needed to use it. |
Brian Friend (Brianfriend)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 07:34 pm: |
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You can use the warn butterfly cradle o.k. but DON't use the warn receiver mount. I had mine set up by rockware and I was able to mount it about 3 or 4 inches higher than the warn set up. I don't loose aproach angle by more than 1/4 to 1/2 inch. I really don't even notice it.
As for the rear...I have only used it once to pull the rear end of the truck around. You definatly do not want to keep the thing on the rear, you will be banging all over the place.
I think my gallery shows pictures of the mount and also if you check my profile. |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 09:44 pm: |
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peder....
no need holmes
just run the winch under neath as per pk's direction
http://www.discoweb.org/discovery/backwards.htm
yes, i been drinkin'
rd |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 12:04 am: |
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I notice you've been drinking Rob, besides my name there's only one typo.  And yes, my typing is alllllllways perfect.
I've read that link before but I'm, well, a lazy ass who would rather not have to crawl under a rig if I don't have to. Plus as that article said, it puts strain on what it's rolling over not to mention it wouldn't pull too straight. Plus it would get the cable all greasy
I went out and took a look up under there and see no reason why it's not doable. It's got to be better than the battering ram of a hitch that's half nad inch from the gas tank. The Warn 9K is only 6" deep and the 12K is a mere 8" or so. Hmmmm..... I'm thinking something low profile like what some people have done with the front bumper. Of course it has to still be able to have a hitch mount. Hmmmm....
It would be handy for dragging up people behind me who don't have winches if need be.
Plus Rob, it would let me get rid of that bent bumper that showed up with the truck some how.
pwc |
nadim
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 01:50 am: |
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Ok...I will bite.
I have been thinking seriously about this for a couple of years and now I think I have something not too weird:
Givens are:
1. Disco on a 2" body lift
2. Rear Custom bumper to be made
3. Weight no issue
4. Electrical winch to be used (drowned engine)
Idea:
1. Slap an RE series winch (Ramsey, or should it be called the KVT series?) between the frame rails.
2. Location is 'physically' under the rear seats, right before the rear cylindrical cross member, that may need to be modified/replaced.
3. Run the wire through the a roller adjacent to the winch, above the fuel tank, and to another roller (or even hole) in the rear bumper.
Problems:
1. Electrical winch prone to mud, water, etc.
2. Can't see the cable
3. Freespooling a bitch
4. Where to put the solinoid pack
Solutions:
1. Grease, Scilicone, WD40, Vasline, more visits to Church
2. Bend over more often (mirror on a stick?) / cut length of cable to reduce overlap
3. Get on all fours (RE low amp draw)
4. Run the solinoid pack through the transmission tunnel to inside the cab (under seats)
Verdict:
"Bring it on guys"...Let me hear it...before I go investing in all this for nothing! |
Rans (Rans)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 07:49 am: |
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Take a look at Grizzly Tools.....they are discontinuing a bunch of winch receiver hitch mounting brackets.
http://www.grizzlyoutlet.com/items-list.cfm?ObjectGroup_ID=125100&listtype=group&?&User_ID=476647&St=6483&St2=-41917069&St3=-90918130&DS_ID=1
There are also some Warn 8', 20' and 24' power leads. |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 08:41 am: |
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Well, if people can build a custom front bumper to hold a winch, why can't someone build a custom back bumper to hold a winch?
Is this just too obvious no one sees the possibility? Or am I missing some overly obvious reason for why it wouldn't work? If it would work, it seems like it would make sense to just have a rear bumper winch setup like a front bumper winch?? |
Rans (Rans)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 08:47 am: |
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Greg, if you mount the winch above the bumper the door won't open. If you mount it below you will make an already bad clearance issue even worse. That only leaves mounting it IN the bumper and I don't know that it would fit. So using the trailer hitch is really the only viable option don't you think? |
James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 08:47 am: |
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saw it once on a Series Lightweight.
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dominik
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 09:43 am: |
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Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 11:41 am: |
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I disagree Rans. Take a look at your rig when you get a chance, and if the dimensions are the same as mine you have 8 inches from the bottom of the receiver to the top of just hte stock bumper. then you have a little more than 8 inches from the front of the receiver to the closed door (you have a bit more if you are under the door.
With that assumption, that you haven't ripped this part out already to increase clearance, you can fit an XD9000 in there just fine. It's stats on Warn's site list as 6.3" deep and 7.6" high. Granted, you ahve to give a little room for the try it will sit in, but that's not a lot.
I'm begining to think this isn't that hard to fit. Granted I'm only looking at Warn winches as a starting point, but something that is less than 8x8" and has a remotely placed pack should work just fine. Now to find a shop that will weld near the gas tank....
Nadim, dang that's a lot of work. You could always rig a splash guard to keep some of the flung up mud out.
pwc |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 11:57 am: |
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peter, are you suggesting that you cut off the stock hitch and then place the winch between the rear frame rails like a front winch bumper?
you realize there is the rear crossmember there and you would have to cut thru that?
you are removing one of the most bomber things on that land rover which is the hitch. all just to put in a rarely used accessory.
i would be interested in seeing a winch positioned behind the rear crossmember.
then custom make a super beefy new crossmember with an appeture thru it and roller fairlings on both sides. then have it exit out of a stock looking bumper above where the hitch is (leaving the hitch intact)
rd |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 12:06 pm: |
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Yeah, but why couldn't a winch sit inside a rear bumper like it would sit inside an ARB front bumper? I mean, couldn't a rear bumper be designed to hold a winch?
gp |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 12:17 pm: |
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because the crossmember is Right there, it would be 100 % hanging outside the frame. rather than between it. anything is possible, but i would imagine you would not want to decrease your departure angle as long as we are daydreaming.
rd |
nadim
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 01:51 pm: |
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Ok,
Portable, reciever, and on/off kinda mounts I am not too keen for, since that is not as HD as I would like them to be.
The rear crossmember is the Holy Grail for the chassis, so chopping that up is not a good idea.
The fuel tank can be replaced by a smaller unit and then slap the winch between it and the rear crossmember and pass the cable above it (with teh 2" body lift). 2 problems here: modifying ht etank is hell (seen it being done), and the V8 will need an auxiliary one (with internal fuel pump...bla bla bla)
The best thing I think is what I came up with, since you are keeping most of the stock things as is (fuel tank...), and it will not harm our already horrid departure angle...also, having the weight in front of the rear axle might be benificiary in some cases...
The only difficulty would be waterproofing , freespooling, and the electrics... |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 02:03 pm: |
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Yes Rob, there is a rear cross member there and that is basiclly the spot the winch try would sit in. There's no reason you couldn't beef up the tray to be as stong as that member with a bit more steel. (I'm imagining a tray with a bottom to bolt the winch onto andthen a back also to take the place of some of the cross member)
I wouldn't want to mount it behind the rear cross member because that would cut the dep. angle. Putting in IN the bumper is much better.
Or do you mean "behind" as in between the cross member and then gas tank? There's about 1" of clearance there. I also wouldn't want to run the cable through the stock bumper because if you ever put any kind of sideload on it you could be bending stuff.
As for the rarly used part. Well, since I don't tow anything the only time I use the hitch is in recovering my sorry ass backwards. And if I'm doing that, I might as well have a winch there. SO my case is differnt than how much you used the hitch. (plus I have another vehicle for towing if need be)
replacing the cross member is the way it would have to go, with some additional reinforcemet. Slap on a funky new bumper if you want and you're set.
pwc
Ughhh.....forgot to pst this an hour ago |
grant lawson
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 03:04 pm: |
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peter and all,
i have the set up as seen in Atlatic British CAtalog, minus the fairlead, looking for a good home. It came in a box of goodies when i bought the truck. I do not want it and am willing to trade for the right stuff. pcarey , i emailed you.
the basket is scratched a bit and fairlead and the cable is new /never used (for what i can tell)
winch not included. |
Dominik Chrzan (Dominik)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 06:18 pm: |
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Dominik Chrzan (Dominik)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 06:23 pm: |
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ok, so not a disco, but i thought it was neat.
and if it can be accomplished on a defender .....
dom |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 10:04 pm: |
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Dominik, that is exactly what I'm looking for more or less. Except maybe havea little more bumper around the winch, like my current bumper.
I decided today that I'm fine with not increasing my departure angle, as long as I don't kill it. If I want more angle, I'll buy and FJ40.
thanks for the pic.
pwc |
Mahn England
| | Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 04:02 am: |
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Can't vouch for this one but I like the idea of only having to take it when its likely to be needed and being able to use it from most positions
http://www.brawn4x4.com.au/
Any experience with this out there?
Mahn |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 04:57 am: |
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Interesting idea, but it seems like a bit of a pain, especially when it comes to wiring. (where does that hot lead hang out when not on the winch? Do you have to connect it to the battery each time you want to use it?)
It is interesting from a side self recovery perspective though.
pwc |
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