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Yaroslav (Andr6761)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 08:44 pm: | 
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I might need a new engine...are diesel engines at all compatible with the current setup? and does anyone know the ballpark price for such a conversion?
Would appreciate any input.. |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 08:47 pm: |
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If you're in the US you can get it done on D1's for $18k+ at http://www.eastcoastrover.com I'm sure you can also find other places willing to do it. |
Yaroslav (Andr6761)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 08:49 pm: |
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$18k really?? |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 08:52 pm: |
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yeah, its not as simple as just bolting in a diesel engine and putting diesel in the tank instead of gas |
Yaroslav (Andr6761)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 09:01 pm: |
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so do i just put diesel in the tank?? |
Yaroslav (Andr6761)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 09:04 pm: |
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so do i just put diesel in the tank?? |
ema
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 09:04 pm: |
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The folks over at East Coast Rover did a write-up on a Tdi conversion for a Disco.
http://www.eastcoastrover.com/Discotech.html
It sounds fairly intricate and complicated.
-ema |
Yaroslav (Andr6761)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 09:06 pm: |
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thanks ema |
Dobie Disco (Mary)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 10:34 pm: |
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Now who's the f***ing retard?! |
Yaroslav (Andr6761)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 10:51 pm: |
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i give up. who? |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 11:07 pm: |
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You can also skip all that conversion stuff and just cut off the mud flaps, that should have it running on diesel with a few swiped of the dremel.  |
Yaroslav (Andr6761)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 11:38 pm: |
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thanks for the help bro! |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 11:43 pm: |
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errr... "swipes" not "swiped" |
Yaroslav (Andr6761)
| | Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 03:25 pm: |
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thanks carter.. you always did know what you were talking about |
Boleslav
| | Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 07:13 pm: |
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Zdrastvuj Jaro. Ty duraku! |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 07:48 pm: |
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No problemo, removing the mud flaps is probablly the most valuable mod you can make to a disco |
Yaroslav (Andr6761)
| | Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 08:12 pm: |
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lol....i took mine off a long time ago, i think it looks a lot better with the mud flaps chopped off...Anyway thank you for all the info, i guess the diesel mod is out of the picture, easier to just get a new stock one whenever mine fails...
Thanks for the help guys... |
Yaroslav (Andr6761)
| | Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 08:13 pm: |
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zdrastvuy boleslav. a ty umniy? |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 08:18 pm: |
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what engine do you have now?? Is it a 4.0?? The conversion to a 4.6 is a lot easier than the tdi, and the added power would definitly have its benefits. |
Boleslav
| | Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 08:23 pm: |
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Yaroslav,
Da. Ya umniy potomu cto ya nemaju "smartass comments after someone answers my question". Ponimajes? |
Jeff Farrell
| | Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 06:24 pm: |
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Greetings all!!
I've been searching the web for about a week now trying to find a diesel conversion for my '97 Disco w/ auto transmission. I'm intrigued by Clarke Williams conversion. He put a GM 6.5L Turbo Diesel in Land Rovers. He uses the mechanical injection pump as opposed to the electronic variant. And he either uses an Allison manual transmission or a GM 700R4 (the overdrive transmission that is the predecesor of the Turbo Hydramatic 400....which is just a 3 speed auto). I'll be giving him a call very shortly to get detailed info on his conversions. I've included his contact info and a link to a discussion Bulletin board where I read about his info.
I did read about a firm in Quebec, Canada that has a 300 Tdi conversion kit complete. Seems Land Rover has stopped making many of the parts that are needed in this kit. The adapter plate from the 300 Tdi to auto transmission is now sold out and unavailable. They do have some limited quantities of kits for the 300Tdi to the manual transmission still available. They use the new Brazilian engine as far as I can tell. Kits go for about $8,000.00. Here is the link to their website http://www.britrest.com/en.html. The name of the outfit is Britanica Restoration.
And to all you diesel afficando's....Good luck!!
Clarke Williams
President
Yeti Vehicle Specialties, Inc.
Coos Bay, Oregon USA
(541) 266-0300
http://www.land-rover.team.net/pipermail/za-lro/Week-of-Mon-20010917/003657.html |
Jeff Farrell (Jeff_F)
| | Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 06:51 pm: |
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AND THIS JUST IN FROM BRITANICA RESTORATION!!
I had written to Mike (Britanica Restoration) regarding the lack of parts to do a diesel conversion for my '97 Disco w/ Auto transmission. This is what he wrote back just a few minutes ago. Not bad response time since I wrote it an hour ago!! The link for his website is in the above post from me. Ohh what the heck...here it is again!!http://www.britrest.com/en.html
I'll keep you guys posted as to what I find out.
Jeff,
Since writing that a few weeks ago the 300 Tdi is now not available from LR - but wait!
There is another option!
We are starting to use the modern version of the 300 - the 2.8 - this has more torque than the V8 and is suitable to bolt directly to your auto box with no further conversions needed to the inside
I enclose a few details before I put it on my web site
You will see the 2.8 kicks the 300 into the ground and has more power than the Td5 and the new BMW 6 (not noted yet)
As these are a new development and not supported by Land Rover, they are more slightly more expensive than the 300 as the engines have to be modified to fit the auto box / engine bay
The engine uses most of the 300 Tdi parts and are very much the same on fuel, but bags more low down torque - which is what we need for the auto box ( that used to be a pain in the arse as the 300 didn't have the torque and the box had to be modified - this pushed the base kit to over $10,500)
The 2.8 is not used by LR because it does not meet the very strict European pollution laws as the Td5 does - but that is electronic fuel injection - you need the Test book to set it up and to do any repairs and at $10,000 for the computer it is not high on my shopping list!
The kit is complete with everything you need - we have no price for the A/C kit or the High capacity rad, but once the holidays have sorted themselves out I will find out more
So to sum up, yes, we can get an engine, yes, it will have more power and economy, and yes, you can run it on biofuel!
( To tell you the truth I was a bit despondent when they said the 300 was dead - we put a lot of work into promoting them)
Yours
Mike |
Matt (Doc175)
| | Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 09:54 pm: |
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I have a 96 D1 with a Tdi and R380 that was built by East Coast Rovers (it is the Disctech if you go to thier web site). I can tell you that any diesel coversion is a major project. ECR did an outstanding job and they are experienced in this area. I live in Savannah, GA and drove it all the way from Maine without a hick-up and it has been perfect ever since.
I looked into the GM conversion as well. If you get a good one it is great but as many of us have found out in the past, a lot of times different parts from very different manufacturers is often a disaster. I do not know why, things just do not jive.
I am not trying to promote ECR but they did a great job and are serious offroaders who know what they are doing. |
Chris Browne
| | Posted on Monday, December 30, 2002 - 01:46 am: |
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The Tdi engine is now made in Brazil after Land Rover sold the rights to it to a company later bought by International, hence the use of the powerstroke name that is also seen on Fords.
300 tdis are still sold in Africa and South America possibly elsewhere too
The 2.8 is a development of the 2.5 tdi, and is an updated upsized version.
the 2.8 is installed in the Brazilian Ford Ranger Pickup see the following link
www.ford.com.br/showroom/racaforte/motor_ranger.asp
As much as the tdi is a desireable engine, you can buy alot of gasoline for the $14-18k it would take to install a tdi in a NAS spec vehicle. |
matt williams
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2002 - 10:22 pm: |
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as far as the GM engine is concerned I can say that it is very powerfull. I have driven fully loaded humvee (12,000 lbs) in all sorts of conditions and the engine just keeps pulling. The ••••• has a lot to do with it but the engine is a good one. It is very heavy though, I cant imagine how you could get anything close to original performance from the front springs with the GM engine under the hood of a Disco. |
Peter Matusov (Pmatusov)
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Jeff,
the 700R4 is not a predecessor of TH400 - it is a four-speed later-years (before 4L60E) version of a TH350 (a weaker transmission than a TH400). TH350 seems to be barely adequate for a 350 SBC, let alone 6.5 turbo diesel. The TH400 is not "just a 3-speed auto," it is one of the strongest automatics ever made (short of Allison units from the big rigs).
before diving into it, check the weight budget. By the time you drop the 1-ton+ rated diesel drivetrain in your Disco, you'll be enjoying the same fuel economy as 1-ton trucks. Yeah, diesel is a bit cheaper than premium fuel (though it should not be a concern for someone ready to drop 10k on a diesel conversion). Be ready to swap out the rest of the drivetrain as well, for neither LT230 nor axles will take a big diesel's torque.
the 'Slav guys - where do you live?
peter |
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