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Neal Glessner (Nealg)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 05:06 pm: | 
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I was about to have a friend make me the CB sliders and then I saw sliders http://www.dap-inc.com/acc_frm.htm for only $220. Are they solid? |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 05:17 pm: |
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neal,
good question.
last time someone asked the same about those sliders. and nobody seemed to know.
would you be brave enough to test them out and report?  |
John Lee
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 05:22 pm: |
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Neal,
The price is definitely right. Go for it. |
Neal Glessner (Nealg)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 05:25 pm: |
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Ho,
I think I'm going to get them. I don't know if I would call it bravery- more like stupidity. |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 05:53 pm: |
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JUST DO IT!!!
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RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 05:58 pm: |
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what's the worse that can happen? you don't like them and you sell them on ebay for $200.
tom |
Neal Glessner (Nealg)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 07:24 pm: |
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What's the worse thing that can happen? Who's using RVR's identity? It is Larry, Moe, or Curlie?
Where is that recent thread where someone's slider failed and damaged their doors? |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 07:32 pm: |
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Ah...that. Nothing is unbreakable. Take any product made by any company and you can break it if you try hard enough.
I guess what I meant was more along the lines of cosmetics. If you think they look stupid once they are on, you could always sell them.
Now, if you want to avoid the sill mounted route, Aedofab is going to make some for DI's that mount to the frame like he makes for the DII's. I haven't bent my sill-mounted Aedofab ones and I doubt I will, but he is going to make both since the frame mounted ones will be easier to make and therefore cheaper. I think these for the DII are $350...
Tom |
Ron
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 09:27 pm: |
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There is no where near enough support on those sliders!
talk about leverage.
Just my opinion.
Ron |
Mike J. (Mudd)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 10:06 pm: |
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Sandwich the sills RTE! |
Ron
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 11:06 pm: |
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to do it "right" I say do what adeofab did, add some bolts/outriggers to the body outriggers on the frame and put little mounts under the sills with bushings so when it pushes it up it has the mounts on the frame/outriggers, AND has some padding before it pushes up into the sills;.
The closest to this is rockware but they do not go all the way to the frame. Instead they mount to the body outriggers and have a bush under the sill.
Ron |
Curtis
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 12:41 am: |
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Neal,
Order the things and let us know how they work! They look like crap and don't even line up with the body in that photo, but those are minor things that can be "adjusted" once you get them in. The price is right enough to spend a few more dollars at your local welder!
Curtis |
Neal Glessner (Nealg)
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 10:45 am: |
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I tried ordering them but they are on back order for at least 3 weeks. |
Curtis
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 12:02 pm: |
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It is worth the wait Neal. We need you here. You are the self nominated guinea pig on this. Don't let us down.
Curtis |
Jeff
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 12:24 pm: |
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Well, i emailed DAP about two weeks ago, asking them about the strength and mounting of their sliders, asked for pictures of the mounting, and referals. Well, their response was not satisfactory:
Direct copy of reply:
Hi Jeff,
The sliders attach to the chassis outriggers with bolts. Sorry, we don't have photos of the mounting points.
Regards,
D.A.P. Enterprises, Inc.
web - www.dap-inc.com
email - [email protected]
Phone - 802-885-6660
Fax - 802-885-6662 |
Phil
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 01:04 pm: |
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So what else do you expect for $220? |
Jeremy Katka (Jkatka)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 02:13 pm: |
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From the description in the DAP catalogue they sound alot like the bearmach ones.
http://www.bearmach.com/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Special_Offroad_Equipment_8.html look down the page for rock guards. I don't know anything about bearmarch other then they are a UK based company. Maybe we have some UK readers that can speak to the quality of their products?
JK |
Clif Ashley
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:33 pm: |
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I was looking at some DAP products also. Just in general, can anyone vouch that they are legit and their stuff isn't complete crap? Their prices seem pretty decent. |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:49 pm: |
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the only thing i can vouch for is their lug nuts.
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Neal Glessner (Nealg)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 07:12 pm: |
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I contacted Bearmach and tried to get a price on something and they refered me to DAP. I think there is a strong connection. |
David in Boston
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:30 am: |
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I have recently bought a couple of things from DAP, Big Blue springs for two trucks ( which seem fine) and their spring steel tie rods, great price complete with new greaseable ends � however they might as well have come prerusted. I have never seen anything rust so fast, anyway they are doing the job.
Their dif guards are really robust, I�ve been bashing the hell out of one for some time now.
As for the sliders, the photo on the site is of one of my buddies trucks who swears by DAP. He has them do all his service on his RRC and series one. The RRC has NO sills left and the rock sliders are a welcome edition as they mount solely to the frame. He has managed to bend/dent one after sliding down a hill sideways and taking a hit. I did not see it happen, but was told it was a really good hit. As far as cosmetics, in my opinion they leave a bit to be desired, the visible height is a little much. I will say a couple of others in our club run them and they do the job, and for the price they are hard to beat.
As a comparison I have recently inherited a set of bent RN sliders from a buddy who went to RT and the RN are a total POS!!! The mounting points are laughable, the metal if that is what it is that attaches in the door jam is soooo thin � they should be ashamed. On the bright side I am having a welder rebuild and beef up the weak spots and they should do just fine. I believe they are the same ones AB sells.
As for DAP they seem to be men of few words, but offer reasonable/good products at great prices. And yes I think the sliders are Bachmach.
David in Boston |
Jeremy Katka (Jkatka)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 11:35 am: |
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David,
Thanks for the input! You hit on a few questions I had regarding AB and RN. Maybe KVT will make a slider It seems as though quite a few people have felt that sliders that attached to the frame would be stronger. Is the material that goes from the slider to the frame strong enough to keep the slider from bouncing up into the sill, if it is floating? Maybe what I wonder is does it also have bolts that go through the sill? Thanks again.
JK |
Marc
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 11:58 am: |
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David and Jeremy,
I have just installed the RN sliders and I have to disagree with David's assessment of them. IMHO they are stout as hell. They mount to the frame outriggers and the sills and seem to be pretty immovable (if that is a word).
I haven't taken any hard hits yet, but I would imagine they will hold up fine. I have only seen pics of the AB sliders, but they don't look the same to me. It may be possible that RN has 2 models, but these seem to be of good quality and functionality.
-Marc |
David in Boston
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 12:02 pm: |
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Jeremy,
I don�t know if I can really answer your questions. Of the trucks that are running them, my buddy push�s them the hardest, but he has no sills to bounce into. I have not heard of others with problems, but do not know for sure.
I have also not bothered to really look underneath at the mounting, but have been told they only mount to the frame and not to the sills. I would take pictures but will not see the group for a couple of weeks. If anyone wants pictures and can wait I would be happy to do it, just let me know.
David in Boston |
David in Boston
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 12:33 pm: |
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Marc,
Perhaps RN has changed the quality of the sliders.
Welding has not begun on mine yet and I am able to provide photos of the damage for all that are interested.
They came off a 92 RRC and both bent up at the front into the front door and front fender, the passenger side being so bad as the door could not be opened with out minor damage as they were wedged into it.
The bar or slider that is visible with the door closed, is an impressive piece of metal, yes it is stout and has hi-lift points � which DAP does not. However when you open the door and look at the attachment point to the sill it is tin. It is a piece of stamped tin into a z shape that is designed to hold the slider onto the sill. This tin is light weight and bends � almost certainly up as that will be the direction of force. Yes there are two brackets on each side of the truck that mount to the frame horns/body mounts that have elongated holes, and really appear to have more value as guides to line up the sliders on installation. They do ad another mounting point, but not one strong enough to stop the slider from moving up.
In order for me to fix the problems a piece of true angle iron is to be welded to the slider in place of the stamped tin and then mounted to the sill, at which time I will wrap the back side of the sill in another piece of angle iron and bolt through the sill ( similar to RT) and eliminate the frame outriggers.
Obviously it depends on how you use your truck and your wallet and so forth, I am not trying to bash anyone or promote anyone�s product, only speaking from what I have seen.
David in Boston |
Marc
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 01:42 pm: |
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David,
It sounds like they must have changed them a lot since yours were made. Mine mount to the sill with approx. 10-12 7/16 bolts through a piece of what I would estimate to be 1/8" steel and also (and most securely) to the frame outriggers.
They do sound a lot different, and the ones you describe admittedly sound flimsy. Just wanted to let Jeremy know they seem to have improved them.
-Marc |
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