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Michael Noe (Noee)
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 11:02 am: | 
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Anyone know anything about these tires? Local tire guys says they are built as well as the BFG KMs and GY MTRs and should perform almost as well. THey're going for like $116/tire mounted/balanced. |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 11:08 am: |
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gillette? thats' a new one to me.
is it the same maker of the razor blade?  |
Michael Noe (Noee)
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 11:51 am: |
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hehe. That was exactly what I asked him, I guess that's a little obvious. Well, he says they're made by Dunlop basically as MT KM knock-offs with "almost" equal the trail performance just not the wear. |
John C.
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 12:02 pm: |
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I looked up Gillette tires and found some warranty info under Bridgestone and also found this:
http://www.uwec.edu/library/spcoll/Uniroyal.html |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 12:07 pm: |
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michael, the only thing that sound fishy is this "almost" this and "almost" that....
it's probably crap. |
John C.
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 12:09 pm: |
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I also found this site:
http://www.1stoptireshop.com/html/privatebrands.htm
I was looking up a tire called "Sidewinder". I have a set on my CJ7 (mud terrains). I purchased them from a Goodyear shop and the guy told me that if I could not afford the BFG MTs than the Sidewinder would be a good alternative. I purchased the extra warranty and I'm glad I did because after the first off-road event I had a bubble on the inside sidewall. I got the tire replaced for free but I don't think I would trust the tires again. Just my experience. |
steveII
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 12:39 pm: |
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it was a sunny day in the fall of
1982. i rushed to my first mircoeconomics
class at SMC with mr. buchwald.
he marches and without saying a word - writes
in huge letters on the blackboard TANSTALF!
he then told us this is THE MOST important
thing to know in economics, and perhaps life.
the translation "there ain't no such thing
as a free lunch!"
in cars, parts, weapons, etc etc etc - you
pay and get the nice one and enjoy it - or
you be a cheap a$$ and get sucka$$ quality
and have to buy it again.
nothing has changed
IMHO!
steveII |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 12:55 pm: |
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One of my favorite quotes:
"People on a budget tend to buy things twice"
Tom |
Michael Noe (Noee)
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 03:05 pm: |
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Trust me, I know. I've got a 533i, 260k miles and still going strong, we put a transimission in it at 30k, that's it, so I understand the concept. I just got back from the shop and had a chance to compare (look, touch and feel) 4 sets of tires:
BFG MT
Winston MT made by Kelly (Goodyear)
Multi-Mile "Wild Country" (Lee)
Gillette MT (Dunlop)
It's amazing how the price on the BFG is pretty firm, but the others "we have room to work". |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 03:09 pm: |
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Mike,
BFG's are price controlled by BFG. If a vendor discounts them, they loose the right to sell them. That is why places like Tire Rack do not sell some BFG models.
Tom |
Bill Bettridge (Billb)
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 03:18 pm: |
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The part I can't figure out is that in any other situation - that'd be anti-trust (in a heartbeat), so how BFG gets away with it is a mystery??
Bill |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 03:46 pm: |
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That happens for a lot of products. You can't buy many bike brands on the internet because the small bike shops refused to sell bikes that the big boys would sell cheap. Baby products always seem to be priced pretty much the exact same at all the discount centers. Prescription drugs do, too. The list goes on and on. Where they can have leeway on the BFG's is in mounting and balancing and the like. BFG has no idea if they give you free balancing and alignment with your BFG's.
Tom |
al hang
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 04:43 pm: |
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"The part I can't figure out is that in any other situation - that'd be anti-trust (in a heartbeat), so how BFG gets away with it is a mystery?? "
There shouldn't be anti-trust problems for BFG since there are so many alternatives. Basically they can control the prices however they want since they don't have a monopoly on the tire market. |
Ron
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 01:06 am: |
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SteveII your economics professor assumes that there are perfect markets.
I know markets are imperfect and therefore the true cheap bastard will find the best deal.
Ron |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 01:14 am: |
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damn i am speachless.
true cheap fucks indeed. LOL |
Curtis
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 01:34 am: |
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"The part I can't figure out is that in any other situation - that'd be anti-trust (in a heartbeat), so how BFG gets away with it is a mystery?? "
I am not an attourney, but I believe that price fixing is not an anti-trust issue. It is collusion. The legal boundaries have been pushed on this recently with companies like BFG & Oakley. Oakley is paying for it and BFG will also. Neither product is so good that people are gonna like getting screwed if they only buy that product. I don't buy Oakley or BFG because I have had bad luck with both.
In both cases - and in the bike biz - it was the dealers that pushed for the price fixing. The products were so hot that everyone knew the way to get customers in the door was to drop prices. Margins got too low and the dealers revolted. Now we have the situation Tom described.
Tom - sounds like you have spent some time in the bike business?
Curtis |
Ron
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 02:07 am: |
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The cheap bastards will prevail over the price fixers, oh yes, the invisible hand of the cheap bastards is unrelenting
Ron |
steveII
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 02:11 am: |
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ron
my inference was to buy quality
the first time. buying quality at
a lower price is a separate issue.
that is the domain of the 'bargain hunter'.
being a cheap a$$ though simular is
a little different.
a bargain hunter realizes the virtues of
brand X and will look for the best value
deal - not necessarily the lowest price.
a cheap a$$ will buy crap - grind on the
price and think he is the smartest one of
all - even though what he bought really sucks...
sublte but definately different!
steveII
TANSTAFL remains!! |
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