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Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 11:03 am: | 
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i found this on the net. anyone know who makes it?
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Wes Legaspi (Wes)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 11:13 am: |
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DAMN!!!!! SWEET!!!!
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niall forbes (Forbesn)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 11:26 am: |
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Wow!! A 12 cheerleader rating. Impressive.
I like the recovery points. Are they home made or purchased and attached?
Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit <--For Sale
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/forsale.htm |
Kyle
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 11:29 am: |
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Purchased/attached and............included...
Kyle |
Wes Legaspi (Wes)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 11:29 am: |
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Anyone know what happened to Michael and Kyle's test yesterday? |
Moe (Moe)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 11:57 am: |
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Beautiful  Great lines.
We know who makes it, but who will sell it? |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 12:03 pm: |
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good point matt. but even that dont' matter. there's nothing for sale yet.
so why bother deciding who sells?
LOL |
Ross
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 12:08 pm: |
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Kyle,
I hadn't heard back from you. That looks great. Do you need my current OEM bar. Email me so that we can work out the details.
[email protected]
Ross Edwards
97 Disco LSE |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 12:09 pm: |
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WOO NICE..Kyle add me to the list. I want one!! I even have the Factory Brush guard. That really KICKS ASS. |
Moe (Moe)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 12:11 pm: |
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"there's nothing for sale yet"
All look and no sell  You are teasing us once again, Ho |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 12:27 pm: |
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MOE,
We should take Kyle and Ho hostage and force them to build us one...heheh
Kyle,
Will this Modified OEM brush guard work on a D2. If so contact me when you start to make them. I`d love to get mine modified. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 01:14 pm: |
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Great work...!
For those that dont want to wait you could just buy a RTE slimline with no a bar and weld your brushbar onto the top of it? Not that Kyles work isnt fantastic, but he will probably never be able to keep up with the demand.. not to mention not everyone has their brushgards still. |
94Rover
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 01:29 pm: |
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Yippie, I still have my OEM brushgaurd- Who wants to buy my ARB bullbar? |
Kyle
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 03:34 pm: |
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That is a 2001 DII in that pic. And me not being able to keep up with the demand is a statement for me to make I think. I plan on stocking around 10 at all times so it really dont matter. After the initial spike its really no biggie.
Kyle |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 04:14 pm: |
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Nice job, Kyle. Looks good.
Tom |
JRoc
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 04:25 pm: |
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Kyle, Is there a waiting list? How does one go about getting this work of art? How soon before these will be available? Inquiring minds wanna know!
Kyle's not only a highly skilled craftsman, but a marketing genius! LOL Create demand first!!!
He could be weeks, or even months, away from being able to offer these for sale. Who know's??? Definately looks like it's worth the wait though!!! Nice job Kyle |
Mark Johnson
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 10:41 pm: |
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Is that the new slimline bumper from Rovertym? |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 12:24 am: |
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The bumper looks great - a nice blend of Land Rover Brush Bar and RoverTym slimline bumper with the ability to mount a heavy duty winch and some heavy duty looking recovery points.
My only problem is that I find the maker of the bumper to be a bit too arrogant and rude for my tastes and I cannot justify supporting that.
Otherwise, best wishes to your endeavors. |
jmon
| | Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 02:13 am: |
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kyle that bumper really looks bad ass! i am sold..when are they available.. |
Neal Glessner (Nealg)
| | Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 03:30 am: |
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Hey Anonymous, (you stupid piece of shit!)
You're a coward for not posting your name! When posting, the difference between a coward and someone who is "arrogant" is if they include their name or not. GROW SOME BALLS! |
theotheranonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 03:36 am: |
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hmmm... so if rovertym didn't have a bumper would people say "nice blend of land rover brush bar and ... say SG bumper"? i don't get it... for me it's completely different. |
Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d)
| | Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 06:56 am: |
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Anon,
Did you know Kyle can probably tell who you are from your IP address on the message! Ooops! Anyway, why so hard on the guy? Arrogant and rude, yes, but only to idiots like you LOL. So when you come round and really decide you want one of these, better cange your name and move to a different computer, and then grovel accordingly.
Kyle, please add my name humbly to the waiting list. I have a slightly bent brush bar, but the top part is fine. You know where to find me whenever you're ready.
Thanks,
Dean
Ps can you make this fit the milemarker? I believe that one is almost exactly 24" wide (or just a hair over) including the gear handle. |
Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d)
| | Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 07:00 am: |
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Hey what's that white part sticking down under the left hand side of the bumper? |
Axel Haakonsen (Axel)
| | Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 08:02 am: |
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"My only problem is that I find the maker of the bumper to be a bit too arrogant and rude for my tastes and I cannot justify supporting that."
But yet you are here taking advantage of a web site that the same "rude and arrogant" Kyle is part of operating, at no cost to you. Isn't that a bit of a double standard? |
Markd1x2 (Markd1x2)
| | Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 09:07 am: |
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Kyle,
I know it's one of those "if you can't afford it don't ask" type queries... but .... how much and what is the lead time ?
I'm glad now that I've waited for perfection !
Mark |
Kyle
| | Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 09:17 am: |
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The others seem to have already responded to you Anon but perhaps I can ad something to that. The design on the bumper depicted above is complettely mine and over a year old. If you think the Rovertym slim line bumper loooks like it maybe you should do a little thinking on that.
As far as me being rude. Well , just like the bumper depicted above , some like me , some dont. Maybe me not caring either way is what bothers you ?
Kyle |
Kyle
| | Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 09:25 am: |
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Dean , I am doing a mile marker in the next two weeks and I have a feeling you are going to run into the owner very soon. 
Kyle |
GroovyDude
| | Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 11:23 am: |
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Hey ANON,
All I have to say to you is   and have a good day! |
Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4)
| | Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 12:43 pm: |
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That is a DISCO II that the bumper is on |
KJ
| | Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 12:47 pm: |
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HAHAHAHA, GroovyDude, I see you're in the spirit of things! If Anon didn't use any products or services from people he percieved to be not to his liking, chances are good he'd be cold, nekkid and hongry.
Karen, Rover on! |
Kyle Beckman (Kbeckman)
| | Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 09:57 pm: |
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Kyle,
All I can say is SWEET! You can add my name to your list. I hope my brushguard isn't too bent to be used. Provide pricing when you can. I need to know how many penny jars to empty.
The Other Kyle |
Slider
| | Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 11:33 pm: |
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I'd like to shake your hand someday Kyle!
...bumper Kyle, that is... |
michael burt (Mikeyb)
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 12:05 am: |
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kyle, great looking work. would be interested in details that a newbie can understand. i am slowly, but surely transforming my 2001 SII, and would like to know more about your bumper.
mike |
Curtis
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 01:15 am: |
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Damn that looks good.
"Santa - I was a good boy this year and...."
Curtis |
Tricky
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 01:52 am: |
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Kyle,
What is air bag compatibility like with those recovery hooks? BTW, do you want an agent in Aussie???
The Disoc has a smile with that bar, just like everyone else seems to!
Tricky |
tricky
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 01:53 am: |
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I am so excited I spelt Disco wrong!!! |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 02:56 am: |
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94rover, i'll take your arb if you're serious.
e-mail me [email protected] |
Ron
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 04:06 am: |
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Why reuse the stock brush bar?
I mean seriously, the thing is a giant turd. You know how Ho's SG bent into the fender what do you think is going to happen with a stock brush bar? Nice big turd marks on the hood and fenders.
It will do more harm than good. If you want the look why not buy some .120 wall tube and bend your own
Ron
PS Here is a nice test, not as nice as the Ron and Leslie jumping on the end test but cool and explains what to look for in a bumper (no smiles )
http://www.rovertym.com/bumpers.htm
Notice how little it deflects in the center |
Tricky
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 04:32 am: |
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Not that I'm no expert, but would it run the look (Functionality vs design) to somehow support the brush guard where it wraps around by connecting it to the solid bumper with a vertical pipe (ie on the side, near the blinker (indicator). Or maybe it is, I just cant make it out.
IMH and uninformed opinion, this would give some rigidity to the guard, without any major trade offs. Kyle, I know the brush guard is just that, but some seem to think that it should be able to send bulls to their maker without any damage to the car! |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 08:28 am: |
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ROTFLMAO!!!
-L |
Kyle
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 08:34 am: |
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This will be a fun day..... I got Ron (Keeper of the junk) schooling me on the stock brush bars. And I got some rovertym parking lot tests. I will get to these in a few....
Kyle |
Kyle
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 10:16 am: |
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Now Ron , Ho's bumper rotated up and allowed the bar to hit the fender on his truck , that was the case there. As far as the LRNA BRUSH guard. Well , it fits a taste. I have been running one for three years or so now and never had an incident. If your guage of it being a POS is if it will make up for lack of driving skill then you are absolutely right. Its a flaming POS when guaged like that. If you have a functioning steering wheel and you know what to do with it then it will serve the purpose. I have stated in other posts that the LRNA brush bar is not the end of it. I will offer any option aside from "Ugly" . Ugly I just wont do....
As far as you using an Image of a Rovertym bumper to "Educate" me on something. I will remind you again that I was running my own bumper long before RTE had contracted out its first laser cut for one.... I will also remind you that in previous posts you thought the $G and the Husky winch were the cats meow even after being told oterwise about half a dozen times... By me , the one you are trying to educate now.....
Kyle |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 10:22 am: |
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kyle.. i think you should make the pre-runner front too , that way if i nose dive into the dirt i will be protected. i was hoping you could weld up the pieces from the stock bar that you cut off, use those to make it.
rd |
Kyle
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 10:26 am: |
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Um , no comment Rob.....lol
Kyle |
Mark & Bev Preston (Markp)
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 10:35 am: |
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Kyle,
I take it this is for a DII. Will it also be available for a DI?
Mark |
Kyle
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 11:00 am: |
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I did the series 1 before I did the series 2. Will have some pics of it on a series 1 with a mile marker after the week end...
Kyle |
gil
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 11:09 am: |
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kyle.. is that the washer resivoir sticking out under the driver side of the bumper? |
Kyle
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 11:11 am: |
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Yeah , it needs to be relocated but we ran out of time for me to do it hree. Michael is actually back in NM now with it.
Kyle |
Michael Noe (Noee)
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 11:44 am: |
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Kyle:
Awesome! Maybe a dumb question...will an XD90000 fit? Are you near the Hagerstown Airport? |
al h
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 11:50 am: |
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i believe kyles bumper is not warn winch compatible. |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 11:52 am: |
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Kyle, great job. That design looks awesome. It cracks me up when others are quick to comment on how one design is copied from another. Truth is, there's only one way to make a functional high-approach angle bumper, and that is to get as much material from in front of the front tires as possible. Therefore, all good bumpers will "smile".
I'm just glad that I couldn't find any bolt-on recovery points this weekend, or my bumper would look VERY similar to yours, even though I hadn't seen it until this am. I guess great minds think alike. Hehehe. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 01:06 pm: |
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"I did the series 1 before I did the series 2. Will have some pics of it on a series 1 with a mile marker after the week end..."
thought milemarker was a bad word on discoweb?
everytime I have uttered it the roverites tell me how wrong I am?
nice bumper |
Kyle
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 01:20 pm: |
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Yeah But Findlay already has one and he is in love with the little pisser. What can I do ?
Kyle |
Rich Lee
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 03:30 pm: |
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I never thought I would be saying anything in defense of Kyle. Rude? At times, but he lives far enough away that it doesn't affect me. Arrogant? Sure, but that will mellow with age and life experience. However, he has come up with the most elegant bumper design I have seen, and if I had the spare cash, I would buy it. The stock LR brushbar may be wimpy, but it is a very aesthetic design and matches the contours of the Disco a lot better than anything else out there. Grafted it on to Kyle's bumper it should be a lot stronger and it really compliments the shape of the bumper and the truck. However, I would agree with the suggestion of either welding or bracketing the corners of the brushbar to the corners of the bumper. This would improve the outcome of bumper vs. deer encounters. Also, I would suggest that Kyle weld the vertical tubes of the cut-down LR brushbar to some sturdy flanges that can be bolted to Kyle's bumper (along with the above-mentioned corner brackets). That way, the design is "modular" and if you trash the brushbar, you can just bolt on another from Kyle's inventory.
Sure, there are other bumper/bullbar combos out there that look "beefier" and may even be stronger. However, I would venture to guess that as opinionated as Kyle is, he hat "put his metal where his mouth is" and has designed his bumper not to dent, bend, rotate, torque or "smile" under most intelligent, or even half-witted abuse. I must commend Kyle for avoiding some of the design pitfalls of many other bumpers:
It does not look like an oversized tow truck push-bar, or hang way out in front, ruining approach angle.
It has an aesthetic lower contour at the fenders and does not end in an abrupt "shelf" that gives the truck an ugly "over-bite" look in front.
It avoids the "out there" pre-runner look. I think that design looks OK on a SCORE race truck, but not on a Disco.
Don't get too cocky Kyle, there are others out there with some very nice design and workmanship. Check out Scott Bowden's design on his site.
Anyway, I hope Kyle succeeds with his new venture without too many headaches.
I suggest Kyle celebrate his product launch with an appropriate beer, what better than "Arrogant Bastard Ale" by Stone Brewing Co. Check it out at: www.arrogantbastard.com
For more detail check out the "animated arrogance" section at:
http://www.arrogantbastard.com/animated/index.html
Enjoy,
Rich |
Kyle
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 03:52 pm: |
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There are actually supposed to be two stanchions . One at the corner and one at the back. The lack of time and Argon made them fall by the wayside Rich . Thanks for the write up there and keep in mind that it was "Life experience" that made me "Rude" I prefer to see it as direct and to the point. For the people that dont want to hear direct and to the point I guess I come off rude......
Kyle |
Chris Merritt (Smokinbro)
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 04:00 pm: |
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Kyle, how much heavier is your bumper vs. the factory bumper (less winch of course). |
Kyle
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Oh my , its all 1/4" with a 3/8 front plate. I would say its Around 100-130 depending on the bar/ Whats the stocker weight ? 30 pounds?
Kyle |
Richard Dekkard (Dekkard)
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 04:19 pm: |
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Not that I want to defend Kyle either.. ( i dont know him ) but its safe to say that alot of things "typed" on the internet can sound very rude, although when said in person can be funny, and perceived in a different way.. Ergo... if you know Kyle, you may automaticly insert his personality into his posts and not see them any other way.. If you dont know him, you might think hes an arrogant hick.
I dont know him.. =)
but I also know that direct and to the point is an aqcuired taste to alot of people as I am that way most of the time. So im willing to forgoe bashing him at least until i meet him which Im sure will happen at some point in this small Rover world.
As far as his and other opinions about all things Rover. They are just that. Opinions..I know for a fact, based on my experience, that my opinion is contrary to Kyle's on some things. We really only know for sure that which we experience, and not all experiences will ever happen in the same way. So what you learn in one experience doesnt mean that its going to be the same elsewhere. I know thats kind of cryptic, but I mean it in reference to things like bumpers, bending,sliders , and aesthetic tastes.
What I dont think people should do for one minute though is perceive that ANYONE whether it be Kyle or anyone else is more "knowledgeable" about anything, just cause they have a website, or even a popular one. Having a website, especially a big one, does not mean that the owners or operators espouse a higher order of knowlege upon the world.
Also, a common aspect of the internet is flaming and post wars.. I really think we should not do that to each other as rover lovers.. Save that stuff for football teams or baseball.. Dont even do it to jeepers, or toy truckers. ITs just not cool, they arent our enemies, and we should all have better things to worry about..
This post is way too long but fuck it.. |
Hank Shank (Disco_Tex)
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 04:52 pm: |
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Damn Kyle!!
Do I smell a new member of the SEMA community evolving here?
Just a thought..... |
p m
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 05:14 pm: |
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this word just ain't perfect.
so sad that Kyle had to ruin a great bumper with an ugly LR brush bar...
that brush bar goes a long way in shaping an otherwise nice vehicle into a big running shoe...
Kyle, I take it that the brush bar isn't a mandatory option, right?
Peter |
JMcD
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 05:25 pm: |
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A perfect example of how opinions differ. I think the brush-bar makes the look, I love it. Peter thinks the brush-bar looks like a running shoe. He hates it. Who is right? Me, of course. Although I am sure Peter sees things differently. JMcD |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
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My votes with JMcD. I think the brush bar makes the look as well.
Seem we have some here with LR Brush Bar Envy!!ehehe |
p m
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 06:11 pm: |
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i think nothing beats simplicity -
peter |
p m
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 06:14 pm: |
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Jeff,
envy's the wrong word. if i bought my disco with LR brush bar, it would have ended in the "for sale " section as soon as i had time to take it off.
peter |
Kyle
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 06:15 pm: |
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Keep in mind that Peter is a Jeeper at heart.... That should explain alot..
Kyle |
p m
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 06:24 pm: |
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actually Kyle, i almost put a link to the jeep pic at arbusa.com website, for your enjoyment
seriously, what's this for -
There's no _need_ for it. and it is more difficult to weld together than simple ARB's bar. and it makes a bit of a common look with a freelander's fake brush guard, or any cheap aftermarket light bar from JC Whitney...
(disclaimer - my bitchin' is only about LR's brush bar design, nothing else)
peter |
Kyle
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 07:24 pm: |
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Actually Peter , I would have no problem at all dragging another disco with that main hoop. Pulling one out of a stuck I am sure would destroy it but its plenty strong for its intended purpose. How many have you seen destroyed by smart drivers ?
Kyle |
p m
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 07:30 pm: |
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i'm not saying it's lame. but the side pieces look like it's an afterthought. While the main hoop looks okay, brush bar all together is one big turd.
and i guess you can winch and drag a rover by any part of an ARB bull bar. (or factory big jeep brush guard, for that matter)
peter |
Kyle
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 09:04 pm: |
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Thats the Jeeper in you Peter , you are used to the little A bars on the Jeeps...
Kyle |
JRoc
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 09:05 pm: |
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Kyle,
I happen to think that the only thing that bumper really needs, is MY TRUCK BEHIND IT! I don't give a rat's rectum if your arrogant or not, you build a great fu*king bumper!!! Let me know when you're ready to start selling them.
[email protected] |
Kyle
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 09:53 pm: |
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Rectum???? LOL.......
Kyle |
Curtis
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 11:04 pm: |
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Kyle,
Showed the pic above to my dealer today. They really dug it, but asked what you would do when you sold so many that you ran out of wrecked brush bars. They thought an A-bar would look good also and I would concur.
Oh - they did say: "Hey! Thats the guy who has that arrogant rectum rat." Maybe you can get a name for the bumper in there somewhere.
Curtis |
Ron
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 11:08 pm: |
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All I am saying Kyle is if you like the look why not remake the stock POS out of real tube rather than the muffler pipe that the stock one is made out of.
Or is that too hard.
From the looks of the pic the front part of that brush bar sticks out past the front of the bumper. So that the first thing that is going to get hit.
The sides are almost the same situation so if you were to end up in a position like I did at paragon trying to climb out of the stream (see alyssa's gallery) you would have a nice dent in the side of the fender from where the stock brush bar got pushed in.
Ron
PS I still like the SG and if you recall I have always said the best winch is a Koenig.
PSS as far as rovertym parking lot testing I can tell you that you can plow into a tree with one hitting the corner at a pretty good clip and you will just bounce off. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 11:16 pm: |
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Ron , I hate to break it to ya , but , you cant drive !! You arre now bashing her truck and turning it into the same garbage you had prior to. For people like that it doesnt really matter what you build. it will always get thrashed of be the last thing standing on a truck thats completely thrashed. Either way it really dont matter any more does it? Everyone here knows the factory bar isnt made out of much but with the proper attachment it will do just fine for people that know how to use the steering wheel. The ones I have had on the front of mine have lived happy lives and went on to live on other trucks... I have also been further then Paragon with them....
Ron , ya need to get on more during the day. I cant keep waiting up like this for ya....
Kyle |
Kyle
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 11:21 pm: |
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Ron , something else just struck me...lol You wont be buying anyones bumper. Not RTE not mine or ARB so it really doesnt matter that much ? Also , have you read the thread ? I nail anything at all on the front of that Disco. I just wont do ugly..... As far as the parking lot testing ? SHould I run over one ? Like a mock up of it falling off on the highway ?
Kyle |
Curtis
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 11:22 pm: |
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Ron,
Maybe you should design bumpers Jeez man, if you don't like the KVT bumper then be happy with what ya got and don't get one.
It seems like the brush bar is really a non-issue. If you don't like it you can either order one without it or cut it off. The key features here are winch compatibility and approach angle.
Curtis |
Curtis
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 11:23 pm: |
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Kyle,
I used to demo laptops by running over them in an F350. It does not prove much
Curtis |
John Lee
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 11:24 pm: |
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No, but it sure looks sexy on the website. |
Curtis
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 11:28 pm: |
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Ya, but it is wimpy. I want to see something like a front end loader dumping 4000lbs of concrete on the damn thing from 10 feet in the air. That is much more realistic |
Kyle
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 11:32 pm: |
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lol , That happened to me just last week. That damn factory bar folded like a lawn chair....
Kyle |
Ron
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 11:56 pm: |
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I want my trucks as bomb proof as possible because I drive with the right foot too much.
As far as wrecking the rear fender had I had a rear bumper liek SG or RTE it would have been fine. Tree would have bounced off. Instead, crunch. Ya I fucked up. And it was not the right foot or anything like that just bad luck. Oh well, did not see the situation (rock covered in leaves) and I paid the price. Would have been a lot better if it would have been protected by a proper rear bumper (one with side sliders to keep off the body and one with outriggers to the frame).
Thats my thinking, make it as tough as possible. Minimize the chance of damage. You are putting on a known weak link. Why, to make it look good?
And I will be buying a bumper, I need one for the rangie. As soon as the new RTE for the M12000/M15000 comes out I will buy one and stick my old upright warn on it (if it will fit). Either that or I will break down and get an ARb for it and stick in in there.
I have no beef with Kyle's bumper, I am sure it is strong (provided it is boxed in back) its just putting that turd brush bar . . . why?
Ron |
KKyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 12:00 am: |
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Actually Ron , I have a two reasons now. One , I like it. Two , you dont......
Kyle |
Curtis
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 12:08 am: |
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Ron,
I like you. It takes a real man to stand up and say his driving is a little off
Curtis |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 12:15 am: |
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A little ? Everything he owns is garbage . It cracks me up when he staarts giving others advice. I mean damn , his ideas work so well for him......
A whole new bumper for the 12 and 15 ? Dayum...
Kyle |
Rich Lee
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 12:21 am: |
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Kyle,
Don't ever change. I don't think you would anyway.
Like you, I try to drive more one my brains and less with my right foot. Hence, I will reserve "bomb-proof" engineering for such things as my climbing protection placements and anchors.
I would actually be interested in a "Lite" version of your bumper. Say, 3/16" or a mix of lighter metals at the edges and just enough in the center to properly support a 9000-10000 lb winch. What would it weigh (I'm looking for 80 lbs or less) and would it be worth doing?
Rich. |
Curtis
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 12:27 am: |
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LOL - that does not mean I would not want to wheel with him though. I always like watching machinery get smashed up...as long as it is not mine
Ron, "bad luck" is having a boulder fall off a cliff and smash your truck to crap...not beating up a poor tree |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 12:29 am: |
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My winch basket is what it is and it weighs a little. Because of its design I dont have to jump through hoops to change to a different style of winch. I can change the wings though to a thinner material. The one Simon has is 3/16 on the blades and I ran it through hell and back quite a few times. Getting the whole shooting match under 80 pounds might be a little rough...
Kyle |
Michael Villanueva (Michael)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 12:29 am: |
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Just an FYI: I finally got a chance to use my official EE Staun tire deflators repeatedly. After Kyle put the lift on the above truck, I had to deflate the tires each time to get into Todd's garage. Plus, I got to use the PowertTank to pump up after a days work. So there. Real field experience for the deflators and the PT!
Had I known Ho was gonna post my damn pic here, I would have at least set my PIAA lights straight. Damn!
So all you rounders lissen up: This bumper is the only one on this planet that has an RE12000 -- and Kyle designed and built it. And she looks sharper here at home!!! I told you all in the other thread -- __HIS__ design smokes anything available.
I hope Ho posts the entire picture sequence -- there are some great shots -- MIG welding, torch cutting, grunting, smiling, all sorts of great candid shots -- even a shot of Kyle pissing sparks!
damn. damn. damn.
Well, you can all argue about the gaurd, the price, personality traits and all...
I got mine, and its cool. Plus an hour or two of Winching 101 in Kyle's backyard.
Thanks Kyle.
Thanks for installing my lift for me.
Thanks for feeding me.
Thanks for that set of tires.
Thanks for all those 14 hour days of hard ass labor.
Thanks for all the lessons.
Thanks for building me a bumper.
and special Thanks for all the great conversations!
Michael |
Ron
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 12:51 am: |
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"Everything he owns is garbage"
Have you ever seen ANY of the stuff I own? Somehow others would disagree
As far as my advice unless I have done it personally I always disclaim that I heard it and offer it as a lead to the right answer.
I would also submit that I try to help more people than you, and although I have been wrong the occasion it is quite rare when I am.
And my ideas work fine for me, its usually when I let someone else touch the truck that I have problems, or you know if I decide to drive it
Ron
PS Kyle, not a whole new bumper just a different center tray which should fit my old warn
PPS rich lee, unless you want a Ramsey RE just get a rovertym bumper. His fit the smaller winch you are looking for though they do not weigh much less |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 08:58 am: |
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Ron , I have no doubt others would disagree. There is a long long line of people that actually praise garbage and cheer on the trail at the sounds of it being created. So , yes , I am sure others would disagree. I also agree that the people looking to mount the little smoker winches should indeed get a bumper from John at Rovertym. Its a simple process to mount any of them in mine but I gotta tell ya , my Heart just aint into making bumpers for useless little winches.
"I would also submit that I try to help more people than you, and although I have been wrong the occasion it is quite rare when I am."
Now this cracks me up. Ron , I completely believe that you think this to be true. But its a symptom of not knowing enough to know when you are wrong and when you arent. Most of them time you sound like me and my teen age friends when we were young , stupid and poor , running around trying to patch up our "Cool" machines only to bash the shit out of them again and repeat the cycle.
Take a look at your track record. You have had more dumb shit happen to the trucks you "Drive" (I use this term loosely here) in the last year then have happend to our trucks (Me , Ho and Ax) combined since we have owned them. And you havnt gone anywhere !! You heard of the term "Lead by example" ?
Kyle |
Scott (Scott_Bowden)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 09:18 am: |
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Rich Lee and Kyle,
If I remember correctly my bumper was just under 90 lbs.
The winch basket is 1/4" and the rest is 3/16". It is fully boxed and could be used as an air tank. There is a photo of it in the sandblasted state in my gallery.
Scott |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 10:02 am: |
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scott, nice bumper...
you going to sell?
rd |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 10:19 am: |
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Yes Scott , that was a fine job......
Kyle |
Simon E. Arenas (Simon)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 10:25 am: |
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I think people have seen this a million times ...
well this is the now mexicanized 3/16 prototype..
I think the brush looks and performs.. (not just looks)
http://www.expeditionexchange.com/kyle/DCP_0481.jpg
Simon |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 11:26 am: |
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Some people like the look of the brush guard, some do not. OK. We all agree that it may not be the strongest thing going, but you may not need it to be and if you drive OK with that in mind you should be fine.
However, the question is brewing, and brewing strong like a Starbuck's french roast. Will the first person to bend that thing be allowed to throw it out Kyle's window?
Tom |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 11:34 am: |
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Tom , I actually bash my own shit about ten times harder then I have ever slammed anyone elses. If its junk its junk. Dont matter who made it....
Now , you dont have a brush guard on yours at all right ? And you have to drive acordingly ? Whats the difference ?
My window is always open.....
Kyle |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 12:01 pm: |
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Kyle,
speaking of a bars, you're trippin - i've never been into baby jeeps. and if i ever bought one, it would be a nearly bone stock 5, just to show off on the street (it hurts to meet not one, but two more white range rovers with ARB bumpers at a light). So, i am completely uneducated in a-bars for jeeps or other junk. every one i've seen was a show-only POS to have the 8" lights obstructing the radiator, LR's "stocker" no exception.
and it hurts me to see a very nice and clean blade with this vinnie the pooh's ears' brush bar on it.
peter |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 12:23 pm: |
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LOL , Peter , show the boys the pic of the bar you wanna put on the Disco.... CMon , lets see your taste here.....
Kyle |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 12:26 pm: |
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i don't have a good pic, you know that.
what i want to see on the bumper (if anything) is the top part of old ARB bull bar for an RRC. or, maybe, a single hoop made of decent tubing.
if it don't fit there, let it be empty.
speaking of what you want to see, it is by far stronger than vinnie's ears (you just have to believe me).
peter |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 12:29 pm: |
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no no no , Cmon , post the pic. Dont make me go digging.....
Kyle |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 12:30 pm: |
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do the digging.
but there ain't a single good pic that shows the brush guard you're talking about.
peter |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 12:34 pm: |
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here's one (i assume) you're talking about -
Ugly POS that's stronger than anything LR ever peddled
peter
p.s. it aint my truck |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 12:54 pm: |
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Now thats kinda what you were wanting. Dont down play it now....
Kyle |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 12:58 pm: |
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no that's not. i said what i want, and that's what i was wanting. i mentioned the jeep's bar to you about a year and a half ago, before i got the arb bumper for the rangie.
the two have one thing in common - a straight and very strong no-bs hoop. and that's what i want.
peter |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 01:00 pm: |
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Pter it was less then a week ago when you showed me a pic of your jeep and the bar you wanted to cut off of it and nail onto the Disco. It was a Horrendous heap much like that one there...
Kyle |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 01:39 pm: |
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Ron, RTE will have an RE12000 bumper as well.. At least I hope so since my winch is at his shop waiting for a home to bolt into. Of course I have no idea what it is going to look like.. I got a general idea though. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 01:52 pm: |
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I am on the edge of my seat over that one Eric...
Kyle |
John Lee
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 01:54 pm: |
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Eric,
I have a pretty damn good idea what it's going to look like. |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 01:59 pm: |
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shesh... next time I'll just keep my mouth shut.. I forgot about that other post that I read and some things in this one.. Don't see why JBS all of a sudden has a target on his head with you guys.. Worried about a little comp? |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 02:03 pm: |
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lol , no target at all. I would fully expect him to dish some shit my way as well.... Lets just wait and see....
Kyle |
Scott (Scott_Bowden)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 02:25 pm: |
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Rob,
Right now I don't have the time, maybe in the future.
I am currently working on a rear bumper for my truck. I will post pics when done.
Thanks,
Scott |
alhang
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 02:28 pm: |
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The "best" bar out there would be(in my opinion) a blade style bumper with the TJM tubes. They are thick, functional, and I think look good. Light tabs for 3 lights, the hoist rings from grainger http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/productdetail.jsp?xi=xi&ItemId=1611591657 and mounts for Warn's M series, Ramsey of course, Pierce, and MM. If I had a garage and kyle's welding skills I could retire early.... but that's just my taste. |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 03:20 pm: |
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Kyle,
is that what you wanted to see?
you can't really see the brush bar on this one. i mentioned it to give an idea of what i would want, and told you that it (the lopped-off hoop) would actually fit the disco better than it does the jeep.
but you already know all this, so why bother.
even the TJM bar looks cleaner than the LR -
why bother proving that the LR bar is strong while it's not? doesn't it sound odd "it's plenty strong, you just need to be careful about it?"
peter |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 03:22 pm: |
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Kyle,
is that what you wanted to see?
you can't really see the brush bar on this one. i mentioned it to give an idea of what i would want, and told you that it (the lopped-off hoop) would actually fit the disco better than it does the jeep.
but you already know all this, so why bother.
even the TJM bar looks cleaner than the LR.
why bother proving that the LR bar is strong while it's not? doesn't it sound odd "it's plenty strong, you just need to be careful about it?"
peter |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 03:23 pm: |
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Axel, there's some bug in the code
- sorry for the double post |
Michael Villanueva (Michael)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 03:40 pm: |
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"but you already know all this, so why bother.
even the TJM bar looks cleaner than the LR"
Horseshit. Who says that looks cleaner? I dislike any A bar that slopes forward towards the base at the top of the blade -- to me that design is not an inherently cleaner design. (Or are you referring to the lack of grills over the lights?)
I think that forward slope is a bullshit design feature that visually projects pretended strength to a part of the bar that should not be be used in a recovery situation.
That slope is the ultimate pimp feature: It looks like it does something, but it is impotent. |
al hang
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:02 pm: |
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http://www.tjmproducts.com.au/img/t15.jpg
that's the shit, kyle when you buying a decent tube bender? |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:07 pm: |
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Al I have a tubing bender that can bend up to 5" rigid without effort. The TJM isnt the shit at all and blocks the lights and other atributes of the front end of the vehicle. A wrap around is the only way to go as it leaves the front end open behind it. When I look at the front of my truck I wanna see a Land Rover with a nice bumper Guard combo. When you look at a TJM or ARB truck all you see is ARB or TJM...
Kyle |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:13 pm: |
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And now I will get a little more complicated. Stand in front of any ARB ,TJM , $G , RTE and take a look. Looking at them dead on from the front it might be all good . t might be very apealing to the eyes and it just MIGHT blend with the rovers front end. Now , start walking to the left or to the right all the way around to the side and take in the profile. You will quickly find in that short trip that the bumper that looked good from the front quickly vanished on you as you got around to the profile...
Kyle |
Hank Shank (Disco_Tex)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:22 pm: |
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Hey Kyle,
Maybe you could use your tube bender to create a front bumper, slider, rear bumper, and roof rack, all in one piece! Save all the hassles of buying them seperate.....
lol
Keep welding man, your bumper is an inspiration and a sight for sore eyes. |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:34 pm: |
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Ok, what good would a bumper chat be if I didn't bring up Aedofab?
Hoo boy. Everybody start flaming me now.
Tom |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:37 pm: |
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forward slope is a bullshit design, and i hate it.
if a TJM bumper hoop has a forward slope to it, i retract my statement. But, IMO, the backward slope is just as much bullshit.
peter |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:40 pm: |
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Ok, before everybody gives me shit, let me go on record as saying that I have two favorite bumpers. Aedofab and KVT. I think they serve different tastes, and knowing the creators, they will probably serve their customers well as they gain some more purchasers.
Tom |
Michael Noe (Noee)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:41 pm: |
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Hoo boy, I still like the wrap-around. Okay, so what is "Aedofab"? |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:49 pm: |
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Tom,
what the heck the Aedofab's bumper needs to have a triple hoop for, with sides being lower than the center? why not to have one straight 1.75" OD 0.120 wall hoop with a couple of braces in the middle like ARB?
peter |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:53 pm: |
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Two little letters... $G
Kyle |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:54 pm: |
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i was thinking more trek than SG? |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:55 pm: |
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Also Peter , its called creativity. Any good fabricator I ever knew tried to be as unique as possible.....
Kyle |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:56 pm: |
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dosn't $G sport the same ugly triple hoop design as Aedofab?
peter |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:57 pm: |
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oh...
shit... i forgot the creativity... isn't that the same human trait that brought the Avalanche and Aztek?
peter |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:58 pm: |
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lol , yes , I was simply answering your "Why not do it this way" question.... I cant answer for that guy. Jus thinking out loud....
Kyle |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 05:00 pm: |
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I cant answer for those things either. Some people have it , some people obviously dont...
Kyle |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 05:03 pm: |
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so Kyle,
would you do a custom order with a single upright hoop more or less following the front edge of the hood, and two vertical braces? and let the CHP officer determine if it obstructed any lighting?
peter |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 05:06 pm: |
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Well, he built it to follow the lines of the Disco's lights and grill. Also, he liked the front being up higher to not block out the LAND ROVER lettering. That's what he said to me when I asked. A customer wanted a brush guard and he made that up.
As far as creative, I guess it would be more creative to hack off a piece of some other equipment and weld it on.
Tom |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 05:06 pm: |
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Yep.....
Kyle |
John Lee
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 05:21 pm: |
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Al - for TJM bumpers, I got serious mahagony for this bumper:
http://www.tjmbullbars.com/FordSuperDutyT15steelwhiteTJMProducts.jpg
http://www.tjmbullbars.com/FordSuperDutyT15steelwhitecloseupTJMProducts.jpg
I think that Super Duty front bumper and the Disco rear bumper are the nicest bumpers in the TJM line.
Tom - for the Aedofab bumper, I just can't get past the blade design. The thing is just too extreme for my conservative taste. It looks like a giant Ginsu knife on the front of a Disco. |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 05:27 pm: |
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Tom,
i think i still have some old futon hardware sitting in my garage.... the legs will make a nice inexpensive brush bar, a la LR style. You need some exceptionally skilled welder, however... 'cause the tubing's wall is paper thin. But, with some good driving skills and common sense, you won't bend it.
peter |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 05:27 pm: |
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John,
Those TJM's are very nice on the SD.
Yeah, the Aedofab bumper and Kyles bumper are two totally different approaches. It is subjective. I happen to dig the Aedo one's more extreme look, that is all. From a build perspetive, I bet they both stand up to torture very well, I know mine has and Kyle's has. What I am glad for is that there is more out here now for everybody's tastes. If any Disco folks as me my opinion, that is the two I recommend.
Tom |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 05:30 pm: |
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oh the newbies... i like that word
it is cool when someone decides to distance himself from newbies and teach them a thing or two
peter |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 05:31 pm: |
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Matusov , I have seen your taste. You are expemt from further conversation. YOu would probably like a bed frame sticking out off the front of the Disco..
Kyle |
John Lee
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 05:32 pm: |
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Tom,
I think we can all agree that different people have different tastes. And beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. I dig my wannabe Camel Trophy front bumper and brushguard on my truck, but I know the vast majority of people hate it, and I can totally see why they would hate it. I think we can all agree though that the more choices there are out there, the better it will be for Land Rover owners. |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 05:33 pm: |
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pm,
You're right. That is a bad word, I fixed my message.
Kyle - LOL
Tom |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 05:34 pm: |
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what, you won't use futon legs for the brush bar?
same beef and cool look as LR brush bar, but cheaper by far!
peter |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 05:36 pm: |
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Cheap ? That shit had to come into your post eh ? Well , surplus Russian bed frames like the one on your jeep are cheap as well...
Kyle |
JEspelien (Superj)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 05:40 pm: |
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I like the bumper with the factory bar Kyle. I was wondering if you had pursued this project far enough to consider a FEA of the materials and fasteners. I carried one out on the A** for the Range Rover Classic for a friend of mine involved in a Lawsuit(long story). Interesting results that bumper is substantially stonger than its mountings. Seems obvious to me but lots of these people yammering about "stronger! Bomb proof!" are not considering the limitations of the factory frame and mounting points. IE you subject the hypothetical "bomb proof" bumper to a large shock load and it doesn't deflect to the point of plastic deformation but the frame does. Now instead of having a bent bumper you can take off and replace or beat straight(RON) you have a big problem. We could look at something similar on the recovery points once the safe working load of the mounts and frame are known it is fairly easy to design your points to progressively fail(deform)in a way that is safe and readily repairable. Sure beats the explosive failure when "bomb proof" becomes a bomb if you have ever experienced one of those. The FEA will also indicate what the optimum strength of materials should be for the various parts of the bumper. I am a licensed PE in the state of Minnesota so my stamp may or may not saisfy your liabilty insurer if you consider small scale production. However my calculations would provide a foundation for a PE in your state to put his stamp beside mine with minimal fuss. |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 05:41 pm: |
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i haven't thought of that one... though, Mr.Bush just signed (or about to) a bill with some steep import tariffs on steel. need to look if it includes recycled bed frames
besides, Pioneer Centres' pretty close... might as well get an LR brush guard for the same amount of money
John, i actually dig the CT wannabe brush bar. It would be a PITA to make it look native to a disco, though.
peter |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 05:43 pm: |
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And Peter , I forgot to mention that your "Strong as hell" bed frame is bent in on the drivers side a few inches.... oops...
http://www.t-r-j.com/Los-Coyotes/27Aug00/peter02.gif
Kyle |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 05:45 pm: |
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that's why i said it fits a disco's hood better than the jeep's
no, that wasn't me who bent it. i tried to straighten it up but couldn't
peter |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 05:48 pm: |
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JE , that has been weighing heavily on me for a while now. Having a background in heavy collision work I try to envision all of those things and walk the fine line. I will send you some mail....
Kyle |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 06:06 pm: |
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good god john lee... that tjm looks like an ARB afterbirth.. those hideous plastic molded holes, remind me of hip bones on a skeleton.
if you going to make it ugly, make it strong.
that's why I like the ARB, it's ugly.. but you can see the strength and that makes it very appealing, so when I look at it I don't see what others may see.
I gotta have the beefy bull bar for Armageddon evacuation. |
John Lee
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 06:26 pm: |
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Peter - here's the CT brushbar on the Disco:
http://www.mantec.co.uk/protect/lnudge.gif
That thing looks like a POS, but I love it. It's probably good for brush but not much more. But that Husky winch and Dixon-Bate tow jaws will certainly come in handy.
Rob - don't be putting down that Super Duty TJM. That's my favorite TJM front bumper. I think it puts the SG Super Duty bumper to shame. Those gaping holes in the blade are for the Armageddon recovery points on the front of the Super Duty. I think TJM knew they couldn't improve upon Ford's design on those rings. |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 06:39 pm: |
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John,
yes it does, and it can't be made any prettier. pure function. But i like it much better than LR's futon hardware.
Rob - what took you so long?
peter |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 07:03 pm: |
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i've been working all damn day, unlike you all !!!
rd |
JEspelien (Superj)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 07:04 pm: |
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See the strength??? What is this engineering using the force? Feel the stress analysis young skywalker! You must ignore the dark truths of material science and mathematical computation. Always look towards trial and error followed by meaningless uncontrolled field testing reported back only in abbreviated anecdotes.... |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 07:07 pm: |
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john, i admit that i haven't been scouring the web in search of the ultimate ford superduty bumpers like you have been doing for some reason never the less, i still think it's ass. i'd hate to see what bumpers you rejected in your search... hehe
rd |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 07:11 pm: |
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see the strength i say! don't mock me round eye...
rd |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 07:16 pm: |
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Superj,
there are people with Timoshenko and Goodyear's book on their shelves to deal with the stress analysis.
as you can see, all the discussion here is about aesthetics (hope i spelled it right), not some abstract concepts like Mohr's circle...
peter |
Curtis
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 07:29 pm: |
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I really don�t see the point in bashing peoples taste in bumpers. What I am after is function � plain & simple. The ARB is OK except where the fairlead is located. Same with Aedofab. In both of those designs the fairlead is what will contact terra firma first. You guys can sit around and bitch about brush bars all day long, but what I want is a winch that is going to work when I need it. It seems that the KVT special is the best answer to this.
Curtis |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 07:34 pm: |
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No Peter , its from me dealing with bashed up shit over the years and seeing what does what and what can take what. Some of us werent educated with books . And we are the ones that end up doing the job and changing the "Engineers" "plans" so that they actually work....
I think my experience far outweighs your "hands on experience" in this arena . I went over this once before but think about the force applied to a race car that can accelerate to over 140 in a 1/4 mile and then back to Zero quick enough so that it doesnt hit the embankment at the bottom end. Do you have any clue what kind of force is applied to those little tubes inside there and that Ford 9" housing that I welded together out of pieces ? Were not talking about a minor inconvienience here we are talking about someones life in the hands of my work. Dont preach to me about what works and what doesnt.
You dont even have a clue about that bar in the pic here. Was it sleeved ? What is the material of that light tube ? Do you have any idea how cut up that bar was to get on there? No , you dont...
Kyle |
John Lee
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 07:42 pm: |
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Rob,
Don't be telling me about Ford Super Duty. I am the Super Duty freakin master. The Super Duper Super Duty Arbiter of Elegance. And I say that TJM bumper rocks. |
p m
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you're gettin' all cranked up, Kyle, it's no good.
did I ever mention my "hands on experience" in any arena?
I wouldn't bother preaching to you on what works and what doesn't. i said LR brush bar is butt ugly, and you said (in response to some of Ron's posts) that with a proper care, a stock LR bar wouldn't bend. to which i may add that if a bar needs some "careful handling," it is not only ugly, but also non-functional.
now you start sneakin in some "hints" - like the bar was sleeved or some other magic done to it. you don't need to, 'cause i think it's butt ugly anyways, regardless how strong it is. and you don't need to defend something that isn't your product, 'cause i'm not bashing what you built.
The "I think my dick far outstretches yours" cracks me up.
peter |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 07:55 pm: |
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Peter , it cracks you up because you really dont have a fucking clue what will work and what wont. For starters , you think "Cheap" first and foremost. And hell , you havnt seen me "Cranked up" its just funny to me that people really think they know what serious force is. You have no idea what real force is and what to do to capture it. How about motor plates on race motors ? Its only held in with tubes about the size of the LRNA brush bar . My point Peter is that I get it done and that I care about what it looks like at the same time. A guy that thinks a front mounted bed frame is the cats meow and thinks that the LRNA bar is ugly is a pretty self explanitory guy...
Kyle |
JEspelien (Superj)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 07:56 pm: |
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Mohr's circles?? Is it back to the fifties day already and no one told me? I am going to have to go find my compass and dividers they must be with my t-square and slide rule. Gimme a break a second year mechanical engineering student with a rudimentary knowledge of FEA can finesse the mesh for a bumper from a CAD or PRO-E file. Its interpeting the results that requires both experience and intelligence. Next time you are around when some barn built halfassed engineered but aesthetically pleasing junk explodes just report back to us about the abstract nature of it all. Confucius say "abstract equals me no understand" FYI Stephen Timoshenko's work while elegant is like 30 years out of date and basically obsolete given modern computing power I suggest you try Mechanics of Materials by Riley and Computational Dynamics by Shabana. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 08:01 pm: |
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lol , I have some awards around here for heavy collision estimating. I also have some certifications for heavy collision and frame repair somewhere in some boxes . I have had work inspected by everyone under the sun including state police inspectors and NHRA and they didnt hand me any books.... I think I will get by with what I got.... Thanks anyway.....
Kyle |
JRoc
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 08:02 pm: |
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From where I stand it seems Disco owners have had a choice between functional and strong, or aesthetically pleasing. Kyle's bumper was, in my own fuc*ing opinion, the first attempt at combining the two! Is it perfection? NO! Is it the best thing we've gotten? Absofuc*inglutely!!! Has anyone forgotten about our choice of winches??? THEY SUCK!!! Kyle's design at least housed a real fuc*ing winch! I hope that this talk of Kyle giving up on this project is just a joke/marketing ploy. Is everyone on here this fuc*ing sensitive??? It seems as though they are! Kyle was critisized for being arrogant and hurtful, then his feelings were hurt and he decided he wasn't going to build bumpers anymore??? Tell me this is a joke! It's hard for me to tell.
I live in New York, outside of Manhattan, and when I go to the deli for lunch the first thing the guy says to me is, "What the fuc* do you want"? I see this guy all the time and that's just the way he is! Doesn't mean he doesn't like me. And if he didn't build a great fuc*ing sandwich nobody would be there!!! Ever heard of the soup nazi??? Point is it takes a lot to hurt our feeling here in N.Y., and it seems to me that everyone on this board needs to take a trip to the Big Fuc*ing Apple! Hey maybe not, I dunno. Anyway, don't be so fuc*ing sensitive!!! How many floral arrangers do we have on this board??? LOL And Kyle, your building me a Fuc*ing bumper whether you want to or not!!! LOL In closing I'll say this, nobody on this board knows me, yet, but this is all in jest. If I offended anyone, too fuc*ing bad!!! And Kyle, anyone gives you a hard time I know a good shoemaker/mason if you know what I mean! |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 08:05 pm: |
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mommy, what does fuc*ing mean? |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 08:08 pm: |
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LOL , the entertainment value here is high , very high.....
Kyle |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 08:09 pm: |
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See Kyle, you have confused JRoc with your new window addition. I told you.
Tom |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 08:16 pm: |
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Kyle, it cracks me up 'cause it's a pretty pompous statement, i thought you weren't much into that.
Besides, you've been telling me that I don't have a fucking clue just about anything for the last two years or so; do you think it would get me upset now? it wouldn't
The automotive examples of how great mechanical forces could be don't impress me, either, for I spend some time at sea every year.
SuperJ, i've seen a number of ME students who thought they were hot shit 'cause they could crank out a rat's ass on a CAD station in no time. The great city of Detroit is full of them. Every time they saw some obscenely large stress values, they would just make the grid coarser and walk home happy. I'm glad to be relatively far away from ME now.
peter |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 08:22 pm: |
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Yes Peter , its a statement that is needed with guys like you that need things right in their face. My point is , you dont know whats there. My other point is. I dont want you to.... As long as it works , it works.......
Kyle |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 08:26 pm: |
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LOL
10-4 on the other point, too
peter |
JEspelien (Superj)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 08:39 pm: |
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Sorry for the confusion Kyle I had not intended you as my target I was involved in a "see the strength" discussion with Peter. The only reason I even posted in this thread is because I like the bumper design and these clowns were climbing all over you about the strength issue with no data to back them up. It was never my intention to attack the quality of your work. Hell I can weld but I don't except in emergency situations because I realize other people can do it so much better. Two quotes come to mind: 1)from the Professional Engineers oath "I will never practice outside my area of expertise" and 2)from Dirty Harry "A man has got to know his limitations" Peace Brother |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 08:41 pm: |
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Well to be honest , that round was meant for Peter but I wasnt sure about you so I figured I would nick you with it at the same time to be safe....lol "Better safe then sorry"
Kyle |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 08:53 pm: |
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Joel, you live in san diego?
peter |
JEspelien (Superj)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 09:02 pm: |
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Peter, If you mean me my name is Jay my younger brother Joel lives in San Diego but how did you know that? |
GroovyDude
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 09:10 pm: |
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I`m starting to think PM is ANON as they both seem to talk out there 99 % of the time!!
P.S PM stop Trolling.
Quote of the day:
"I know i`m an asshole but whats your problem" |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 09:25 pm: |
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GoovyDude, if i were Anon, i would've told you that
Kyle - thank you very much
peter |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 09:32 pm: |
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PM,
Well like my quote says, I know i`m an asshole but whats your problem??? |
Wes Legaspi (Wes)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 09:43 pm: |
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To the new people...Kyle and Peter 'always' argue, look in the archives of the LR-Discovery e-groups...http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lr-discovery/ |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 09:57 pm: |
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Me and Peter argue ?? NEVER!!!
Kyle |
p m
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 09:59 pm: |
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ROTFL
man, i still have to get some work done here
peter |
Michael Villanueva (Michael)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 10:01 pm: |
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Well, here's another data point: My wife loves the bumper. When she saw the visual for the first time, the first words she said were:
"Give Kyle a big hug and kiss from me -- its beautiful!!!"
The image is too terrifying to contemplate.....
Still, it was quite encouraging to hear such praise. No other piece of equipement I have bought for the Disco elicited such a favorable response from her. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 10:03 pm: |
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Yeah , dont even think about it Poncho.....
Kyle |
Rich Lee
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 10:36 pm: |
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Kyle said:
"And now I will get a little more complicated. Stand in front of any ARB ,TJM , $G , RTE and take a look. Looking at them dead on from the front it might be all good . t might be very apealing to the eyes and it just MIGHT blend with the rovers front end. Now , start walking to the left or to the right all the way around to the side and take in the profile. You will quickly find in that short trip that the bumper that looked good from the front quickly vanished on you as you got around to the profile... "
I Absolutely agree here. The only other bumper that actually compliments the lines of the Disco is Scott's, but he needs to work on that center approach angle a little more. I like his weight figures as well (80 lbs).
With all respect to the other makes, looks count for something as well as durabality. That is why I have had the same wife for over 22 years she is tough and elegant.
Another thought is approach angle. If your bumper hangs out there more, then you are more likely to hit it on something, so it has to be beefier. Nearly all the makes with good approach angles have thin horizontal blades at the ends with that ugly "overbite".
http://www.safarigard.com/FB_DiscoIa.gif
http://www.rovertym.com/ourprod/bumper/new08.jpg
http://www.rovertym.com/bumperslim.htm
Obviously, you don't want the bumper to interfere with the approach angle in front of the tire, but I wonder how often that flat "roof" on the underside of these slim bumpers hangs up on rock ledges when backing down from failed climbs (e.g. Pritchett Cyn.). This is how I imagine several bumpers have been bent upwards (instead of backwards from hitting ledges on approach).
What about extending the blade downward more in front of the tires (at an angle that is steeper than the approach angle of a 3" lifted Disco with 32" tires)? This would create a "ramp" to slide off of ledges, rather than an "undercling roof" to hang up on ledges. It would be stronger in the vertical plane, could form a larger box section for storage of air/water/antifreeze/oil/90wt/astroglide/single-malt, AND would reduce that UGLY overbite.
I'll leave the thought and design of that to Kyle or Scott.
While we're on the subject, let's see some numbers from people on approach angles.
To measure this:
1. Park your unlaiden Disco on level pavement.
2. Lay a stiff sheet of 4'x8' plywood on the ground in front of your Disco (short side facing front-back).
3.Lift the plywood up so that it is touching the bumper, the tire and the pavement.
4.Measure this angle using a simple plastic protractor with the flat side against the plywood and a weighted string attached to the middle of the flat edge of the protractor. Record the angle (in degrees) that the string lines up with on the protractor.
5. SUBTRACT the reading you got from 90 degrees if you protractor reads 0 degrees at the lower end. OR, if your protractor reads 180 degrees at the lower end, subtract the reading first from 180 and then from 90 to get the actual approach angle.
Be sure to include whether you truck is a D1 or D2, the type of bumper you have, your tire size & diameter and the actual lift you have (measured from the fender lip to the center of the wheel, for comparison, look up: www.discoweb.org/lift.htm ).
You might also mention what actually limits the angle (i.e. winch fairlead/bumper/recovery loop/brushbar/skidplate)
Let's get these results posted in a new tech section, under "Approach/Departure Angles" and while you're at it, include measurements for your rear bumper.
Cheers,
Rich |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 11:02 pm: |
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Jeez, between the time I leave work and log in at night at home, you all went to town.... lol....
Mohr's circles as "abstract concepts"? Dang, I'm a geologist and I actually use them.... (well, I'm both a structural geologist, and an engineering geologist, but a geologist nonetheless, not a PE). LOL.....
John Lee,
I'll side w/ ya on the CT bar.... I like it MUCH better than the wrap-around. If they weren't so dadblamed expensive, I'd have one already... but, I'm still working on it..... 
-L |
Ricardo Palomino
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 11:34 pm: |
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The only question I have is about the recpvery points on the front of Kyles bumper. Were did you find them. I was thinking about doing something similar using 1" steel but the ones that you have look great and easier than making my own.
I like the look of Kyles bumper as well as others.
I have an ARB non-airbag and its worked for me, not to mention, I got it cheep from a friend.
The only thing that it lacks for me are recovery points.
Kyle, please email me with info on the ones you used.
Thanks
Rico |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 11:35 pm: |
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caos begins where mathematic's ends...
rd |
JEspelien (Superj)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 11:54 pm: |
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Actually it seems in this case "caos" starts where correct spelling ends - try chaos next time. Peter I am still interested in how you know or where you met my brother Joel. He has a Toyota Landie but I didn't think he was doing anything but mall crawling given his work schedule. |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 12:32 am: |
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why you all still talking about this stupid weak ass bumper? it's out the window! fuhgeeetaboutit.....
and JRoc, you seem to have difficulties with the usage of the word "FUCK"
please stop using the * in the middle of the word Fuck. it bothers the shit out of me. just say it like it is. it's ok, we all adults. we all fucking curse sometimes. so, let it out. like i was taught a while ago: say it loudly and proudly ... FUCK YOU!!!!
LOL
i didn't know there's still people out there that made those "special shoes" |
p m
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 12:55 am: |
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Jay, i have some friends who lived in MN in early 90s. So don't sweat it. I live in San Diego, too.
Rob - was there an attack on your spelling?
other than that, it is a very controlled and comfortable chaos within the mathematics' boundaries. I would feel very much at home there, were I more proficient in that subject...
peter |
JEspelien (Superj)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 01:50 am: |
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I was worried my brother might be shirking work to go four wheeling with the no account types who are into that sort of thing By the way we are currently looking for another Rangie SE prefer a clean, straight, high mileage, mechanically tired unit for another Caddy and driveline swap so he can get out of the Toyota and into something with more character(where is the thrill in KNOWING the electrical device is going to function before you push the button). |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 01:51 am: |
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Just thought I would express some comments in case I was being obtuse.
I do think that Kyle's design is great looking and judging from his posting history here, I expect it to be one of the toughest bumpers on the market. Overall, I wish him well in his endeavour selling his bumpers.
That said, I personally cannot see myself supporting that venture with a purchase because I find myself at odds with Mr. Kyle's methods. Rudeness and arrogance are just not personas that I want to support. The escapade with the Jeep website is a perfect example of this.
Kyle-
My apologies if I inferred that your design was ripped from RTE. That was not the intention. My statement merely was to say that your bumper shape reminded me of RTE's design.
Dean Brown-
Like I said, because I find conflict with supporting Mr. Kyle's activities, it is improbable that I will purchase one of his bumpers.
Axel-
You bring up a good point. And I am grateful to the resource that you, Kyle and Ho provide here. However, does the fact that the three of you provide such service to the community make any of you immune from criticism or debate? I have never seen yourself nor Ho act in the manner of Mr. Kyle, much to your credit.
JRoc-
While I agree with you that this bumper is not perfection, it seems like a great example. Adding to that, my disagreement with Mr. Kyle in no way infers that I don't want him to sell his product. I wish him well.
Neal Glessner-
Nice attitude.
Groovy Dude-
PM and Anonymous are not the same people. BTW, thanks for the animation and Fuck You Too. |
Richard Dekkard (Dekkard)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 03:23 am: |
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This thread has become truly moronic... =)
But what the hell, its all entertainment right?
Truth is, no one is going to agree.. its all just opinion, and depending on some of you (RON) your driving skills.
One thing I think we can ALL agree on.. Bumpers for our Discos our something we all care about, and there is a severe lack of choice with.
and that sucks... =(
Im ready to move onto a new topic... And no, i dont know whether I likt $G, RTE, or KVT better.. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 09:03 am: |
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Anon , I am about to be arrogant and rude again.... It seems you have an opinion, but lack the balls to attach your name to it. In case you havnt noticed , a spineless person here rates much lower then an arrogant one . Should we sign your name to the post ourselves ? I have also never atttempted to stop you from debating or dissagreeing or posting in general. The only thing that gets said is that you should grow some balls and use your name when you post.
As for buying bumpers , well , I thoought I made it clear in a previous post. I dont really care either way. Infact , I think your money would be better spent trying to find out what happened to your courage....
Kyle |
al hang
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 09:33 am: |
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LOL, pure entertainment... reading hasn't been this fun in a while. |
alhang
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 09:36 am: |
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John, i dig the tubes on the TJM but those bumperettes look too cartoonish for me. If I drive an earthmover vehicle I don't want to think for a second that I've accidently grabbed the steering wheel of a bumper car.
Rob, ARB afterbirth??? LOL, you been drinking those bongwater latte's again? |
Scott (Scott_Bowden)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 09:41 am: |
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Rich Lee,
Take another look at my bumper. The area that sticks out surrounds the fairlead. The actual mounting surface for the fairlead is about 1" in front of the grill. I relocated the transmission cooling line and have the winch tucked up as close to the a/c condenser and under the trans. cooler as I could. With the bevel/angle on the lower part of the bumper the only thing that stuck out was the lower front of the fairlead. That is one reason I put the recovery points down there (the other was so when I was working on the truck, I wouldn't hit my legs on the fairlead or recovery points). If I come to a rock surface they might help share the load instead of all of the force on the fairlead. With a dirt slope the fairlead and recovery points will cut through the dirt to the surface of the bumper.
Look at the frame horns on your truck. The bottom of my bumper is level with the frame and the front edge is about 5" in front of that. Once again, the lower front edge is about an 1"-1.5" forward of the grill.
First, approach angle was the major focus when designing my bumper, plus I didn't like the bucktooth rabbit look.
Second, a clean site line for watching the cable spool on the winch (I had an ARB airbag model and could not see the winch or cable).
Third, A look/style that I liked.
Could I do some thing different next time?
Sure.
Would I? Don't know yet. Once you get the front end over the obstacle then comes the middle and the rear (with the rear being a real limiting factor/challenge).
Glad you like it,
Scott
P.S. I am now working on the rear. |
Ricardo Palomino
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 09:56 am: |
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Kyle,
My tech question of the day is about the recovery points. Were can I find them. I'm not here to debate bumpers all day. I'm just trying to find a way to improve the one I have.
Please let me know were I can get them.
Thank You
Rico |
KJ
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:05 am: |
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This thread is pure DiscoWeb. We've got all the major food groups going! Now, this should be post #199, who's gonna take us to 200?
Karen |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:08 am: |
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i am not sure if they has been said and i am not about to read ALL the posts again, but were we not all bitching not long ago about having more options for our trucks? affordable, reasonable and well built options. isn't that what kyle is/has done?
sure everything can be improved. we can all bitch and moan here til i get laid (which may be a while), but just be happy others are out there making this stuff.
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niall forbes (Forbesn)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:15 am: |
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I will. Woohooo!!
I think it's funny that this has caused so much debate. Why people care what others have on their trucks is beyond me.
I haven't seen a single bumper posted that doesn't have good and bad points. Okay, some looked like maybe they only had bad points ;-)
Anyway, I hope Kyle doesn't sell this bumper (he hasn't posted a price or a confirmation on where to get them or how long). That way, maybe we will have even more people build or at least design their own. The more bumpers people make, the closer we'll get to perfection. Or that's my theory anyway. Might be crap.
Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:18 am: |
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Rico , you can find those points all over the net. Mine came from a guy in Oregon....
Kyle |
niall forbes (Forbesn)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:19 am: |
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Dammit gp, you beat me to #200. Also, I just remembered a DII near my house that is all tarted up. It has a (factory, I assume) A-frame type bar. Basically it's the same as the bush bar but without the "vinnie ears" as someone called them. It would still conform to the lines of the truck though. Don't know if it's strong or not (strong being a relative term). Anyway, just another log for the fire.
Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88 - The Red Zit |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:26 am: |
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oops... see the next one |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:27 am: |
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It may not have dawned on everyone yet, but we do, indeed, have a lot of choices for front bumpers now (in alphabetical order):
Aedofab
ARB
David Boyer
Greg Davis (I think he is selling his DII)
Kyle Van Tessel (provided he posts a damn price)
RoverTym
SafariGard
Scott Bowden (are you selling that bad boy?)
TerrainMaster
TJM
Trek Outfitters
ZBar (Same as David Boyer?)
And there are probably some others I am missing. Two years ago, there were much less choices. We've come a long way, baby.
Tom |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:28 am: |
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it was 11.30 and i already had my drink on for the evening.
pardon if i typed "caos"..
i can see it created a controlled and calulated disturbance, either way you think you know what i meant and thats called communication, so seems spelling is only relative. that being said you missinterpreted. i mean to spell it kaos
i guess i need to get smart
-roger waters |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:35 am: |
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Tom, at this point I have no intentions of selling my front bumper. I just don't have the time available for such a commitment. I will post some pics of it once it's finished. Don't think I'll get 200 posts out of it though. I'm even going to back away from rear bumpers for awhile once I get caught up. But I do appreciate the plug. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:37 am: |
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Greg , I am sure we can arrange 200 posts for your front bumper.
Kyle |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:46 am: |
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Tom,
You can add Mantec to your list, since they're the ones w/ the genuine CT stuff.
-L
(looking for a cheaper CT-esque bar... ) |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:58 am: |
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Gee, thanks Kyle. But I don't know if I want to be subjected to that much abuse! Hehe |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:33 am: |
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Leslie,
Is that a full bumper replacement?
Tom |
han chung
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:39 am: |
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how about this?...
ct brush on a d2... |
muskyman
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:43 am: |
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heres a link to very similar recovery points
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/reviews/griffinrecovery/
as far as this thread goes
guys ....buy it, bash it, break it then bitch
and I agree with tom look at all the options , other then jeeps what other truck has as many options as disco's for front bumpers?
you guys all sound like a bunch of stuck up snobs debating what wine goes best with a Gorgonzolla based white sauce!
and if I spelled anything wrong...fuck you dont read it!
and anon post your name you pussy or shut the fuck up!
muskyman...aka thom mathie |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:45 am: |
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Tom,
Mantec has the brushbar, as seen on the D2 in Han's pic above. Mantec also has a heavy-duty bumper, which incorporates the winch-mount. Together, you're looking at about $1400..... ouch!
I love the look of the CT bar, though....
-L |
muskyman
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:45 am: |
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wow I feel better allready |
han chung
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:47 am: |
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you sure can't move no bolders or knock down trees w/ this bed frame... but i love it.
besides, we should thread lightly off road. use your equipment for what they are designed for accordingly. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:50 am: |
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Han ,I wish I knew how to post those freakish little Icons , Ho ? Please give Han the hand for me.........
Kyle |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:53 am: |
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Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:55 am: |
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There ya have it , that CT bar looks like a bad accident from a quartering angle and from the profile....
Kyle |
han chung
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 12:00 pm: |
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love is blind... hehehe |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 12:13 pm: |
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LOL.
Ho ? Please give Han the hand for me.........
I agree with Han, though. Aside from looking quite rusty. I think that look is more Land Rover than any of the bumpers in my list.
Wait, maybe the rust is what does it.
Tom |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 12:16 pm: |
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I think they look good on the flat nosed Defenders but not on a Disco that had some angles to the front end . I have a very good idea that one can be made to look very "Land Rover" and stil compliment the lines of the truck...
Kyle |
han chung
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 12:35 pm: |
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food for thought...
han |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 12:37 pm: |
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http://www.camel-discovery.com/Dscf0013.jpg
I like it.
http://www.discoweb.org/monster/Photo1.jpg
I don't like it.
-L |
han chung
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 12:46 pm: |
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nice... ct disco that is. although my kids would love the other one.
actually never seen a ct disco that clean and shinny. that's a nice pic.
han |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 12:49 pm: |
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The guy's selling it for 13,000 UKP....
I really wish.....
-L |
chrisvonc
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 01:12 pm: |
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Didnt DAP sell a CT knock off brush bar at one point?
Chris von C |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 01:29 pm: |
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I've only seen Bearmach there. TRG has Bearmach stuff, though, so if I was going to get something Bearmach, I'd talk to David instead....
Kyle!
Empty your mailbox! Email to ya is bouncin', son!
-L |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 01:32 pm: |
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Nothing wrong with mail [email protected]
Kyle |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 01:41 pm: |
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Ah, I was referring to your hotmail one.....
I'll switch 'em in the addy book....
-L |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 02:01 pm: |
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Oh boy, Kyle has gone french on us.
Eh, Les' Kyles
Tom |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 02:24 pm: |
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By the way, I like the fairlead. What kind is it? Ramsey?
Tom |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 02:51 pm: |
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Yeah , the Ramsey and the superwinch fairleads are the best by far. That warn is beefy but sticks out like a frogs lip... I have ripped a warn off before....oops....
Kyle |
Chris von C
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 03:12 pm: |
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oops.. Bearmark them.
Chris |
Rick Lindgren
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 03:13 pm: |
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Since we are talking about all of our options, how many of these bumpers will accommodate a Superwinch Husky or similar winch? I hadn't heard mention of many that will, except the SG bumper, and figured I would ask this well rounded review board. It's good to see so much activity going on.
Rick |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 03:16 pm: |
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Mine will mount any of the winches currently on the market including the Husky and RE ramsey (Worms)
Kyle |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 03:17 pm: |
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Well, I know Aedofab will probably accomidate whatever you want. I am betting Kyle would, too.
Tom |
Neal Glessner (Nealg)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 09:07 pm: |
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Hey Anonymous, if you don't like my attitude, EAT SHIT! At least I have balls!
You better hope Kyle does not decide to reveal your identity or half this board would kick your ass if you ever showed up on the trails!(Personally, I wish Kyle would)
I quote you, "because I find conflict with supporting Mr. Kyle's activities..." If you really don't want to "support Kyles activities" GO AWAY! |
Michael Villanueva (Michael)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 09:25 pm: |
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The fairlead is a Ramsey. I had brought a Warn with me, but the Ramsey factory, when they boxed my unit, inadvertently stuck a Ramsey fairlead in it (Remanufactured units are sold without a fairlead). |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 09:55 am: |
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Just thought I'd ad this message so the post is back at the top. When I went to tech and didn't see it, I thought I was at the wrong site! Hehe. |
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