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alhang
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:37 am: | 
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thought this was an interesting site.
http://www.britrest.com/en.html
defenders solds as kits, 300tdi conversions new and used sold as kits. not sure about the business myself, but it does look interesting. |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:48 am: |
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I like the Biodiesel links there.....
-L |
al h.
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 12:46 pm: |
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yeah me too, with as much food as I like to eat I am sitting on a never ending fuel supply. |
Norm
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 03:23 am: |
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I think East Coast Rover sells the same thing installed for about the same price that this guy is selling the parts for -- $8500.00 -- but you have to get your rig up to Maine to have it done. |
al hang
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 09:10 am: |
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ECR's install costs a whole lot more. I think on one of their projects they hinted at the cost being around 17K.
Check out the discotech project during phase 2.
"If fuel mileage is your goal, think twice, you could buy about 17,000 gallons of gasoline for the cost of a Tdi conversion" |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 09:23 am: |
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25k+ at ECR estimate . 4x4 center (RN) 25k .RN was selling kits for around 9K+ but don't list them any more . |
AL
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 09:44 am: |
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Good point AL |
JB
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 09:44 am: |
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Yeah, the Environmental Pussy Agency disallows them from selling those conversions anymore. Anyway, it costs more than it's worth. And since Diesel fuel costs more per gallon than Premium gas here, what is everybody's thrill with putting a Diesel in their Discovery? Just like the British; I've never understood their affinity for Diesels, considering fuel oil is substantially more expensive per gallon than gasoline there. Most people already complain of "anemic" performance from their V8. Just wait 'till you drive a 300Tdi! And I'm sure everybody needs a Diesel for the once, maybe two times in the life of their vehicle that they'll drive through water deeper than the recommended 21 inches. But I guess they'll sure look (or should I say, smell) "authentic" and "capable" the other 80%-94% of the time they're driving on the road. |
al hang
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 10:42 am: |
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JB, personally I've always liked diesel engines. I think a slightly modified 300TDI could get about 25+ mpg, that would almost double my fuel range and give me more torque off idle. For me the benefits would be being able to go for long range travel and not worry about carrying tons of jerry cans. |
Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 10:56 am: |
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Not being a speed or acceleration freak, that aspect of a diesel doesn't worry me at all. The extended range due to economy is great. The low end torque is awesome. Diesel is more the regular here, but less then premium.
I wouldn't mind a diesel in my Disco and wouldn't mind a 2.5L diesel in my IIA.
I won't pay the $ for conversions, but I wish the options were open to us here in the US. |
cartner
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 11:06 am: |
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I find myself in water over 21 inches deep rather more frequently than is probably recomended...and I'd like to not carry extra cans around too....besides, a diesel will last damn near a million miles without a rebuild if its maintained regularly. |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 11:51 am: |
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not to mention can idle all day long and not even break a sweat and a lot less computer crap to mess up.. |
al hang
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 12:03 pm: |
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Eric, i think the 300tdi is still computer controlled. |
Dave M.
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 12:25 pm: |
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"Eric, i think the 300tdi is still computer controlled." -al hang
Not the way ECR installs it...
http://www.eastcoastrover.com/Tdiconversions.html
"Imagine a world where engine sensors, ignition amplifiers, spark plugs, computers and engine ECU's no longer play any part in your engine's performance. How may trips to your Land Rover dealer this year would that have eliminated for you?? The Tdi engines installed by ECR have no computers, no ECUs, no complicated wiring, and only simple sensors for items like temp. gauges and such. In fact the Tdi can be run by one wire in a worst case situation. The fuel cut off solenoid is the only vital system on the Tdi, and you could limp your Tdi Rover home with just one wire and a battery. The engine does not require an electric fuel pump, or any computers aids to run, and it has no electronic ignition. Once installed the Tdi can be serviced by any skilled diesel mechanic as its design is simple and it does not require a computer to find or repair troubles that it may have down the road." |
Norm
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 12:48 pm: |
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Ooops -- my mistake -- I must have been thinking of the 4.6 V8 install for $8500. Looks like the ECR Tdi project is a pain in the ass.
Of course, if Land Rover had offered this as an option on new vehicles in the US market it would have been a whole lot cheaper. But I don't expect much from the Land Rover "brain trust" -- from the looks of it they're going to further emasculate the Defender and RR in their next versions. Looks like under Ford, Land Rover will end up being an even paler immitation of its former self -- the ultimate poser mobile for the mall crawler set.
---Norm |
al hang
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:15 pm: |
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thanks dave, now i want to get that motor more than ever... |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:30 pm: |
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The Tdi300 isn't computer-controlled, but the Td5 is, FWIW....
IMHO, it'd be stupid to toss a perfectly good V8 to install a Tdi, but, if the V8 bites the bullet so that you're swapping engines anyway, then why not switch if you are so inclined?
YMMV....
-L |
Richard Dekkard (Dekkard)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 03:14 pm: |
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When / if my V8 kicks the bucket, I will probably throw a Diesel in there... Why not right? But I will most likely put in a new one that I ship over from the UK myself. MAke it a nice 2 or 3 month project.. |
Jon Williams (Jonw)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 04:00 pm: |
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Make sure you get the transmission to match it. The ECR DiscoTECH is pretty informative on that issue and most others involving a swap... |
Dave M.
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 05:00 pm: |
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Does anyone really think it's worth upwards of $15k installed though? That's a heap of dough. |
ZPukajlo
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 08:39 pm: |
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I don't think so, but someone else might. Except for the extended fuel range, why give up 70+ Hp? Here in CO the 4.0 is pretty much below adequate on the higher passes with steep grades. Can't imagine the diesel bettering it. Probably would be worse. For less money get the Pursuit 4.6 and smile! Just my opinion.
Zane |
Rich Lee
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 09:00 pm: |
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My Brother used to work for Robert Dills at The British Car Co. in northern CA. They are similar in clientele and products as East Coast Rover.
They should have a nice D110 with a 300 TDi motor for sale.
My brother drove one of their 300TDi vehicles with the Allard Intercooler and reprogramed injector control. He said it pulled the hills on 101 (particularly the long one west of Sasulito)just as strongly as a classic Range Rover with a new RPI 4.6 motor and chip. At altitude, I'm sure it would be even stronger.
The only question is cost. I don't know his prices, but they are sure to be close to ECR. As a physician, the price is way out of my league.I just can't keep up with the rich hippie "Trustafarians" of Marin County when it comes to toys.
One other source is Yeti Vehicle Conversions, owned by Clarke Williams up in Oregon. He uses GM diesels, which the Brits look down upon. For some info on his work, check out this link:
http://www.land-rover.team.net/pipermail/za-lro/Week-of-Mon-20010917/003657.html
Good Luck
Rich
PS. Anyone know the Lyrics to "Aint no UFO gonna outrun my diesel" ? |
andrew
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 10:11 pm: |
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Well im pulling out my 300 tdi out off the disco in the next few weeks as soon a the buyer gets the engine and auto checked out. The engine is just to slow 0-100ks in 19ses this may be fine in the country but for around town its a pain and the turbo lag is terrible. The engine is great of road but my friends V8 dose the same just in water he must take more care. Here diesel costs more than unleaded and with the engine on gas would be half the cost off diesel. I plan on putting in a second hand Holden 5L V8(295HP/440NM) with a turbo 400 auto. Diesels cost more here so the conconvertion will not see me out of pocket. The diesel and the V8 have there place but the diesel is not for me.
Andrew Australia |
mateu
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 11:26 pm: |
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Economically speaking, you just have to go with what's most available to your region. USA is gasoline, gasoline, gasoline. But if you live in certain parts of Europe, gasoline is scarce outside metro areas. It's all diesel in those areas and you'd pay about the equiv. of $80 for a fill-up. Gasoline, if you can find it, would be close to $100 a tank. Every mile you go is like the meter running in a taxi. Why bother with a conversion if you live in the US? If you live in the Mediterranean basin someplace however, you'd want the tdi. |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 08:43 am: |
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Dave M., I agree, I don't think it's worth paying to have it installed. But, if you have the motor and appropriate tranny on hand at a decent price, and the vehicle with a dead V8, and you do it yourself, then it just may, IF, IF!, you just want it badly enough.
-L |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 09:04 am: |
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LPG? |
alhang
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 09:44 am: |
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I've been really curious about the yeti conversions, not that I can really afford one, but I would like to see some pics. Does anyone know of a site? |
AL
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 10:14 am: |
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My dealer in the Midwest that declined my warranty is trying a TDI conversion for a customer on a Disco2. Ill keep u posted as they are trying to keep it hush hush. |
dodger
| | Posted on Monday, April 01, 2002 - 06:04 am: |
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**Anyway, it costs more than it's worth. And since Diesel fuel costs more per gallon than Premium gas here, what is everybody's thrill with putting a Diesel in their Discovery? Just like the British; I've never understood their affinity for Diesels, considering fuel oil is substantially more expensive per gallon than gasoline there.**
Diesel is slightly more expensive than unleaded petrol in the UK, but only the equivalent of 15 cents a gallon.
When fuel starts to cost you over $5 a gallon maybe you can understand the British publics need for economy and the love of diesels!!! |
tricky
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 12:33 am: |
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Liquid Petroleum Gas |
Chuck
| | Posted on Sunday, April 07, 2002 - 10:11 pm: |
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By the way, ECR only does the conversion on 97-older D1s and if you live in CA, pretty much forgetaboutit because of emissions!! FYI
Chuck |
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