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Joshua Weinstein (Untrakd)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 04:29 pm: | 
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I really want to get rid of the ABS system. I have been thinking about it and have been planning on this. Cut the sensor wires and leave the sensors in the axles, take out the pump and replace master cylinder with non-ABS one. I know there is a lot more technical stuff to consider and I am looking for someone that knows the details of doing this. Any thoughts are most appreciated! |
Milan
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 07:22 pm: |
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I think the master and pressure reducing valve are the same for both systems. Just remove pump and plumb the new lines. That's what I'm hoping for anyway as I'm gonna do this too.
I already posted on this topic a long time ago, so search th earchives. Hopefully it's still there. |
Norm
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 12:14 am: |
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The ABS on my '95 started acting up a few months ago -- going off at low speed for no reason at all and scaring the crap out of me in the process. According to the dealer's diagnostics the problem is bad left front and right rear sensors -- in other words they might well have just needed a cleaning. Of course, the dealer wanted $800 to replace them (the sensors alone cost a couple of hundred bucks each from Nathan Crabtree).
Anyway, until I got around to fixing it, I just removed the three ABS fuses and viola -- my brakes work as good or better than before -- no more problems with the ABS going off spontaneously or dirty underwear. I may never get around to "fixing" it!!! Now, if I can just get rid of that annoying "anti lock" warning light on the dash I'll be all set.
---Norm |
Scott Hayes (Scott_H)
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 02:37 am: |
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Norm
I did the same thing...pull the bulb in the dash..it's simple 
Best of luck |
Ken
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 04:53 am: |
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Simple fix ...pull the plug by the abs pump in the engine compartment,and the brakes work fine. I've done it and have had no problems.
Ken |
Kingfish (Kingfish)
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 07:55 am: |
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All you have to do is remove one sensor. That will cause your ABS light to activate (meaning that the ABS is disabled) then all you have to do is remove the bulb. Voila! No more ABS. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 02:42 pm: |
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Just curious if anyone else has had any hair raising ABS stories , seems like quite the cause for concern if your ABS are going to lock up at hi-way speeds ? has this problem ever been a recall issue. |
Moe (Moe)
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 03:05 pm: |
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Just a few days ago my ABS system kicked in and helped prevent an accident after a foolish women in a minivan pulled out in front of me, failing to give way to a priority road. When the van first pulled out in front, I hit the brakes hard and judged that I would clean her up unless something changed quickly--she had actually paused momentarily in the middle of the intersection to check for traffic coming the other way. Fortunately she turned my way, her eyes widened as she floored it, and I swerved through the heavy braking with the ABS pumping away. I missed her by less than 1/2 foot. A non ABS system would have required a different, more unfortunate, strategy.
The ABS system serves a purpose on road. I can understand rigging a switch so it can be turned off but I wouldn't gut the system unless you are looking at 36" boggers like Wild Weinstein here. |
David Dryden (David914)
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 03:21 pm: |
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OK, here's a solution for you all. Get a double pole, double throw (DPDT) switch. Take one side and use it to break power to the ABS system (you could go through the fuse tap). Use the other side of the switch to break power to the ABS dash light. Real easy to do. You may want to hide the switch somewhere that is not out in the open, as if your vehicle is equipped with ABS it needs to be functioning to pass your state inspection. |
Norm
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 07:40 pm: |
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"Just a few days ago my ABS system kicked in and helped prevent an accident after a foolish women in a minivan pulled out in front of me, "
Damn, I'm surprised you didn't roll it and kill yourself and everybody inside your truck.
People who pull out in traffic like that are a danger to themselves and others.
In those situations, I figure the safest thing (for me anyway) is to lean on the horn (I have one of those 190 dB truck horns with an air compressor) floor it and aim your rig straight at the driver's door of the minivan (if there's enough time, I'll drop it down a gear to get more torque). That way, you either get the bitch's attention pronto and scare her out of the way, or, if you make contact, you'll have enough velocity to go right on through relatively unscathed (it helps if you have a heavy-duty cattle catcher up front).
Either way, the offending minivan person will have learned an important rule of traffic etiquette she won't soon forget!!!
---Norm |
JMcD
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 07:51 pm: |
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Whoa, thats kinda brutal there Norm! Maybe she just didn't see him, or made a mistake. That happens to the best of us ya know.
I see your point 100% but not everyone is as focused on driving as they should be, maybe it's your wife or my Mom or whatever. I know it sucks but I'll tell you how I look at it, Like it or not it is up to those of us who know how to drive to look out for those who don't. Being right doesn't make you feel that much better when you are pulling a corpse out of a wrecked car. I know, but wish I didn't. Just something to think about.
PS. I hate every ABS that I have ever met. I believe an experienced driver is better able to stop/slow a vehicle than ANY computer program ever invented. Pull the fuse JMcD |
Moe (Moe)
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 09:01 pm: |
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Yes Norm, that is brutal. I just couldn't deal with the bloody aftermath, let alone the insurance hassles.
"I believe an experienced driver is better able to stop/slow a vehicle than ANY computer program ever invented"
Under test or controlled situations that might be true, but on 'average' I wonder if the computerized system would win out. I mean some of us are sipping lattes, adjusting the stereo, or talking to the passenger while trying to brake in emergencies. It's hard to find the sweet spot in the brakes in those situations |
Norm
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 01:16 am: |
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Okay, so I may have been exagerating (a little). But a CHP officer once told me (off the record) that part of their driver training is that if they get into a situation where they're going into an unavoidablbe high speed crash with another vehicle of similar size (or smaller), they're trained to hit the gas -- reason being that the vehicle with the most momentum usually fares the best in a collision, even head on. It's a question of survival.
I've seen too many pictures on these boards of Discoveries that have rolled (no doubt in many cases to avoid a collision with some idiot who pulled out in front of them) -- and it ain't pretty. Discoveries do not handle or stop like Porsches -- with their size and weight, they have a tendancy to roll under extreme handling. Personally, in a crash I would rather have that 4500+ lbs. on a heavy duty 14 guage steel ladder chassis working for me.
---Norm |
Carl Nichols
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 02:28 am: |
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Norm,
I'm gonna go ahead and call BS on the vehicle with the most momemtum fares best statement. Comments like can get people who are as naive as you are into a world of trouble. Happy and safe motoring to all (even you Norm)!
Carl Nichols |
Ron
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 02:37 am: |
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ditto BS
physics says so.
PS 14 gauge steel is not that thick. Now the 5mm steel on my frame |
Scott Hayes (Scott_H)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 03:32 am: |
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going back to the abs...i would love to keep it..but the damn thing is so tragically unreliable and expensive to maintain im not goin to keep puttin sensor in every 6 months. I gutted mine because it was kicking on at random times, under very little load when breaking. i have a 95 disco and i almost got into several crashes because of this. to each his own, and if it works keep it. But when it goes, it gets really crazy and dangerous, IMHO. |
dave t (Geekforhire)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 05:08 am: |
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Scott, I had the same problems with my ABS, it would fail and 'freak out' causing the Disco to pull hard to one side or not slow well enough. No thanks. I have had it off for two years and dont plan on hooking it back up. |
Milan
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 09:06 am: |
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Mine got turned off the first day on icy roads. Pulled the plug on the ABS module and I live with the light on the dash. I will remove the module completely once I get around to it. |
JMcD
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 09:41 am: |
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I have a theory, based on no scientific data except the seat of my pants, that on snow/slush/mud ABS actually inhibits braking effectiveness. Heres how, when you are on a snow covered road for example, and need to stop, I believe that locking the wheels helps by pushing a pile of snow/slush in front of the wheels and by enabling the wheels to force thru the gunk to the pavement below. I know it sound fishy, but where I live we get snow up the ass and even my '86 chevy has better braking than either my 96 disco or my Durango.
Pull the fuse and it feels much better. Ice is a different story, On ice I believe ABS helps quite a bit. I still maintain that an EXPERIENCED driver can brake better than ABS. How many Nascar/Cart/IRL/F-1/Superbike/GP bike/etc use ABS? None that I know of. If ABS worked better than the drivers foot they would.
As far as the "if they get into a situation where they're going into an unavoidablbe high speed crash with another vehicle of similar size (or smaller), they're trained to hit the gas -- reason being that the vehicle with the most momentum usually fares the best in a collision, even head on. It's a question of survival."
I think the cop was pulling your leg, cops love to do that shit. It's like sport to those guys.
JMcD |
Brad Bradford (Brad)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 11:38 am: |
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Ok, I found the two Fuses under the dash. Where is the third one? Maybe I just missed it. And by the way I too have almost been in a major wreck. If I hadn't thought to pull the E-Brake, i would have been up a Z3's ass. |
Scott (Scott_Bowden)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 06:31 pm: |
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Loose wheel bearings can cause the sensor to be knocked or damaged. Try pushing the sensor back into its seat. It might work.
Personally, I like the ABS. |
Ron
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 07:05 pm: |
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"If I hadn't thought to pull the E-Brake"
I drive with my hand on the E-brake in any rover I am in.
Ron |
Norm
| | Posted on Sunday, March 31, 2002 - 03:47 am: |
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Carl,
To test the "BS" theory of relative momentum, sometime we'll have to arrange a demolition derby: The ones who favor inertia will sit parked in their Daihatsu Charades while the proponents of momentum broadside them with Chevy Suburbans at 35 mph. For safety, both types of vehicles will be equipped with air bags. Wonder who will fare better? Maybe we could calculate how much energy from the Suburban is absorbed by the twisted metal of the Daihatsu and vice versa.
As for taking "evasive maneuvers" in a Disco, check out "My Disco II Totalled" in the classifieds for sale. There are some pics on the string of a '97 Disco that rolled at 55 mph after taking evasive action -- it ain't pretty. These people were extremely lucky to walk away -- a little faster or contact with an immovable object (like a bridge abutment) and they might not have been so lucky.
Assuming (as we all seem to) that the Discovery is a well-built and relatively heavy vehicle for its size (but is prone to roll), given the above scenario of the idiot in the minivan blithely pulling in front of a Disco, I think I'd trust my air bags and heavy body and chassis (and the fact they they were designed to withstand frontal crashes), and go ahead and ride out the collison rather than risk rolling my rig and bringing all 4500 lbs. of my Discovery at so many foot tons per second crashing square against my roof -- just to test its structural integrity. I might stand on the brakes, but I'm not going to flip my rig and endanger myself and my family because some fool can't drive safely.
Of course, not all situations are the same and it requires split-second decisions. For example, I would probably try to take evasive action in a head on collision with a gasoline tanker, a freight train or a telephone pole -- purposely "riding out" a collision in those situations would not be advisable!!!
Now, if you have a problem with the California Highway Patrol training their officers in some instances to accelerate into unavoidable collisions you should write them a letter about how it violates the laws of physics, is politically incorrect, etc., etc.
---Norm |
Russell Smith (Rusty)
| | Posted on Sunday, March 31, 2002 - 04:28 am: |
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Things must happen a lot slower in the good old US of A. On the few occasions I have been involved in collisions I don't remember having much choice in the matter. Certainly not enough time to lift my foot off the brake and accelerate!!
I think it is a fairly natural reaction to brake in the face of impending doom and if ABS gives me more control, in the majority of cases, while I am doing so, I'm all for it.
Russell |
Jake Hartley (Jake)
| | Posted on Monday, April 01, 2002 - 08:47 am: |
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Norm is on to something...I am a graduate of an anti-terrorist driving school given by DOD. If collision is inevitable, the axiom is speed up and aim for a fulcrum point. Of course this is an extereme last ditch manuver. It will not work against an 18 wheeler if you are in a car or truck. The point is to use physics to your advantage. Also, a car accelerating (moderately) is more controlable than one that is braking. Look at pictures of cars doing heavy braking and notice then suspension compression. |
Paul L
| | Posted on Monday, April 01, 2002 - 09:56 am: |
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Brad...maybe the last fuse is in the fusebox under the hood..... |
Norm
| | Posted on Monday, April 01, 2002 - 01:54 pm: |
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"Norm is on to something...I am a graduate of an anti-terrorist driving school given by DOD. If collision is inevitable, the axiom is speed up and aim for a fulcrum point..."
Thank you, Jake. There now. So, you naysayers are all WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!
Ron: "I drive with my hand on the E-brake in any rover I am in."
Damn, Ron, are you also one of those people who drive with one foot on the brake and the other on the accelerator? That's going to make it awfully hard to talk on the cell phone, drink coffee, adjust the stereo and shift an R-380 at the same time. I hope you have your pants unzipped so you can steer, although that's going to be tough to explain to the cop when you get pulled over for weaving: "I had my pants unzipped because I always drive with my hand on my E-brake lever." A likely story. I bet you keep a jar of Astro Glide in the console at all times!!!
Boy, I hope we never cross paths on the highway.
---Norm |
p m
| | Posted on Monday, April 01, 2002 - 03:17 pm: |
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PS. I hate every ABS that I have ever met. I believe an experienced driver is better able to
stop/slow a vehicle than ANY computer program ever invented. Pull the fuse JMcD
Amen to that
peter |
Matt Milbrandt (95discovery)
| | Posted on Monday, April 01, 2002 - 07:17 pm: |
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FWIW, I remember seeing a show on TV a few years ago with Emerson Fittipaldi at some no name race track. There were calculating the "perfect" line around the course that would yield the absolute best time according to the computer. They also had Emmo do a braking test against the computer in a car with ABS, and in the same car with the ABS disconnected. He outperformed the computer's "perfect" time in every section of the course and in overall time and speed. The only place he couldn't beat the computer, after many tries, was at the braking test.
Now with that being said, I also hate the ABS in my Disco and think it definitely lengthens stopping distance especially in unfavorable conditions.
Matt |
Milan
| | Posted on Monday, April 01, 2002 - 08:58 pm: |
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LOL...this topic always brings out the same arguments...
I bet the ABS used for that test was way better than what we have on a Disco. And even if I knew the computer would beat me, I would not want it.
Might as well hop on a computer controlled train and enjoy the ride. Then you can have a latee, a sandwich, a glass of wine, beer, more beer, whatever. And you know you have a heavy car that won't make you worry about impact with a semi.
When I drive, I drive not only to get from point A to point B but to enjoy the activity of driving - feeling in control of something in my life (even if it's not true). When I want to eat or drink I'll stop to do so. That way I can enjoy my snack and I can enjoy that activity more fully. Not eating/drinking while driving also makes me concentrate on driving more - which I believe is what I should be doing when driving.
Can you tell I hate people using cell phones while driving?
I don't think, but know that ABS lengthens my stopping distance in the Disco.
I also use one foot for the brake and one for the gas. Does that make me a bad driver?
LOL |
Matt Milbrandt (95discovery)
| | Posted on Monday, April 01, 2002 - 09:44 pm: |
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Well, my Disco must have ears because about 10 minutes after writing that post insulting the ABS, I went for a drive and the Anti Lock light stayed on. Ohh well...no big deal I guess, since the parts are so expensive, I will probably end up just getting rid of the whole system modulator and all if it's not an easy fix.
Matt |
p m
| | Posted on Monday, April 01, 2002 - 10:07 pm: |
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Matt,
we just came back from a 950 mi trip, and me, my wife, and my son were happy when ABS light stayed on. That meant there would be no funky ABS action on dry pavement, just smooth and predictable braking. It was too funny to hear my wife saying "are you too lazy to pull the fuse again?"
I guess i am all too happy with dashboard illumination - now there are ABS, SEL, and CEL all shiny...
peter |
Ron
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 12:38 am: |
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Norm,
Call it paranoia, but I drive with my left hand a 12 oclock and my right on the ebrake (not engaged of course).
"That's going to make it awfully hard to talk on the cell phone, drink coffee, adjust the stereo and shift an R-380 at the same time"
Don't drink coffee, or own a cell phone, rarely listen to the radio (only alyssa's truck even has a radio). As far as shifting, I only take my hand off the ebrake to shift.
Ron
PS you are still wrong on the floor it thing.
Think about it. You are going 35mph and about to hit a car going across the highway perpendictular to you. Do you step on ythe brake and hit it at 20mph or do you floor it and hit is at 45 (ok wait this is a disco, 37)?
You are better hitting it at 20 |
JMcD
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 06:03 am: |
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Yeah, Think about it, if you have time to accelerate to any increase in speed you ceratinly have time for an evasive manuveur, or at least time to put on the brakes. Also, nothing against the anti-terrorism school jake went to, but it was given by the DOD(department of Defense) That alone tells you something.
JMcD |
Jake Hartley (Jake)
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 08:50 am: |
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JMcD:
No offense taken, but there is not always time for an evasisve manuver. Road conditions and obstacles sometime limit your choices. By the way the fact that DOD gave the course is the reason I have some faith in it. After 20 years in the military, I have come to trust the boys in the green suits. We deal with situations that involve life and death and tend to look at things in a more realistic eye. I thought that perhaps since we are in the situation we are in in this world, we would not have DOD/military bashing anymore. Remember, the guys coming into Andrews AFB in the aluminum boxes died doing their job, so you would not have to and so that you can live free. |
Raymond L. Brown (Sbbceo)
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 05:03 pm: |
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Does anyone know how to get the bulb out in the dash for the Anti-Lock brake? I pulled all 3 fuses and now I want to get that light off.
Any help would be appreciated big time.
Raymond Brown
97/95 Discovery |
Raymond L. Brown (Sbbceo)
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 05:30 pm: |
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Where is the ABS pump in the engine compartment? I want to pull it and all 3 fuses and also does anyone know how to get the Anti-lock bulb out of the dash. I'm a newbie to this so I need simple instructions.
Thanks
Raymond
97 Discovery |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 05:50 pm: |
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In the 50's and 60's did they make the same arugments about power steering and power assist brakes??
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JMcD
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 06:34 pm: |
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Yes Jake, I see your point and agree, there is rarely time to take evasive action, however it only takes 1 or 2 seconds to steer left, but how much can you accelerate in 2 seconds? Probably not that much. The best I believe a person can hope for if a crash is inevitable is to choose an impact point away from the passenger compartment. Something I have done twice. But to increase speed in order to decrease your chance of injury may be sound physics, but in the real world it seems pretty impractical. But thats just my opinion.
Nothing personal on the DOD crack. I spent a little time in OD green myself. 7th group SF/1st 505,82nd Airborne Recon
My respect to you as a 20 year man. JMcD |
Milan
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 08:54 pm: |
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Raymond,
The pump is located on the driver side fender. You should be able to locate the all-metal square bklock with brake lines running to and from it. That's the module. A cylindrical motor-like protrusion is the pump.
In any case, I'd leave this alone. You did not have to pull all the fuses. I still don't know why people bother doing that. All you have to do to disable ABS is pull the multi-wire plug from the ABS module. Done. Leave the fuses alone.
Once you're ready to pull the module, you'll need brake line running from the master to the pressure reducing valve directly and you will have to replace one of the plugs on that valve with a line that runs to one of the brakes. Other lines will also have to be re-routed. So, unless you know how already, I'd leave it alone for now and just unplug the module. That way it's easy to connect back up in one location only and you have no lost fuses to search for.
Somebody else can help you with the bulb in the dash, I'm sure.
I just left mine on and am ignoring it. |
Norm
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 12:13 am: |
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Ron: "Call it paranoia, but I drive with my left hand a 12 oclock and my right on the ebrake (not engaged of course)."
Norm:"That's going to make it awfully hard to talk on the cell phone, drink coffee, adjust the stereo and shift an R-380 at the same time"
Ron: "Don't drink coffee, or own a cell phone, rarely listen to the radio (only alyssa's truck even has a radio). As far as shifting, I only take my hand off the ebrake to shift."
So, in other words, your only vice behind the wheel is yankin' your "ebrake lever"? Kinky!!!
One observation: since the ebrake is located on the rear prop shaft and not at the wheels, according to my 1995 Discovery Owner's Manual, and I quote:
"WARNING -- DO NOT apply the handbrake while the vehicle is in motion as this could result in loss of vehicle control and damage to the transmission."
So, assuming you have the same ebrake as I do, the questions is, what is the safety benefit of driving around with one hand on the ebrake lever if all it's going to do in an emergency is make you lose even more control of your truck and simultaneously destroy your tranny? (No wonder you're having so much trouble with the R380!!!) Wouldn't it be better to keep both hands on the wheel during "evasive maneuvers" (if they're practicable) and retain some braking from the transmission? Or is Land Rover leading us all astray with this dire warning?
Ron: "PS you are still wrong on the floor it thing.
Think about it. You are going 35mph and about to hit a car going across the highway perpendictular to you. Do you step on ythe brake and hit it at 20mph or do you floor it and hit is at 45 (ok wait this is a disco, 37)?
You are better hitting it at 20"
Sure, you're better hitting it a 20, but you might not have that choice, especially at expressway or highway speeds. Let me say, that I would never purposely floor my truck if somebody just pulled out in front of me and I knew I had time to stop -- unless they were in a smaller vehicle with a sub woofer turned up to the point that it was rattling the fillings out of my teeth -- then I would be compelled to jump on the gas and squash them like a bug.
I agree -- you're better off t-boning somebody at as low a speed as possible. Since I have a lot invested in my passengers, myself and my truck, my first reaction would be to slam on the brakes (abs or not) and try to avoid a collision if at all possible with the brakes. However, for obvious reasons, I would try not to take extreme evasive maneuvers unless I was broadsiding a semi or a dump truck (most people killed or injured in SUV crashes are involved in roll overs -- but even a 4500 lb. Disco is no match for a big truck). But the split second I realized that despite all my braking, I was going to hit anyway, I'd try to aim for the center of the other vehicle and try to take my foot off the brake and (if at all possible) hit the accelerator. Reason being that when you brake hard, as we all know, your front end takes a nosedive and the rear raises up (obviously, the opposite happens on acceleration). I don't want to impact with front end loaded up and my wheels locked up, pull a "stoppie" and have my rear end flip ass over tea kettles and end up with a hammer and anvil effect with me sandwiched in between that 4500 lb. truck body and Mother Earth. I think I'd rather bring my nose up with the wheels rolling and expend as much of my remaining energy as possible into the other vehicle. At the point of impact, what little acceleration I get out of the Disco would be inconsequential -- the main thing would be to bring the nose up as much as possible and keep the wheels rolling -- just taking your foot off the brake would help a lot.
Of course, all this is supposition -- there are a million variables and no situation is cut and dried and who knows if your reactions will be up to the task at the moment of truth in any particular situation. Split second decisions can have enormous consequences both good and bad. The important thing is to try to drive defensively and not let distractions and emotions get the better of you -- not to mention your beverage of choice. (If you have a predeliction to and/or a fear of road rage, you can always carry a .45 in your glove box as a security blanket.)
However, I think it would be wise to consider the strengths and limitations of the Disco in a crash situation beforehand -- we have a vehicle that is top heavy and prone to rollovers in extreme maneuvers, especially with lifts and "off road" tires installed -- but it is a well-built and very heavy vehicle for it's size (equipped with air bags) which is a big plus in a collision with another vehicle.
---Norm |
Ron
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 02:38 am: |
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My theory has always been that whatever alyssa or ie hits is going underneeth us care of the ramp like effect of ye old SG bumper skid plate. I can't think that the couple of inches of nose dive (at most with OME HDs) is going to make any difference.
I see a lot of wrecked discos go and I can tell you that even in a roll you are most likely going to be fine IF you have your belt on. If you do not, make sure to keep your sunroof closed.
Ron |
Raymond L. Brown (Sbbceo)
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 08:17 am: |
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Milan,
Can you describe where the multi-wire plug for the ABS Module is so that I can pull that this weekend?
You also said I don't need to pull the 3 fuses? |
Milan
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 09:29 am: |
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Raymond,
The plug is right on the module body, facing the engine if I remember correctly. I did not pull any fuses. But since you already pulled yours it does not really matter. Either way works, I just feel that pulling one connector is much simpler than pulling 3 fuses. |
Raymond L. Brown (Sbbceo)
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 12:32 pm: |
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Milan
Now if I can just get the Anti-lock bulb out I'll be set. That light drives me nuts. If anyone lives in Montgomery County Maryland or anywhere near that would be willing to help me out one day I would be glad to meet up with them.
Raymond |
johnvigg
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 01:28 pm: |
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This was probably the best thread i've ever read
and im glad to hear so many others have the ABS problem too. My 95 disco acts up all the time, the ABS light comes on almost every time i start the truck, till i get rolling, this was explained on the e-mail message board as "its suposed to until you it 5mph" but i still dont care, im pullinghte ABS tonight.
At any amount of breaking pressure , if the truck hits a bump, the ABS kicks in. This is a mojor pain in the ass on NJ's pothole and traffic ridden streets.
My answer, kill the ABS buy and ARB |
p m
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 01:52 pm: |
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John,
my disco does the same shit. everybody hates it. I will make another honest attempt to fix it, but if (as before) the bug comes up again in two weeks, I am done with ABS.
speaking of killing the ABS and buying the ARB, i would think of a ARB bumper Kyle's better, but it will ride over the roof of most boombox civics around here
peter |
Norm
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 02:03 pm: |
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Ron: "My theory has always been that whatever alyssa or ie hits is going underneeth us care of the ramp like effect of ye old SG bumper skid plate. I can't think that the couple of inches of nose dive (at most with OME HDs) is going to make any difference."
Damn -- that's murder!!! (I need to get one of those SG bumper skid plates. Do you have to go through a background check and waiting period before you buy one?)
Now, why is it that you drive with your hand on the ebrake?
Ron: "I see a lot of wrecked discos go and I can tell you that even in a roll you are most likely going to be fine IF you have your belt on. If you do not, make sure to keep your sunroof closed."
You may be right about that (certainly about the seat belt) -- as long as you don't roll into an immovable object such as a tree, telephone pole or bridge abutment. Personally, I think I'd rather maintain what little control I have over my truck by riding out the collision with the offending vehicle rather than take a chance wrapping myself around a bridge abutment upside down or sideways.
The thing that REALLY bothers me is that it takes so damn long to close those dual sunroofs in the middle of a high-speed end over end roll, especially when you don't have your seat belt fastened and you're yanking with everyting you've got on the ebrake lever. Somebody ought to figure out a way to speed up those gosh darn sunroof motors!!!
---Norm |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 06:07 pm: |
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PS. I hate every ABS that I have ever met. I believe an experienced driver is better able to
stop/slow a vehicle than ANY computer program ever invented. Pull the fuse JMcD
Amen to that |
Jason
| | Posted on Friday, April 05, 2002 - 04:44 pm: |
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Can someone address how to get the ABS light off....I appreciate all the info.
Jason |
p m
| | Posted on Friday, April 05, 2002 - 05:21 pm: |
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Jason,
1/2" x 1/2" piece of black vinyl electrical tape will work.
peter |
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